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Object Show General Discussion Thread: New Friendly

So, this was actually a pretty good episode that I enjoyed for once. I may still be lamenting over the fact that Puffball got out last episode, but this episode was generally good. I did not really care at all about Nickel getting out as he wasn't that interesting, so suck it up for trying to bribe everyone to saving him by giving them plushes, Adam Katz.

As for what has been shown past Nickel's elimination:
  • Challenge was to escape a team member's nightmare by waking them up. Nice concept, and Two definitely has Sleep Manipulation for putting those to sleep with a snap as well as Dream Manipulation and Dream-based BFR for sending contestants into their team member's dreams, and they were even shown later in the episode to enter Book's dream themselves.
  • Clock and Winner finally resolve their arc on a good note, and we get to learn about Winner's backstory with Loser.
  • Mechanical minds apparently can't have nightmares/dreams when they fall asleep as seen when Two attempted to send TSTOE into her "dream" only for them to send them into her control room shrunken down because she can't dream.
  • When objects die while inside a dream, they will end up getting revived the moment the person who was dreaming the dream they died in wakes up, causing them to go outside the dream next to the dreamer. Pretty much evidence for limited Resurrection.
  • Most importantly, if Black Hole were to betray the PACT, there would be nothing left after killing everything off. By nothing, we literally see him destroy the solar system in his dream before eventually reducing everything to a white void moments afterward. Given that we already have the Cary's statement from his TPOT 1 reaction that implies the universe of BFDI being infinite in size, for Black Hole to reduce everything to nothing, he would have to go past every single point in the infinite universe while traveling at infinite speed himself. Basically, we're looking at a potential High 3-A and infinite speed upgrade, as he pretty much stated that he could potentially do it if he were to go against the PACT's ethos.
  • TSTOE and Just Not are UFE, and this time we are voting through Google Forms. Honestly, this should've been done much earlier because of all the vote botting/rigging allegations with how ridiculously close the TPOT votes have been getting lately to the point of spikes being present in the votes thanks to people using 3rd party websites to see the comment votes early so they can orchestrate a plan to rig the votes if they see their favorite losing, and as much as I'm happy they are finally listening to their fans' concerns, it should've been done much earlier, say the first episode.
Overall, a pretty good episode.
 
One... is everywhere and is alread inside the contestants dreams, he is appearing everywhere not only on phisical form but as objects, splatters of snow, etc. It's like 1 is becoming the surroundings after scapping them moon... One is slowly becoming one with all instances of the number 1 in the show while stalking... observing.... learning... I'm scared and we may get a conceptual assimilator in out hands
 
