Obi-Wan Kenobi CRT.

[TheCosmicHealer]

This is a CRT for Obi-Wan Kenobi. This CRT includes additions, justifications/explanations to abilities/resistances and new abilities/resistances to his profile.

To Start: Obi-Wan has no Justifications for any of his Existing Abilities and i want to fix that, so this includes the following things:

• Justification for his Precognition will be: The Force warns him of where a blaster bolt is going to strike. Source: Matthew Stover, Revenge of the Sith, pg. 170
• Justification for his Telekinesis will be: He casually disarms two combatants.
• Justification for his Telekinetic Blasts wil be: His Force push is strong enough to easily disable multiple battle droids (Although again, I believe Telekinetic Blasts and Telekinesis should be combined on his profile since it’s essentially the same ability and serves the same purpose, but in case it doesn’t get accepted i still believe that it should have a justification).
• Justification for his Mind Manipulation wil be: Gets a death sticks salesman to go home and rethink his life.
• Justification for his Enhanced Senses wil be: Senses that Ventress is in the room with him This is especially impressive because she was using a technique that Dooku had taught her that conceals her from being sensed by force users. Obi-Wan’s Force Senses work Cross-dimensional.
• Justification for his Lightsaber combat skills, skilled swordsman wil be: Mace Windu considers Obi-Wan to be the master of Soresu. (Source: Matthew Stover, Revenge of the Sith, pg. 169).
• Justification for his Skilled unarmed combatant wil be: Takes on Jango Fett hand-to-hand Jango is a legendary bounty hunter, who in Legends killed six Jedi while unarmed. a decent hand to hand fighter.
• Adding Justification to his Energy Manipulation: Obi-Wan deflects several bolts from Durge, and then a flamethrower.
• Adding Justification to his Resistance to Poison Manipulation: Obi-Wan Kenobi keeps fighting with Asajj Ventress and Durge despite being under the influence of a poisonous gas that took a Jedi Master, Glaive, all his considerable strength just to keep said gas from melting his lungs.

Secondly: i want to add New additions to his profile these include abilities/resistances (with justifications):

• Adding Healing: Heals Himself: Works on healing his arm mid-fight (Source: Jude Watson, Jedi Quest: Path to Truth). And Others: Heals a woman of Dantomite Poisoning and a man who was gravely injured in an explosion (Source: Karen Miller, Clone Wars Gambit: Seige pg 174 – 176, 177)
• Adding Invisibility/Stealth Mastery (Not sure if this is already in the profile, but if it is I’m unsure if this ability is Invisibility or Stealth Mastery): Obi-Wan and Anakin use it to hide themselves from Separatists. (Source: Karen Miller, Clone Wars Gambit: Stealth, pg 230)
• Adding Animal Manipulation: Via Beast Control: Obi-wan uses this ability to calm down a group of ravenous gutkurrs.
• Adding Extrasensory Perception: This is a common Force Ability for other Force Users, even the ones that are less powerful then him.
• Adding Incorporeality, Intangibility, and Immortality (Type 1, and 7): Like Luke Skywalker in Episode IX. After Obi-Wan‘s Death on the Death Star in Episode IV. Like his Jedi masters before him, Obi-Wan was also able to retain his consciousness as a Force spirit. Force Ghosts don’t possess a Physical Form and are pure Force Energy. Force Ghosts are Dead Jedi, who have learned to continue existing after Dying and Because of this they can eternally exist in the otherworld of the Force.
• Adding Acrobatics: Obi-Wan jumps a tremendous vertical distance.
• Adding Technology Manipulation/Magnetism Manipulation: Obi-Wan manipulates Grievous's hand into dropping his and Anakin's lightsabers.
• Adding Water Manipulation: Obi-Wan manipulates every molecule of water in an area, binding it to form a massive black wave.
• Possibly adding Metal or Heat Manipulation?: Obi-Wan uses "Force Death-Blow", a type of telekinetic attack, to one-shot Anakin Skywalker, though it should be noted Anakin was under the influence of a mind-controlling, liquid metal, and was hardly himself and wasn't defending himself. Obi-Wan proceeds to manipulate that liquid metal, hurling it at the scientist who created it.
• Adding Resistance to Mind Control/Mind Manipulation: He (and all jedi) is immune to the mind control device Omnino is using.
• Adding Resistance to Memory Manipulation: A device that erases memories doesn’t work on him.
• Adding Resistance to Corruption: Obi-Wan Kenobi, while injured, resists a potent Dark Side nexus.
• Can detect beings who are in Stealth: Seen here and here.
• Can make himself Immovable (Not sure what this falls under, but nevertheless).

