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Object Show General Discussion Thread: New Friendly

Psychomaster35 said:
New episode's out
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This probably has to be the best episode of TPOT (And to an extent, the series) so far. Though, it was admittedly painful to see my 2nd best girl in the series (Basketball) go since I really wanted to see her stay longer in the game to have more moments of her rivalry with Golf Ball.

It was actually fun seeing time travel being involved in the challenge that led to the contestants going back to various pieces in time to rescue the failed debuters while also reliving some key moments in the series in a way that it was full of throwbacks. Thanks to this episode, we now know that Total Firey Island and BFDI Mini is officially canon to the main timeline (Even though there's a plot hole that got formed in the latter spin-off series where the moon in that series is in space even though it should've been on the surface of the Earth). And we even get to see One's plan being explored deeper in a way that she potentially wants the universe gone if she doesn't get Two's power.

Speaking of One, given how she has the power to restore the timeline back to normal to stop it from collapsing, and that the universe houses an underworld within the Earth's core, perhaps there's Low Multiversal arguments to be made?
 
Psychomaster35 said:
Speaking of One, given how she has the power to restore the timeline back to normal to stop it from collapsing, and that the universe houses an underworld within the Earth's core, perhaps there's Low Multiversal arguments to be made?
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I agree with the restoration being Low Multiverse level. It's more than just "perhaps," since the Announcer's budget cuts are already ranked as Low Multiverse level for the same reason. There also exists Yellow Face's Ad Dimension being another layer of the same universe which is basically a low quality exact copy of it. Even if its more like a parallel universe than a dimension of the main universe, it's technically part of the characters' "timeline" since they have been there in the past. I feel like budget cuts and the space-time rift could destroy 3 universes instead of 2. Golf Ball and Tennis Ball also technically get to have this tier of destruction via the Yoylite, even though they can't use it freely and wouldn't use it in character anyway.

My main takeaway about One this episode is that her realm is acausal. Gaty wasn't affected by changes to her past when she was in the realm.
 
Psychomaster35 said:
This probably has to be the best episode of TPOT (And to an extent, the series) so far. Though, it was admittedly painful to see my 2nd best girl in the series (Basketball) go since I really wanted to see her stay longer in the game to have more moments of her rivalry with Golf Ball.

It was actually fun seeing time travel being involved in the challenge that led to the contestants going back to various pieces in time to rescue the failed debuters while also reliving some key moments in the series in a way that it was full of throwbacks. Thanks to this episode, we now know that Total Firey Island and BFDI Mini is officially canon to the main timeline (Even though there's a plot hole that got formed in the latter spin-off series where the moon in that series is in space even though it should've been on the surface of the Earth). And we even get to see One's plan being explored deeper in a way that she potentially wants the universe gone if she doesn't get Two's power.

Speaking of One, given how she has the power to restore the timeline back to normal to stop it from collapsing, and that the universe houses an underworld within the Earth's core, perhaps there's Low Multiversal arguments to be made?
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Do you think we might need to do another CRT? I can maybe help with the BFDI Mini stuff, if it's needed.
 
Jimmy.robinson.5099 said:
Do you think we might need to do another CRT? I can maybe help with the BFDI Mini stuff, if it's needed.
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Yeah, that would be fine. Speaking in regards to the latest episode:
You think it's fine that Two and Four should scale to One's power? Not only was this done very casually with just the kick of a foot, but One outright implied that she isn't any stronger than Two, and we know that Two likely isn't any more powerful than Four.

In regards to if this just scales to reality warping, I've been thinking that this should also scale to their physicals. Coming to think of the reasoning that Four and Two's peak power only scales to reality warping because "if it scaled to their physical power it would contradict the narrative of Black Hole [Who is stronger than the rest of the contestants] holding back to stop himself from reaching his peak power through absorbing the universe and killing everyone," their reality warping has never been used much IIRC, especially since one of Four's main methods of handling things is through physical offense (Via Zappies or physical strength). Not to mention, given the nature of Black Hole's physiology, he already kills everyone through bypassing their durability with passive deconstruction, and the reasoning for him even getting a High 3-A rating for his peak power was just out of sheer size on what he can affect with his range, not necessarily out of getting stronger physically since it's hardly been used when he just deconstructs anything he touches. Even then, who said the contestants can't just downscale in power via taking hits from potentially casual Four attacks and being able to somewhat hurt him especially since infinity divided by 999999999 is still infinity?