Psychomaster35 said:
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TPOT 10's challenge was a great opportunity for the characters to be put in scenarios that address some social conflicts between them. I enjoyed it. 🌟
Psychomaster35 said:
  • Challenge was to escape a team member's nightmare by waking them up. Nice concept, and Two definitely has Sleep Manipulation for putting those to sleep with a snap as well as Dream Manipulation and Dream-based BFR for sending contestants into their team member's dreams, and they were even shown later in the episode to enter Book's dream themselves.
  • Clock and Winner finally resolve their arc on a good note, and we get to learn about Winner's backstory with Loser.
  • Mechanical minds apparently can't have nightmares/dreams when they fall asleep as seen when Two attempted to send TSTOE into her "dream" only for them to send them into her control room shrunken down because she can't dream.
  • When objects die while inside a dream, they will end up getting revived the moment the person who was dreaming the dream they died in wakes up, causing them to go outside the dream next to the dreamer. Pretty much evidence for limited Resurrection.
  • Most importantly, if Black Hole were to betray the PACT, there would be nothing left after killing everything off. By nothing, we literally see him destroy the solar system in his dream before eventually reducing everything to a white void moments afterward. Given that we already have the Cary's statement from his TPOT 1 reaction that implies the universe of BFDI being infinite in size, for Black Hole to reduce everything to nothing, he would have to go past every single point in the infinite universe while traveling at infinite speed himself. Basically, we're looking at a potential High 3-A and infinite speed upgrade, as he pretty much stated that he could potentially do it if he were to go against the PACT's ethos.
  • TSTOE and Just Not are UFE, and this time we are voting through Google Forms. Honestly, this should've been done much earlier because of all the vote botting/rigging allegations with how ridiculously close the TPOT votes have been getting lately to the point of spikes being present in the votes thanks to people using 3rd party websites to see the comment votes early so they can orchestrate a plan to rig the votes if they see their favorite losing, and as much as I'm happy they are finally listening to their fans' concerns, it should've been done much earlier, say the first episode.
Overall, a pretty good episode.
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I agree with most of this. I have some clarifications below.
  • The dreams were akin to mere simulations, and with that comparison, it should be easy to understand that dying in a simulation and being fine when the simulation is over doesn't mean that the owner of the simulation has a resurrection capability. They could only perform "resurrection" to people within a fictional scenario of their own, where whether a character is dead or alive is technically just their imagination.
    • Furthermore, the characters seem to get separate bodies than their real ones while they're inside a dream, as seen by how Fanny gained her mouth back specifically when in Black Hole's dream and Tree became his regular smaller self specifically when in Black Hole's dream. These restorations were gone when the dream was over. It seems that the effects of Yellow Face's gumballs having let him steal the limbs of other contestants wasn't factored in, but still, the dream bodies were based on the real forms of the contestants, so this could've just been a detail that was decided to not have restoration be applied to for whatever reason.
  • Black Hole's true power comes from his ability to absorb. In his small regular state of being, Black Hole simply pulls things in and stretches them in a way that stops himself from causing devastation around him. If Black Hole were to stop caring about preventing death, then, as seen in the dream, he would stop holding back his ability to absorb any material around him and he would grow infinitely. Rather than being rigid stats, his infinite destruction is potential that stems from absorbing the universe and obtaining the range, which would become easier the more he would absorb. Basically, instead of replacing Black Hole's current stats, it would be better to instead add "up to High Universe level" to the Attack Potency section and "up to Infinite" in the Speed section after the current rankings, for the justification: "It's confirmed that, if Black Hole were to abandon his death prevention morality, he would stop mitigating his absorption and he would grow to eventually reduce everything in the universe to a white void of nothing after absorbing it all. The universe is implied to be infinite because [evidence that you know already]."
    • Important connections: Two should be considered as being potentially capable of what Black Hole could do "via the power of Two" or "via reality warping", since that power is considered as a valuable prize to all the contestants and it's portrayed as one of the strongest things in the series. (Two's physicality is very inconsistent. Sometimes they get beat up by contestants, but other times they don't get dented by Four's attacks. Either way, physically scaling Two's regular capabilities to Black Hole's peak stats and thus all the weaker contestants that Black Hole restrains himself against would be paradoxical.) Cary described Four as omnipotent during his reaction video to BFB 4, referring to Four's ability to warp reality, so Four should also be considered as having Black Hole's peak stats via reality warping.
 
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James_Plays_4_Games said:
TPOT 10's challenge was a great opportunity for the characters to be put in scenarios that address some social conflicts between them. I enjoyed it. 🌟