Sourcing Stats from the AP, Speed, Durability, etc.

Sourcing Telekinetically stalemated Anakin during their duel on Mustafar with: This.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I agree!

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Agree for all of these

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Seems legit.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Precog link is dead.

Force ghost should be a separate key.

Other than that, everything checks out.

 

[Antvasima]

@Soldier_Blue @Js250476 @CinnabarManx421 @SinsofMan @SheevShezarrine @Edenstar @ArgosaxDespair @Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan @LordTracer

What do you think about this?

 

[LordTracer]

This all seems good to me.

 

[SheevShezarrine]

Agree

 

[Hellbeast]

This seems good

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for the replies.

This can probably be applied then.

 

[Lonkitt]

Uh, it's not just any Death Sticks salesman. That's Elan Sel'Sabagno
For real though, nice finds

 

[Eficiente]

Many of this comes from the Legends continuity and cannot simply be added in a profile that shares both it and the disney one. A new profile should be made, as it would be ugly to put everything in the same profile and then point out which thing goes for which continuity.

 

[aeneax]

Many of this comes from the Legends continuity and cannot simply be added in a profiles that shares both it and the disney one. A new profile should be made, as it would be ugly to put everything in the same profile and then point out which thing goes for which continuity.

This. Separated profiles for separated continuities are long overdue.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Not every profile needs to be separated I would think. Characters like Ahsoka have absolutely no Legends presence and having an entire page for her Legends counterpart would make very little sense.

 

[Eficiente]

Well, sorry but I disagree. Given their powers and abilities, it becomes an obstruction having to share both continuities if one wants to elaborate their scale and feats, they would need to move what they write at the end of the P&A after a " | ", or create a tabber only for what they felt like writting, which if it's little it will look bad, and they should preferably look up what much should remain in the disney canon from what was already in the profile or what new they will add to it. Also things like pics from Ahsoka won't be really faithful to her Legends counterpart as they show a future she doesn't have in that continuity, summaries would also either lie or need to oversimplified.

 

[Lonkitt]

I'd say it comes down to case by case. Characters like Boba Fett really don't need a Legends page since the keys are enough, but I'd argue guys like Vader do

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

agreed

 

[Eficiente]

I'd say it comes down to case by case. Characters like Boba Fett really don't need a Legends page since the keys are enough, but I'd argue guys like Vader do

Canon Boba needs to have Electricity Manipulation & Technology Manipulation as he built a bioenergy disrupter on his fibercord whip (Star Wars: Bounty Hunters issue 5), Legends Boba can see in 360° from his helmet, to give an example. There would need to be really minor characters to not have 2 profiles, and even then that may just discourage people from trying to improve those profiles themselves.

 

[Lonkitt]

I do agree that either way these profiles do need some significant improvements

 

[Sir_Ovens]

It's not uncommon for profiles to have alternate incarnations of the same character. League of Legends profiles do this well. I don't see why Star Wars can't follow suit.

 

[Antvasima]

So which Star Wars profile pages most need to be separated into two continuities?

 

[Antvasima]

Also, have the accepted changes been applied to Obi-Wan Kenobi?

