omega flowey is stronger than chara?

[Ricsi-viragosi]

how does that work?

he claimed it, yes. but he believed frisk is char. more so, flowey has never seen chara at full power.


claiming that flowey has six souls is also wrong as chara is able to destroy the savefiles whitout frisks soul and has frisks soul added on top of that

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

also, shouldent chara have resurrection as they have everything frisk has... no?

 

[Noahkaismith]

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[Ricsi-viragosi]

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it says that he has no reason to die, but he has no way of knowing charas full power.

he was calling frisk chara and should have refered to them, as frisk alone is stronger than base flowey

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

and the ressurection

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

In the genocide route, Flowey is very explicitly talking directly to Chara instead of just calling Frisk 'Chara'. He even directly references Chara's "stolen human SOUL", referring to Frisk's SOUL.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

In the genocide route, Flowey is very explicitly talking directly to Chara instead of just calling Frisk 'Chara'. He even directly references Chara's "stolen human SOUL", referring to Frisk's SOUL.

but he still didnt know what chara can do and chara hadent stolen the soul at that point, making that wrong

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Chara didn't own the Player's SOUL, at that point. They still had begun hijacking Frisk's. Plus, as has been mentioned before, Flowey's opinion on this never changes at any point. He never makes any sort of comment on how much stronger Chara is getting. He's well aware of what SOULs can do, and only becomes worried when he realizes Chara's going to turn on him.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

they didnt hijack anything, that only started around the capital.


and chara is stronger then frisk at theyre peak. chara was multiversal whitout a soul, flowey has no way of predicting that chara would become an embodyment


even then, flowey was wrong whit chara having already stolen it, and hasent shown anything that would say he caan know charar at full power

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

It starts way earlier. You get inner dialogue from them in Snowdin, and they very clearly take control away from you for a few seconds during the last encounter with Papyrus.

Chara's power came from two things; hijacking Frisk alongside the Player, and feeding on the Player's own DETERMINATION.

Flowey is aware of both of these things, as well as fully aware the Player exists, and one of the only beings in the game who can interact with them directly.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

but he still has no way of knowing full power charas power and was wrong when h e said chara had your soul

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

"stolen human SOUL" refers to Frisk's, not the Player's. The Player is not "human" within the verse.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

"stolen human SOUL" refers to Frisk's, not the Player's. The Player is not "human" within the verse.

but it wasent stole and is still wrong

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

If you are in control of someone's body and SOUL, a body and SOUL which aren't originally yours, and which you took without their consent, that is 100% "stolen".

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

If you are in control of someone's body and SOUL, a body and SOUL which aren't originally yours, and which you took without their consent, that is 100% "stolen".

and when flowey made the claim chara had no controll over it, the most they did was give some cooment like "determination"

 

[Hizack123]

Soooo from what i seeing here is Azathoth pretty right about everything.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Soooo from what i seeing here is Azathoth pretty right about everything.

he didnt really answer my question, flowey hasent shown any way to know how strong chara is, and sayinf he knows how strong a human soul is is wrong, as he was surprised in pacifist rout, and chara doesent even use human soul to destroy the game.

and flowey was wrong, as he said chara stole frisk soul when they didnt, as frisk had to give it to them at the end of geno run

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

I have a way other than Flowey confirming it on his own.

In a No Mercy run, Frisk fights and beats Undyne the Undying, who is physically superior to Chara, just like Chara did herself in Genocide.

After getting much stronger, Frisk elevated herself to an even higher power than when she fought Undyne the Undying... and promptly did 1 damage to Photoshop Flowey in a 6000 HP health pool.

Photoshop Flowey also mentioned he could kill such a Frisk "1,000,000 times".

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

And Flowey was referring to the possession, not a literal term.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

After getting much stronger, Frisk elevated herself to an even higher power than when she fought Undyne the Undying... and promptly did 1 damage to Photoshop Flowey in a 6000 HP health pool.
Photoshop Flowey also mentioned he could kill such a Frisk "1,000,000 times".