I agree with most of this. I have some clarifications below.
  • The dreams were akin to mere simulations, and with that comparison, it should be easy to understand that dying in a simulation and being fine when the simulation is over doesn't mean that the owner of the simulation has a resurrection capability. They could only perform "resurrection" to people within a fictional scenario of their own, where whether a character is dead or alive is technically just their imagination.
    • Furthermore, the characters seem to get separate bodies than their real ones while they're inside a dream, as seen by how Fanny gained her mouth back specifically when in Black Hole's dream and Tree became his regular smaller self specifically when in Black Hole's dream. These restorations were gone when the dream was over. It seems that the effects of Yellow Face's gumballs having let him steal the limbs of other contestants wasn't factored in, but still, the dream bodies were based on the real forms of the contestants, so this could've just been a detail that was decided to not have restoration be applied to for whatever reason.
  • Black Hole's true power comes from his ability to absorb. In his small regular state of being, Black Hole simply pulls things in and stretches them in a way that stops himself from causing devastation around him. If Black Hole were to stop caring about preventing death, then, as seen in the dream, he would stop holding back his ability to absorb any material around him and he would grow infinitely. Rather than being rigid stats, his infinite destruction is potential that stems from absorbing the universe and obtaining the range, which would become easier the more he would absorb. Basically, instead of replacing Black Hole's current stats, it would be better to instead add "up to High Universe level" to the Attack Potency section and "up to Infinite" in the Speed section after the current rankings, for the justification: "It's confirmed that, if Black Hole were to abandon his death prevention morality, he would stop mitigating his absorption and he would grow to eventually reduce everything in the universe to a white void of nothing after absorbing it all. The universe is implied to be infinite because [evidence that you know already]."
    • Important connections: Two should be considered as being potentially capable of what Black Hole could do "via the power of Two" or "via reality warping", since that power is considered as a valuable prize to all the contestants and it's portrayed as one of the strongest things in the series. (Two's physicality is very inconsistent. Sometimes they get beat up by contestants, but other times they don't get dented by Four's attacks. Either way, physically scaling Two's regular capabilities to Black Hole's peak stats and thus all the weaker contestants that Black Hole restrains himself against would be paradoxical.) Cary described Four as omnipotent during his reaction video to BFB 4, referring to Four's ability to warp reality, so Four should also be considered as having Black Hole's peak stats via reality warping.
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  • The thing is that the contestants' bodies get placed inside of their team members' dreams to the point where once they leave their dreams, their bodies come out of their team members alive and well even if they died in their dream, which means that it can't necessarily mean they are in different bodies. Sure, Fanny and Tree had body alterations when entering Black Hole's dream, but it is more of a visual thing given that Donut was still missing his arms when he went inside Barf Bag's dream, especially with the fact that the dream setting can allow them to make changes to the area around them as seen with Just Not at the end. It wouldn't really change any of their abilities as the only difference is that they are in a body suited for the dream.
  • Black Hole isnt necessarily just standing there and absorbing things around him, but rather moving as well when he chased after Fanny and Tree into space. Furthermore, even though the potency of his abilities (In terms of range) are weaker whenever he is small, there aren't any indications that his physical speed changed as well, and Fanny and Tree straight up ran away from him on foot. Plus, when only Fanny remained after Tree's death and Black Hole was getting close to him while sucking things up, if he was sucking up the entire infinite universe, it means his suction would have to be infinite as well, and Fanny could still move around even while everything around her even at a far distance was getting sucked in by the infinite-accelerating gravitational pull. Also, while he was at a large size when he destroyed the dream universe around him, he would still have to move around the infinite universe at infinite speeds in order to destroy every bit of it to leave nothing behind, so his rating could potentially be flat out instead of a new tier at a large size.
    • Also, while the Power of Two has shown impressive hax through its abilities, the same source has also been used for offense through empowering Two to strike a block in TPOT 3. Not to mention, given how Two denied Clock's statement that he was any stronger than Four in BFB 30 to imply that they equal to Four in power and that the contestants have survived attacks from Four even to the point of Gelatin and Basketball even being able to harm him (Alongside the contestants being able to harm Two who can survive hits from Four), they could scale to harming or taking hits from either of the two as a solid rating.
 
I really disagree to scale the contestants too inside dreams feats, the only thing I need to say to counter It is, Tree and Fanny that even trough they where placed inside Black Hole dream they lacked the phisical features they had outside It and tree him self wasn't "SUMMONED" back near blackhole when He was awakened
 