 

[Hellbeast]

It's not uncommon for profiles to have alternate incarnations of the same character. League of Legends profiles do this well. I don't see why Star Wars can't follow suit.

We’re planning that actually

So which Star Wars profile pages most need to be separated into two continuities?

I can tell you Rn most of the big ones will be

Characters like Vader will get several keys to account for their growth in both continuities (Legends Vader surpasses himself with each film in the Original Trilogy and Canon Vader has at least two keys) and characters like the Fetts could get it solely because of the continuity stuff. We see Boba become Mandalore and have a vastly different final fate compared to his Canon counterpart and we see similar stuff with Durge (who has finally returned)

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Noted.

 

[aeneax]

I think that every Legends profile that needs two or more keys should be completely separated (pretty much every relevant Force user). Profiles that'll have lengthy tier justifications, such as Jango's or Boba's would look better if separated as well--as of now, they are missing a lot of stuff.

There is a case to be made for Grievous-even though he can't experience power growth and doesn't receive new cybernetics enhancements-he's an absolute monster in the Clone Wars multimedia project, but the 08s TCW turned him into a bitch.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that every Legends profile that needs two or more keys should be completely separated (pretty much every relevant Force user). Profiles that'll have lengthy tier justifications, such as Jango's or Boba's would look better if separated as well--as of now, they are missing a lot of stuff.

Probably, yes.

 

[Eficiente]

On a similar note, I had this much to apport on SW but between having to add it myself on profiles and have some other people to do the job of navigating through profiles with both continuities in them to add everything, both options suck and I figure it was best to just wait the continuities to be split. Little that I knew this was of no priority for most.

 

[Antvasima]

Eh? I am personally for splitting the pages if possible.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

I believe a split for relevant characters is fine, but random fodder Jedi with barely any difference between Disney and EU should remain as a single profile.

 

[Eficiente]

Eh? I am personally for splitting the pages if possible.

I meant as in, the idea was thrown around at the time of the last movie but it never came to be.

I believe a split for relevant characters is fine, but random fodder Jedi with barely any difference between Disney and EU should remain as a single profile.

They all scale to basic things the Force gives to them that has a certain high scale and many feats in Legends while that's not much the case in canon, which is either to be put in their P&A or their Notable Attacks/Techniques (The latter already having Legends stuff for years nobody fixed), and it wouldn't really look good that have both things separated.

Disney: "Enhanced Senses", no more info

Legends: "Enhanced Senses & Extrasensory Perception (The Force has allowed its users to feel emotions [excitement, pain, anger, rage, fear, hatred], danger [including mortal danger and that of others], frenzy, death, someone's intent to slaughter, presences of targets [even droids], echoes of the presences of beings that used to be in the place in which the user is, the focus in a target's eyes, how someone hides information in an interrogation, powerful things, patience, trust, conflict, worry, malice on others, anxiety, panic, exhaustion, ill intent [even if slightest], how much it's costing someone to do something, etc. However, it's not guaranteed that they would feel any of this in situations where they could, only that they might, and more notable, skilled users of the Force are more likely to sense things more often, as well as the more complex ones)" =~= or something like that, same with all other powers.

 

[Hellbeast]

I think that every Legends profile that needs two or more keys should be completely separated (pretty much every relevant Force user). Profiles that'll have lengthy tier justifications, such as Jango's or Boba's would look better if separated as well--as of now, they are missing a lot of stuff.

Agreed

There is a case to be made for Grievous-even though he can't experience power growth and doesn't receive new cybernetics enhancements-he's an absolute monster in the Clone Wars multimedia project, but the 08s TCW turned him into a bitch.

Eh I'd say more of a jobber then anything else
Greivous should definitely have a separate profile tho, his backstory is completely different and his personality is either interchangeable or incredibly different. As for keys he might, TCW (WHICH IS BOTH CANON AND LEGENDS) treats him as roughly relative to Obi-Wan Kenobi but then they fight roughly on par during ROTS after Grievous was ambushed and wounded by Mace Windu (I believe there's reference to the force amping him at one point)

I meant as in, the idea was thrown around at the time of the last movie but it never came to be.

