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Obito Uchiha vs. Gerard Valkyrie
- Thread starter SuperKamiNappa
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no BFR
Speed Equalized
who wins and why?
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Gerard can't regenerate (or hasn't been shown to) from vaporization on a molecular level. Obito should take this courtesy of his TSBs. Or he could seal with Chibaku Tensei or knock Gerard out with Wood Release. And I'm not sure Gerard has a way past Obito's Regenerationn too. I vote for Obito.
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Gerard would probably rush straight into battle and he would make contact with Obito's TSBs. Though Obito would start off with Bijuudama, if it hits Gerard, he would regenerate and if it hits Hoffnung, Obito would get the damage reflected to him. Then Gerard proceeds to explain Hoffnung's special ability to Obito leading him to avoid damaging Hoffnung and vaporize Gerard with his TSBs. Also, Obito sealing Gerard wouldn't damage Hoffnung. Or Obito could just cleave Hoffnung in half. Although, he would get the same treatment through Hoffnung's special ability, he would easily regenerate from it.
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gerard bodies low difficulty, the speed equalization is a buff for gerard either way gerard will easily regenerate i love how people act as if they would evaporate their opponent he would rip gerard valkyrie apart due to not seeing him as a challenge/threat like he did with hashirama which will trigger the miracle and that's a GG. considering how powerful that gerard is and the size of chibaku tensei this would be fairly easy to break out of.
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Obito can sense energy so he would know how strong Gerard is. Also, Gerard used the Miracle multiple times during his fight with the Shinigami and he's still likely Country level to Obito's at least Country level. Obito also used his TSBs on the Edo Kage and they were trash to him. I don't see why he wouldn't use them here. Those Bijuu got trapped in Chibaku Tensei despite their size. Aren't they at least as big as Gerard? Err, also no need for scans. They turn people to dust similar to Dust Release.
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he did not turn them to dust. he did destroy parts of their body not their entire body. gerard's head gets removed & comes back as a giant pretty sure that gerard valkyrie is superior to the biju.Burning Full Fingers said:
even if he destroys his entire body then that would destroy hoffnung aswell.
in gerard's last form that we saw his power was unmatched his power cant be calculated.
as far as i can see this would end in gerard valkyrie winning genjutsu wouldn't have any effect either since gerard valkyrie has a sixth sense.
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The Miracle is tricky. Even if Obito destroys Hoffnug he can regenerate. Chibaku Tensei may not work for two reasons. One Gerard could brake Hoffnug and make himself bigger to escape. Two Yhwach augmented the gravity on the royal realm and Gerard was still able to fly freely, the gravitation pull may not be enough. But the TSB should do the trick.
My Vote goes to Obito.
My Vote goes to Obito.
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gerard regenrated out of energy alone (which is at atomic/subatomic) lvl, so i dont see obito winning this without BFR...
i go with gerard mid diff
i go with gerard mid diff
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his body pieces turned into energy and than reformed into gerard,
that means that his body can reconstruct itself even if it is destroyed at atomic/subatomic lvl...
that means that his body can reconstruct itself even if it is destroyed at atomic/subatomic lvl...
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^his legs simply got incorporated into his healing body but here: http://www.***********.net/bleach/672/7 you can clearly see that his new body doesnt come from his legs recreating the body, they ceom from the flesh tha turned into energy...
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The Edo Kage are clearly different. Everyone else were scrambling to get away from any TSB in sight. Sorry maybe I confused you but I was referring to their size and not power.
Hoffnung isn't part of his body. It's just a weapon. If Obito even nicks Hoffnung, Gerard will explain its special ability to him leaving him to avoid it or just cleave it into half like Hitsugaya.
His power was unmatched but he's still likely Country level.
Actually, thank you for reminding me about genjutsu. Obito can use that to incapacitate Gerard. He doesn't have any feat with reikaku to suggest he would be unaffected by Obito's genjutsu. It's like saying Itachi's genjutsu wouldn't work on Kabuto because he has a sixth sense. We all know how Kabuto fought against him and Sasuke.
Also, again Obito can knock him out with Wood Release or suppress his energy with a Wood Dragon. He can spam them if needed. He has a severe versatility advantage over Gerard. His precognition and smaller size will make it hard for Gerard to hit him. He couldn't even hit Byakuya and Tōshirō in his strongest form. They were evading his attacks and talking at the same time. Don't see how he's going to have a good time attempting to do so against Obito. Also, he can't even bypass Obito's Regenerationn in the first place. Obito has various ways to defeat Gerard while Gerard's options are severely limited in comparison.
Hoffnung isn't part of his body. It's just a weapon. If Obito even nicks Hoffnung, Gerard will explain its special ability to him leaving him to avoid it or just cleave it into half like Hitsugaya.
His power was unmatched but he's still likely Country level.
Actually, thank you for reminding me about genjutsu. Obito can use that to incapacitate Gerard. He doesn't have any feat with reikaku to suggest he would be unaffected by Obito's genjutsu. It's like saying Itachi's genjutsu wouldn't work on Kabuto because he has a sixth sense. We all know how Kabuto fought against him and Sasuke.