Psychomaster35 said:
  • The thing is that the contestants' bodies get placed inside of their team members' dreams to the point where once they leave their dreams, their bodies come out of their team members alive and well even if they died in their dream, which means that it can't necessarily mean they are in different bodies. Sure, Fanny and Tree had body alterations when entering Black Hole's dream, but it is more of a visual thing given that Donut was still missing his arms when he went inside Barf Bag's dream, especially with the fact that the dream setting can allow them to make changes to the area around them as seen with Just Not at the end. It wouldn't really change any of their abilities as the only difference is that they are in a body suited for the dream.
  • Black Hole isnt necessarily just standing there and absorbing things around him, but rather moving as well when he chased after Fanny and Tree into space. Furthermore, even though the potency of his abilities (In terms of range) are weaker whenever he is small, there aren't any indications that his physical speed changed as well, and Fanny and Tree straight up ran away from him on foot. Plus, when only Fanny remained after Tree's death and Black Hole was getting close to him while sucking things up, if he was sucking up the entire infinite universe, it means his suction would have to be infinite as well, and Fanny could still move around even while everything around her even at a far distance was getting sucked in by the infinite-accelerating gravitational pull. Also, while he was at a large size when he destroyed the dream universe around him, he would still have to move around the infinite universe at infinite speeds in order to destroy every bit of it to leave nothing behind, so his rating could potentially be flat out instead of a new tier at a large size.
    • Also, while the Power of Two has shown impressive hax through its abilities, the same source has also been used for offense through empowering Two to strike a block in TPOT 3. Not to mention, given how Two denied Clock's statement that he was any stronger than Four in BFB 30 to imply that they equal to Four in power and that the contestants have survived attacks from Four even to the point of Gelatin and Basketball even being able to harm him (Alongside the contestants being able to harm Two who can survive hits from Four), they could scale to harming or taking hits from either of the two as a solid rating.
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I saw what you saw about the dreams. Your idea can be true, but it just debunks what I wrote after "furthermore". Dying in a dream and being fine after it's over still isn't resurrection, even if a character died in a dream that isn't theirs. A character dying in a scenario that's fictional to them has no true consequence, unlike when they die in scenarios that are real to them.

I mean that Black Hole's growth can reach the power and speed that you proposed. Black Hole's movement and power didn't show any signs of being better than usual until he started absorbing better than he ever previously demonstrated, growing past stars, until everything except for Fanny and the rocket ship instantly turned to white. That one instant was Black Hole transcending finite capabilities and achieving infinity.

Two didn't deny that they were stronger than Four, they said that they didn't know where Clock heard that idea. What's most likely is that Two doesn't know the answer, because Two and Four have never seriously fought. Also, Clock wasn't necessarily referring to physical power. Don't make the mistake of scaling the random blocks to the power of Two. Think of how nonsensical it would be for it to be true that all the contestants battle for Two's "limitless power" that they all find fantastic compared to themselves, yet they already have that power. The block not breaking after Two punched it with their power just means that they weren't using all their power, hence why the block didn't get launched off the planet and hence why I used the word "potentially" when describing that Two could replicate Black Hole's peak capabilities.
JustANormalLemon said:
I really disagree to scale the contestants too inside dreams feats, […]
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It should be noted that we're not treating Black Hole destroying the universe in his dream as a "feat". It's only relevant because he said that it would happen in real life if he stopped showing mercy. Think of it like a statement with a visual of it hypothetically happening.
 
Another thing, Black Hole has Space-time manipulation, so It's possible that this is what he would use to affect a infinity sized space such as BFDI universe
 
JustANormalLemon said:
Almostt sure he was exagerating for the sake of his argument, but fair
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JustANormalLemon said:
Another thing, Black Hole has Space-time manipulation, so It's possible that this is what he would use to affect a infinity sized space such as BFDI universe
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These are possibilities, but not certainties. Also, in Black Hole's dream, he was shown to destroy the universe physically, so it's likely that this would also be true if he would actually do it.
 
James_Plays_4_Games said:
These are possibilities, but not certainties. Also, in Black Hole's dream, he was shown to destroy the universe physically, so it's likely that this would also be true if he would actually do it.
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Book(and somehow pillow) could summon objects at will inside book dream, we have 1- no reason to say that the universe insisde black hole dream is infinity in size and 2- the way black hole destroyed the universe on his dream is a 1 to 1 representation of how he could dod that in te actuall realitty
 
JustANormalLemon said:
Book(and somehow pillow) could summon objects at will inside book dream, we have 1- no reason to say that the universe insisde black hole dream is infinity in size and 2- the way black hole destroyed the universe on his dream is a 1 to 1 representation of how he could dod that in te actuall realitty
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  1. The dream was based on reality, and remember that the visual isn't a feat. The ranking would come from Black Hole saying that he could actually destroy the universe, which would be a feat of infinite capabilities if he were to really do it.
  2. I didn't claim that the dream was necessarily a perfect visualization, but nonetheless, it was a visual provided for the purpose of showing what Black Hole unrestrained could do, and I want to factor that in. Why shouldn't I? I don't expect perfection.
 