Basically, I'm saying that if Four and Two are getting upgraded to 2-C through scaling from One's timeline restoration feat, it can scale to their physical power since One's feat was very casual with One being implied to be weaker than Two who is implied to be just about even in strength against Four, and by proxy the contestants can downscale from Four and Two through harming them somewhat even if the contestants are meant to be weaker than them lore-wise (Think of an "At most" rating for them).
 
Psychomaster35 said:
You think it's fine that Two and Four should scale to One's power? Not only was this done very casually with just the kick of a foot, but One outright implied that she isn't any stronger than Two, and we know that Two likely isn't any more powerful than Four.
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That much is reliable, as One having less power than Two and wanting to steal Two's power seems to be her entire motive for tampering with the show.
Psychomaster35 said:
In regards to if this just scales to reality warping, I've been thinking that this should also scale to their physicals. Coming to think of the reasoning that Four and Two's peak power only scales to reality warping because "if it scaled to their physical power it would contradict the narrative of Black Hole [Who is stronger than the rest of the contestants] holding back to stop himself from reaching his peak power through absorbing the universe and killing everyone," their reality warping has never been used much IIRC, especially since one of Four's main methods of handling things is through physical offense (Via Zappies or physical strength). Not to mention, given the nature of Black Hole's physiology, he already kills everyone through bypassing their durability with passive deconstruction, and the reasoning for him even getting a High 3-A rating for his peak power was just out of sheer size on what he can affect with his range, not necessarily out of getting stronger physically since it's hardly been used when he just deconstructs anything he touches. Even then, who said the contestants can't just downscale in power via taking hits from potentially casual Four attacks and being able to somewhat hurt him especially since infinity divided by 999999999 is still infinity?

Basically, I'm saying that if Four and Two are getting upgraded to 2-C through scaling from One's timeline restoration feat, it can scale to their physical power since One's feat was very casual with One being implied to be weaker than Two who is implied to be just about even in strength against Four, and by proxy the contestants can downscale from Four and Two through harming them somewhat even if the contestants are meant to be weaker than them lore-wise (Think of an "At most" rating for them).
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I don't see why you're using the quantity of times Four has used his zapping and physical strength as a reason to claim these are representative of the peak of his power utilization. Four's contextual top tier -ness comes from him being stated to be "omnipotent" in the sense that he's the type of host who can produce magical effects to allow him to control basically anything about the challenges he presents. These are non-physical attributes about him. Playing devil's advocate, it's arguably not even a statement about his reality warping's potency, and could've just been referring to how versatile he is. Four can indeed use super physical characteristics from that pool of "omnipotent" magic, often leading to him physically overpowering contestants, but the sheer fact that he uses zapping and physical strength a lot doesn't at all justify your idea that he has ever utilized the entirety of his non-physical infinite supernatural prowess at the same time harnessed all into one physical strike. This means when the contestants somewhat hurt Four physically, they aren't using a small fraction of infinite strength, they're just not harming something that's physically infinite in strength. Using the in-setting lingo, the idea that all the contestants have "At most Omnipotent/Limitless level" physical strength still seems to rob Four and Two of what makes them special compared to the contestants.

What you wrote about Black Hole can be true, but the scaling you're proposing about him depends on my previous point being false. Hypothetically, if a random average contestant such as Ice Cube were to have proven she could simply close the space-time rift with her feet when it became Low Multiverse level, then indeed, Black Hole at his smallest would scale above that in Low Multiverse level, and the same would be true at his potential largest even though it'd be boring for him to have the same tier across all his sizes. Likewise, hypothetically, if it were to be confirmed that Two utilized the entire infinite pool of their non-physical limitless power just for the strength test amusement park game back in TPOT 3, then contestants being able to break those blocks would be Low Multiverse level by now, and Black Hole would scale above the other contestants in that tier across all his sizes. All of that is hypothetical though. For now, all we know is that Two can become stronger by an unknown amount directly from their limitless power, and anything that's Low Multiverse level in this series has been restricted to forces that most contestants don't scale to.
 