Also, again Obito can knock him out with Wood Release or suppress his energy with a Wood Dragon. He can spam them if needed. He has a severe versatility advantage over Gerard. His precognition and smaller size will make it hard for Gerard to hit him. He couldn't even hit Byakuya and Tōshirō in his strongest form. They were evading his attacks and talking at the same time. Don't see how he's going to have a good time attempting to do so against Obito. Also, he can't even bypass Obito's Regenerationn in the first place. Obito has various ways to defeat Gerard while Gerard's options are severely limited in comparison.
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^his body isnt growing out of the legs,
his flesh literally turns into energy and forms his upgraded body incorporating the legs...
his flesh literally turns into energy and forms his upgraded body incorporating the legs...
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Didn't Gerard only get blown to pieces? Which is why his Regenerationn is High-Mid.
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the pieces turned into energy and reformed his upgraded body: http://www.***********.net/bleach/672/7
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Actually no idea.... quite a toss up.
And yeah. AppleLord is right on this. Although I still can't help but feel like Gerard is on the advantage here
And yeah. AppleLord is right on this. Although I still can't help but feel like Gerard is on the advantage here
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Sorry I don't really understand manga panels like that, but how does that change the fact that his Regenerationn is High-Mid?
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yeah, i never said he can regen out of nothing,AppleLord said:
but TSB isnt turning something into nothing, it destroys them on molecular lvl, someone who can turn his body into energy is at atomic to subatomic lvl, that means that even if his body is destroyed to molecular lvls it wouldnt stop him...
@burning
i dont really know the extents for high-mid lvl healing, what exactly does that include?
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Man, I don't understand Regenerationn stuff. Like I was told someone with High-Mid Regenerationn on a molecular level would survive being vaporized on a cellular level. Still, I don't believe the sub atomic stuff. Maybe if it's accepted in a Content Revision board, we can go from there.
It's from getting smashed to pieces or something like that.
Also, it's not like TSBs are Obito's only option when he has other techniques and Gerard won't really tag him or get past his Regenerationn.
It's from getting smashed to pieces or something like that.
Also, it's not like TSBs are Obito's only option when he has other techniques and Gerard won't really tag him or get past his Regenerationn.
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yes, because he is killed at molecular lvl which doesnt matter for him since his body went into a energy-like state and than back into a upgraded form...AppleLord said:
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That's a NLF Gerard did not show Regenerationn of that level. Provide us with a scan of his whole body regenerating after been completely killed at molecular level. Or better yet explain why didn't he regenerated after Yhwach took his skin, he still has his bones to regenerated.GreatestSin said:
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^1) i already showed the scans, his flesh turned into energy and recreated his body, that means that his flesh can still recombine itself even if it destroyed on atomic lvls...
2) ywach didnt take the skin of gerard, he took gerards power, that is a totally different thing...
2) ywach didnt take the skin of gerard, he took gerards power, that is a totally different thing...
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That scans still show piece of his body lying around and him attaching himself to them. Provide one where there's nothing left of his body, you're claiming that he can come back from energy alone which is not the case.GreatestSin said:
He was left skinless. If he took Gerard's powers how come other Quincy still use their powers after Auswhalen? The fact that he didn't regenerated means his power has a limit. Why didn't he regenerated his body from energy again.
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this is the scan i already showed twice: http://www.***********.net/bleach/672/7 you can clearly see how the flesh turns into energy and comes together for a new body, his flesh turns into energy and recreates his body, unless it is turned into nothing, destroyed by some kind of hax (like having his power stolen) OR destroyed on subatomic lvls gerard will come back...AppleLord said:
when did a quincy use his power after being hit by auswählen? (and amlad22 mentioned too, ywach took his powers so he lost his ability)
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I can still see parts of his body. If you're not gonna provide evidence i'll say that is a NLF to say otherwise. Gerard didn't show feats of what I'm saying.
All of the Quincy who went through Auswhalen could still use their powers. Except for Robert who died instantly for some reason.
All of the Quincy who went through Auswhalen could still use their powers. Except for Robert who died instantly for some reason.
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^you can see the body parts turn into energy and than coming together to form a new body, i dont see how else i can explain this...
here the scans as explanation, seems like auwählen alone doesnt kill the user unless they are to weak themselfes: http://www.***********.net/bleach/537/9 and http://www.***********.net/bleach/537/10, in any case, it shows the gerard lost his powers and died because of that (his body was destroyed and he lived only because of his ability)...
here the scans as explanation, seems like auwählen alone doesnt kill the user unless they are to weak themselfes: http://www.***********.net/bleach/537/9 and http://www.***********.net/bleach/537/10, in any case, it shows the gerard lost his powers and died because of that (his body was destroyed and he lived only because of his ability)...
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^yes, the body parts, who can turn into energy and reform a upgrade body :/
please show me scans of what you mean, gerard obviously lost his powers, the "weak" thing applies to people surviving auswählen or not, but in gerards case it didnt matter since his whole body was kept alive thanks to his ability, and without his ability he died...
please show me scans of what you mean, gerard obviously lost his powers, the "weak" thing applies to people surviving auswählen or not, but in gerards case it didnt matter since his whole body was kept alive thanks to his ability, and without his ability he died...
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in which chapter was that?AppleLord said:
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