James_Plays_4_Games said:
  1. The dream was based on reality, and remember that the visual isn't a feat. The ranking would come from Black Hole saying that he could actually destroy the universe, which would be a feat of infinite capabilities if he were to really do it.
  2. I didn't claim that the dream was necessarily a perfect visualization, but nonetheless, it was a visual provided for the purpose of showing what Black Hole unrestrained could do, and I want to factor that in. Why shouldn't I? I don't expect perfection.
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fair enough
 
oh yeah! we definitely do need to update the BFDI mini profiles :3 since these characters- got major size buffs as well as one of the major supporting feats this one would be calculated differently! similar to this one!

and ngl- the rocketship KE isn't the best :3 since Mocha let go of it after it zoomed into space! it could have gained a massive burst of speed afterwards!
 
CuteAnimeNekoGirl99 said:
oh yeah! we definitely do need to update the BFDI mini profiles :3 since these characters- got major size buffs as well as one of the major supporting feats this one would be calculated differently! similar to this one!

and ngl- the rocketship KE isn't the best :3 since Mocha let go of it after it zoomed into space! it could have gained a massive burst of speed afterwards!
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I was going to do a redux of tbe blog sometime later, actually. As for the rocket feat, Mocha straight up gets hit by the full acceleration of the rocket at the start. The second tine it accelerated was when it was nearing the finish, but nothing suggests that the two times it instantly accelerated were at different speeds.

Also, on the topic of BFDI, anyone want to comment on this match?
 
I'm just scared of one thing... Ender Rocky may make BFDI unable to be in the wiki.... unless It fall in parody sinse It's not a actuall enderman
 
JustANormalLemon said:
I'm just scared of one thing... Ender Rocky may make BFDI unable to be in the wiki.... unless It fall in parody sinse It's not a actuall enderman
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In all fairness, this is a spin-off that isn’t canon to the main series. Not to mention, aside from the obvious reference to Enderman from Minecraft from his name and look alone, it isn’t completely an Enderman, but rather a parody that was inspired off of it that takes an original name and look, so I’m sure we’re fine here.
 
Psychomaster35 said:
In all fairness, this is a spin-off that isn’t canon to the main series. Not to mention, aside from the obvious reference to Enderman from Minecraft from his name and look alone, it isn’t completely an Enderman, but rather a parody that was inspired off of it that takes an original name and look, so I’m sure we’re fine here.
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I hope so, Lego Brick still scares me too but not as much sinse It's only the name the problem
 
But also, sinse Banana Apple apeared in another non cannon animation, wouldn't that make BFDI mini characters scale to main BFDI characters? sinse Banana Apple survived being used as a weapon by snowball multiple times and BFDI mini would fall into the "non cannon bfdi verse".... unless we considerer banana apple on this animation to be a non cannon counterpart of the bfdi mini banana apple.... What I'm talking about? also, "non cannon BFDI" verse would be high 3-A scaliing from announcer surviving the heat death of the universe... unless we ignore cannon BFDI for the scales beacuse so annoncer would be the only one to sccale to that feat(and the grab machine thing that also survived It :V)
 
JustANormalLemon said:
But also, sinse Banana Apple apeared in another non cannon animation, wouldn't that make BFDI mini characters scale to main BFDI characters? sinse Banana Apple survived being used as a weapon by snowball multiple times and BFDI mini would fall into the "non cannon bfdi verse".... unless we considerer banana apple on this animation to be a non cannon counterpart of the bfdi mini banana apple.... What I'm talking about?
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Because they are non-canon episodes, they are their own continuities and would only connect with each other if stated so (In this case, Pie vs. Pi isn’t canon to BFDI Mini as it was never stated so). Thus, Banana Apple would only scale to feats done in BFDI Mini.

JustANormalLemon said:
also, "non cannon BFDI" verse would be high 3-A scaliing from announcer surviving the heat death of the universe... unless we ignore cannon BFDI for the scales beacuse so annoncer would be the only one to sccale to that feat(and the grab machine thing that also survived It :V)
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That's not how the heat death of the universe works. Surviving it isn't a durability feat as it only refers to all the energy in the universe being used up to the point where all life slowly dies off from absolute zero temperatures. Which pretty much reminds me of this profile I saw on the Character Stats and Profiles Wiki that tried to do that explanation, which they're wrong about because surviving the heat death of the universe has nothing to do with tanking it.
 
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