James_Plays_4_Games said:
That much is reliable, as One having less power than Two and wanting to steal Two's power seems to be her entire motive for tampering with the show.

I don't see why you're using the quantity of times Four has used his zapping and physical strength as a reason to claim these are representative of the peak of his power utilization. Four's contextual top tier -ness comes from him being stated to be "omnipotent" in the sense that he's the type of host who can produce magical effects to allow him to control basically anything about the challenges he presents. These are non-physical attributes about him. Playing devil's advocate, it's arguably not even a statement about his reality warping's potency, and could've just been referring to how versatile he is. Four can indeed use super physical characteristics from that pool of "omnipotent" magic, often leading to him physically overpowering contestants, but the sheer fact that he uses zapping and physical strength a lot doesn't at all justify your idea that he has ever utilized the entirety of his non-physical infinite supernatural prowess at the same time harnessed all into one physical strike. This means when the contestants somewhat hurt Four physically, they aren't using a small fraction of infinite strength, they're just not harming something that's physically infinite in strength. Using the in-setting lingo, the idea that all the contestants have "At most Omnipotent/Limitless level" physical strength still seems to rob Four and Two of what makes them special compared to the contestants.

What you wrote about Black Hole can be true, but the scaling you're proposing about him depends on my previous point being false. Hypothetically, if a random average contestant such as Ice Cube were to have proven she could simply close the space-time rift with her feet when it became Low Multiverse level, then indeed, Black Hole at his smallest would scale above that in Low Multiverse level, and the same would be true at his potential largest even though it'd be boring for him to have the same tier across all his sizes. Likewise, hypothetically, if it were to be confirmed that Two utilized the entire infinite pool of their non-physical limitless power just for the strength test amusement park game back in TPOT 3, then contestants being able to break those blocks would be Low Multiverse level by now, and Black Hole would scale above the other contestants in that tier across all his sizes. All of that is hypothetical though. For now, all we know is that Two can become stronger by an unknown amount directly from their limitless power, and anything that's Low Multiverse level in this series has been restricted to forces that most contestants don't scale to.
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Looking back at the scene of One repairing the timeline, she would've had to close up the rift in the sky which was present in both the past and the present. I'm now starting to get the idea that telekinesis was involved in some way that allowed the rift to be closed up especially when we see Black Hole physically partially closing up the small crack which would still be 4-D in power in a sense. As for the whole "omnipotent" argument, I agree that it means that Four is pretty versatile, but it can also mean he's physically strong since omnipotence can extend to that. Considering how One finds herself not any stronger than Two (Potentially even weaker than them) despite how her timeline restoration feat was casual, and that Two can use their telekinesis to harm Four in BFB 16 (Which should be equal to/stronger than One's telekinesis that closed the rift), I do still see the feat scaling to their physicals.
 
Psychomaster35 said:
I'm actually making one for her right now (No pun intended), though I'm only going to publish it once my CRT passes.

By the way, if you're still interested in bringing ITFT to this wiki, have this calc to use for justifying stats.
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that's cool, i was actually waiting for someone to make a page about one (btw wouldn't she also have omnipresence or something? since it was heavily implied, even by the creators that she's omnipresent and she was also shown to be in dreams during tpot 10)

thanks for remembering that, I kinda forgot about it myself but I actually also calced an MFTL+ speed feat for itft, and they all scale to it too (I'll make a userblog about it tomorrow if I don't forget)
 
Psychomaster35 said:
Yeah, that would be fine. Speaking in regards to the latest episode:
You think it's fine that Two and Four should scale to One's power? Not only was this done very casually with just the kick of a foot, but One outright implied that she isn't any stronger than Two, and we know that Two likely isn't any more powerful than Four.