Frisk can fight with Flowey at 1 LV, and Undyne isn't considered to be comparable to Chara because MHS+ Multiverse level is a crime.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

And Flowey was referring to the possession, not a literal term.

not really, the player is the one possesing them, and its canonn to the game.


undyne is ridiculosly weaker than chara and you dont even fight undyne the undieing.

in no mercy run its showed that frisk isnt possesed as chara can ONLY appear in full geno despite flowey thinking chara already possesd you.

and full power frisk coul tank asriels power, who is infinitly stronger than omega and char has THAT power

 

[Anonimoe7875]

undyne is ridiculosly weaker than chara and you dont even fight undyne the undieing.

in no mercy run its showed that frisk isnt possesed as chara can ONLY appear in full geno despite flowey thinking chara already possesd you.

and full power frisk coul tank asriels power, who is infinitly stronger than omega and char has THAT power

1. Same stats as Real Knife which Chara used to destroy the game - Fought Frisk/Chara mid-genocide run which shouldn't be infinitely weaker than they version of EoG.

Yet we don't rate them at that level because people may don't like... ?

2. That only happens if you drops genocide run, which isn't the "canon" of that ending.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

1. Same stats as Real Knife which Chara used to destroy the game - Fought Frisk/Chara mid-genocide run which shouldn't be infinitely weaker than they version of EoG.

Yet we don't rate them at that level because people may don't like... ?

2. That only happens if you drops genocide run, which isn't the "canon" of that ending.

1 chhara is not frisk dude, chara IS infinitly stronger than EoG frisk with the eexeption of pacifist

2 all endings are canon and you need to go full geno to get alphys queen ending

 

[Anonimoe7875]

1. When did I say they are the same?

Genocide Frisk fought Undyne the Imortal, has the Real Knife which Chara themself used to destroy the game.

And should be superior to Neutral Frisk who harmed Flowey, who even without scaling to Chara has a multiversal feat.

2. When Frisk talks with Flowey, they are possesed by Chara until The Player stops the genocide run.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

1. When did I say they are the same?
Genocide Frisk fought Undyne the Imortal, has the Real Knife which Chara themself used to destroy the game.

And should be superior to Neutral Frisk who harmed Flowey, who even without scaling to Chara has a multiversal feat.

2. When Frisk talks with Flowey, they are possesed by Chara until The Player stops the genocide run.

1 and? theraw power is still different

flowey has no multiversal featas they only survived reality destruction done by them, flowey is only multiversal dura beacuse he assumed being stronger than chara if not it would be universal at most

2 any proof? and chara talking doesent work, as they need you to give them your soul, which goes against being possesed as you still have control over your SOUL. and why would they stop possesing you?

 

[Anonimoe7875]

1. Warping the entire multiverse and easily able to turn everything into a void isn't 2-B?

Universal at most, okay you made me laugh.

2. Did you actually played the game .-.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

1. Warping the entire multiverse and easily able to turn everything into a void isn't 2-B?
Universal at most, okay you made me laugh.

2. Did you actually played the game .-.

thats hax, not dura. the DURA is universal whitout chara feat, they attack is obviusly more

2 yes, and chara talks to the player and asks for frisks soul. and how would flowey know how strong chara is? he has no real way to know, as chara is and embodiment, not a human soul

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Erasing a planet using reality warping is planet level, why wouldn't be the same for tier 2?

Flowey can also resist everything being turned into a void and multiples SAVEs/Timelines being destroyed in his face.

Azathoth already answered everything in this thread multiples times, just look at old threads.

Honestly this is going nowhere and is just a waste of time, this should be closed, so as I am gonna simply unfollow the thread.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Erasing a planet using reality warping is planet level, why wouldn't be the same for tier 2?
Flowey can also resist everything being turned into a void and multiples SAVEs/Timelines being destroyed in his face.

Azathoth already answered everything in this thread multiples times, just look at old threads.

Honestly this is going nowhere and is just a waste of time, this should be closed, so as I am gonna simply unfollow the thread.

durabiltiy doesent come with attack potency

because he is the one doing it, characters stopping time arent given immunity because they resist theyre own powers

thew go with him being above chara, which comes from his statement whitout him posssibly knowing charas full power