In regards to if this just scales to reality warping, I've been thinking that this should also scale to their physicals. Coming to think of the reasoning that Four and Two's peak power only scales to reality warping because "if it scaled to their physical power it would contradict the narrative of Black Hole [Who is stronger than the rest of the contestants] holding back to stop himself from reaching his peak power through absorbing the universe and killing everyone," their reality warping has never been used much IIRC, especially since one of Four's main methods of handling things is through physical offense (Via Zappies or physical strength). Not to mention, given the nature of Black Hole's physiology, he already kills everyone through bypassing their durability with passive deconstruction, and the reasoning for him even getting a High 3-A rating for his peak power was just out of sheer size on what he can affect with his range, not necessarily out of getting stronger physically since it's hardly been used when he just deconstructs anything he touches. Even then, who said the contestants can't just downscale in power via taking hits from potentially casual Four attacks and being able to somewhat hurt him especially since infinity divided by 999999999 is still infinity?

Basically, I'm saying that if Four and Two are getting upgraded to 2-C through scaling from One's timeline restoration feat, it can scale to their physical power since One's feat was very casual with One being implied to be weaker than Two who is implied to be just about even in strength against Four, and by proxy the contestants can downscale from Four and Two through harming them somewhat even if the contestants are meant to be weaker than them lore-wise (Think of an "At most" rating for them).
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James_Plays_4_Games said:
That much is reliable, as One having less power than Two and wanting to steal Two's power seems to be her entire motive for tampering with the show.

I don't see why you're using the quantity of times Four has used his zapping and physical strength as a reason to claim these are representative of the peak of his power utilization. Four's contextual top tier -ness comes from him being stated to be "omnipotent" in the sense that he's the type of host who can produce magical effects to allow him to control basically anything about the challenges he presents. These are non-physical attributes about him. Playing devil's advocate, it's arguably not even a statement about his reality warping's potency, and could've just been referring to how versatile he is. Four can indeed use super physical characteristics from that pool of "omnipotent" magic, often leading to him physically overpowering contestants, but the sheer fact that he uses zapping and physical strength a lot doesn't at all justify your idea that he has ever utilized the entirety of his non-physical infinite supernatural prowess at the same time harnessed all into one physical strike. This means when the contestants somewhat hurt Four physically, they aren't using a small fraction of infinite strength, they're just not harming something that's physically infinite in strength. Using the in-setting lingo, the idea that all the contestants have "At most Omnipotent/Limitless level" physical strength still seems to rob Four and Two of what makes them special compared to the contestants.

What you wrote about Black Hole can be true, but the scaling you're proposing about him depends on my previous point being false. Hypothetically, if a random average contestant such as Ice Cube were to have proven she could simply close the space-time rift with her feet when it became Low Multiverse level, then indeed, Black Hole at his smallest would scale above that in Low Multiverse level, and the same would be true at his potential largest even though it'd be boring for him to have the same tier across all his sizes. Likewise, hypothetically, if it were to be confirmed that Two utilized the entire infinite pool of their non-physical limitless power just for the strength test amusement park game back in TPOT 3, then contestants being able to break those blocks would be Low Multiverse level by now, and Black Hole would scale above the other contestants in that tier across all his sizes. All of that is hypothetical though. For now, all we know is that Two can become stronger by an unknown amount directly from their limitless power, and anything that's Low Multiverse level in this series has been restricted to forces that most contestants don't scale to.
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After reading these again, I think I worked out a way to salvage your revision proposal. In its original form, the unnecessary wrong parts were distracting me from the merit in it I could've realized. Try this, not directly in the profiles but as a justification in general: "One is weaker than Two, but One performed a Low Multiverse level feat casually, whereas Two used their power in the strength test carnival game in a way that made them sweat, implying the blocks Two can generate have Low Multiverse level durability. Contestants are comparable to Needle and Saw, who can cut these blocks." I would only agree to this being a "possibly" rating because the idea that the mundane items are so tough is more absurd than the idea that Two was pretending the be tired just to be humble. Such a rating is kind of consistent with how "possibly Universe level" was recently accepted for the strength of the contestants, though.


Psychomaster35 said:
Looking back at the scene of One repairing the timeline, she would've had to close up the rift in the sky which was present in both the past and the present. I'm now starting to get the idea that telekinesis was involved in some way that allowed the rift to be closed up especially when we see Black Hole physically partially closing up the small crack which would still be 4-D in power in a sense.
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  • All we know is that One did a gesture with her foot that caused the timeline to be restored off-screen with a rumble and flash of light. The idea that she used telekinesis in particular is a theory compared to deeming it a general Low Multiverse level restoration feat.
  • The detail of a character having 4D strength without more information is unfortunately not enough to qualify for tier 2. It's a flaw in the Tiering System. Black Hole had to have closed the space-time rift when it was Low Multiverse level to qualify for a tier, which he seemed to be incapable of doing throughout the entire episode prior. Black Hole at his smallest size should be in a tier that doesn't exist yet between High Universe level and Universe level+.

Psychomaster35 said:
As for the whole "omnipotent" argument, I agree that it means that Four is pretty versatile, but it can also mean he's physically strong since omnipotence can extend to that. Considering how One finds herself not any stronger than Two (Potentially even weaker than them) despite how her timeline restoration feat was casual, and that Two can use their telekinesis to harm Four in BFB 16 (Which should be equal to/stronger than One's telekinesis that closed the rift), I do still see the feat scaling to their physicals.
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This is a misunderstanding. I get the impression your understanding of my claim is that I think the matter is a binary where Four's omnipotence is either referring to his versatility or his strength with no in between, but that's not what I think. I believe Four can use his omnipotence for physical attacks, but that doesn't mean he uses the entire pool of energy all at once. Your idea is like claiming Shadow the Hedgehog's Chaos Spear attack is Low Complex Multiverse level because the peak of chaos energy operates at that scale in the Sonic the Hedgehog series, even though Chaos Spear is a base level attack that just comes from a higher-dimensional pool of energy rather than each individual attack being that strong. Likewise, Four's reality warping being called omnipotent is evidence that his entire pool of energy is Low Multiverse level by virtue of One performing a feat at that level while not being omnipotent, but there's no evidence Four has individual physical attributes and actions at that level. (This means there's no evidence that characters harming Four demonstrates they're Low Multiverse level.)

Psychomaster35 said:
Made a CRT in regards to additions thanks to TPOT 15, hope you enjoy 'em.
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I'll take this matter to there, then.
 
Starlightvortex said:
btw wouldn't she also have omnipresence or something? since it was heavily implied, even by the creators that she's omnipresent and she was also shown to be in dreams during tpot 10
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The superpower looks to be multilocation to me. Omnipresence is too all-encompassing for what we've seen One do. I'm unaware of the creators implying something about this though, so it would be nice to know exactly what you're referring to.
 
James_Plays_4_Games said:
The superpower looks to be multilocation to me. Omnipresence is too all-encompassing for what we've seen One do. I'm unaware of the creators implying something about this though, so it would be nice to know exactly what you're referring to.
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wouldn't it lean more towards omnipresence though? considering how she's shown to be in dreams, across goiky, and etc, at the same time
also this
 
Starlightvortex said:
wouldn't it lean more towards omnipresence though? considering how she's shown to be in dreams, across goiky, and etc, at the same time
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Not at all. Omnipresence is to exist everywhere and nowhere simultaneously. One has proven to be able to manifest in depictions of the number one in Goiky and in the dreams of characters, but it's an assumption that her presence is infinitely more expansive than it has been written. If One were omnipresent, that would include existing within the power of Two and existing in the future where her fate has already been decided. One could have nigh-omnipresence if we're being generous by presuming she can make a one show up for her to physically appear anywhere in the universe at will.
Starlightvortex said:
also this
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Thanks for presenting that evidence. This is most likely referring to One's clairvoyant view of Goiky or her looming presence over TPOT specifically, not watching everywhere in the entire universe simultaneously.
 
Psychomaster35 said:
So does this look fine to publish once the time for me to apply my (accepted) CRT comes?
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It's well done.

I want to make a recommendation. One was except from changes to the past when she was in her realm, and when she entered the main universe for brief times while the failed debuters were making changes to the past, she kept her memories of the main timeline despite not having been touched by the Yoylite's power like all the contestants were. This means One has acausality, and her realm is also acausal, as most clearly shown by Gaty being unaffected by changes to the past while in it, despite never having been touched by the Yoylite's power.
 
James_Plays_4_Games said:
One was except from changes to the past when she was in her realm, and when she entered the main universe for brief times while the failed debuters were making changes to the past, she kept her memories of the main timeline despite not having been touched by the Yoylite's power like all the contestants were. This means One has acausality, and her realm is also acausal, as most clearly shown by Gaty being unaffected by changes to the past while in it, despite never having been touched by the Yoylite's power.
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So you're suggesting Type 4 Acausality?
 
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Just found this thread while searching stuff on Reddit, and it admittedly made me laugh when I saw it.


Speaking of BFDI, someone made an Anti-Flying Button page, albeit there's some of incorrect information on it (Like saying the button is 4-A when everyone just got upgraded to 2-C) and it's formatted poorly. If anyone's willing to make some CRT to revise it (As I'm busy with other things at the moment), that would be appreciated.
 
Psychomaster35 said:
Just found this thread while searching stuff on Reddit, and it admittedly made me laugh when I saw it.
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I find that funny as well! 🙂

Psychomaster35 said:
Speaking of BFDI, someone made an Anti-Flying Button page, albeit there's some of incorrect information on it (Like saying the button is 4-A when everyone just got upgraded to 2-C) and it's formatted poorly. If anyone's willing to make some CRT to revise it (As I'm busy with other things at the moment), that would be appreciated.
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I don't think a content revision thread is necessary to make the change. Four's profile was made long before the Anti-Flying Button profile, and Four's profile has never made a distinction between his own strength and the strength of the Anti-Flying Button, so changing it would be supported by already accepted content.
 
Psychomaster35 said:
Just found this thread while searching stuff on Reddit, and it admittedly made me laugh when I saw it.


Speaking of BFDI, someone made an Anti-Flying Button page, albeit there's some of incorrect information on it (Like saying the button is 4-A when everyone just got upgraded to 2-C) and it's formatted poorly. If anyone's willing to make some CRT to revise it (As I'm busy with other things at the moment), that would be appreciated.
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"I'm so excited! I can't wait to start preventing death!"

Aizen: gets hit by one of Gelatin's forks and explodes

"And Aizen's dead!"
 
Question, do we have any proof that one actually used ap to restore the fabric of space time and not... just used time travel to fix things? not to mention the fisure was still there in the end. Like to me don1t seen like She had the power to just force fix things she seen to me that she just fixed the past and thats It... didn't even completly fixed as the rifit was still there
 
JustANormalLemon said:
Question, do we have any proof that one actually used ap to restore the fabric of space time and not... just used time travel to fix things? not to mention the fisure was still there in the end. Like to me don1t seen like She had the power to just force fix things she seen to me that she just fixed the past and thats It... didn't even completly fixed as the rifit was still there
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The fact that this was not only done instantly and casually, but One was literally still in her chair when she repaired the timeline? Also, you do realize that time travel can be a byproduct of reality warping, right? As for the rift still being present, it was at least repaired in a way that the timeline was more stable to the point where it can't collapse.
 
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Psychomaster35 said:
The fact that this was not only done instantly and casually, but One was literally still in her chair when she repaired the timeline? Also, you do realize that time travel can be a byproduct of reality warping, right? As for the rift still being present, it was at least repaired in a way that the timeline was more stable to the point where it can't collapse.
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yea, one has show to be able to stay in multiple places at once as she never left gaty in the pocket dimension while doing stuff outside... trough could be a situation of algebraliens and being able to astral project then selfs inside their pocket dimensions...

I stillthink this may only scale to the algebraliens and only in ap and maybe no in dura but I will not be trying to downgrade It
 
JustANormalLemon said:
yea, one has show to be able to stay in multiple places at once as she never left gaty in the pocket dimension while doing stuff outside... trough could be a situation of algebraliens and being able to astral project then selfs inside their pocket dimensions...
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Except there have been moments where she has actually left her dimension as indicated whenever she's shown teleporting back to her dimension on-screen (IE. Her visibly teleporting back to her dimension at the start of TPOT 13, or her visibly being shown to teleport herself and Fanny to her dimension in TPOT 12), yet for this instance, she remained in her dimension this entire time when she repaired the timeline. There's nothing suggesting that she can astral project, either. Besides, by Occum's Razor, it's more reasonable that One repaired the timeline through sheer AP as opposed to doing something as complex as time travelling to multiple places to restore the timeline which is something we never even see.
 
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