Less that it nver came to be but was more part of a larger revision

Disney: "Enhanced Senses", no more info

I'm fairly certain we could give them Extrasensory Perception as well, we regularly see Force Users sense emotions in Canon and I know Palpatine senses Anakin is in danger during Episode III's Mustafar battle

Legends: "Enhanced Senses & Extrasensory Perception (The Force has allowed its users to feel emotions [excitement, pain, anger, rage, fear, hatred], danger [including mortal danger and that of others], frenzy, death, someone's intent to slaughter, presences of targets [even droids], echoes of the presences of beings that used to be in the place in which the user is, the focus in a target's eyes, how someone hides information in an interrogation, powerful things, patience, trust, conflict, worry, malice on others, anxiety, panic, exhaustion, ill intent [even if slightest], how much it's costing someone to do something, etc. However, it's not guaranteed that they would feel any of this in situations where they could, only that they might, and more notable, skilled users of the Force are more likely to sense things more often, as well as the more complex ones)" =~= or something like that, same with all other powers.

Sounds good but a bit wordy

I believe a split for relevant characters is fine, but random fodder Jedi with barely any difference between Disney and EU should remain as a single profile.

I'm unsure which Jedi would fit this criteria

 

[Lonkitt]

I'm fairly certain we could give them Extrasensory Perception as well, we regularly see Force Users sense emotions in Canon and I know Palpatine senses Anakin is in danger during Episode III's Mustafar battle

I'm pretty sure there's a fair amount of moments that support this shared in both Legends and Canon

 

[Antvasima]

So are any of you willing to help out with splitting the profile pages in practice? I would appreciate the help.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

There is also this thread that hasn't concluded.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

good crt.

 

[Hellbeast]

I suggested merging that with the current revisions since there's quite a few instances in Legends where Force Users are weaker based on emotional states (Vader is actively conflicted fighting Obi-Wan on Mustafar and in Return of the Jedi against Luke) and we see Sith grow stronger with Rage in both Canon and Legends.

Force Rage: One of the most powerful techniques taught to the Dark Jedi and Sith, it was similar to a Wookie battle cry in that it allowed an individual to unleash primal energies. When coupled with a link to the dark side of the Force, however, these energies manifested themselves as Force Rage, giving the Dark Jedi or Sith increased power for a short period of time. This alter skill was also one of the most demanding of the dark arts, as it drained huge amounts of energy from the individual using it.

-- The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Force Rage actively lets Dark Jedi and Sith Lords channel powerful, primal energies in combat and we see characters like Anakin go from fighting Dooku evenly to outright annihilating him in combat or Luke overwhelming a held back Vader in Jedi.

We also see Force Users like Obi-Wan and Kanan Jarrus grow stronger when letting the Force guide them (the former in the Legends ROTS novel apparently and the latter in Rebels Season 1) and it seems focusing lets Jedi use their abilities more effectively in and out of combat (no quote for this tho). Either way there's solid evidence for the Force Practitioners having a Variable tier. It'd also help to account for the huge variance between different media that we see with Force Users (TCW and the films versus The Force Unleashed).

You also have characters entering "Oneness" like Luke (in Fate of the Jedi i think?) and Starkiller against Palpatine (in the first game's novelization) which you could treat as part of the variance (I definitely think it should be a separate key tho).

 

[aeneax]

there's quite a few instances in Legends where Force Users are weaker based on emotional states (Vader is actively conflicted fighting Obi-Wan on Mustafar and in Return of the Jedi against Luke)

Luke overwhelming a held back Vader in Jedi

 

[Hellbeast]

Hey it's one showing for something

 

[Js250476]

This seems alright with me and I believe any Force user with significant differences getting a separate profile is fine if they aren’t different enough to warrant one then keeping them as they are is okay with me.

 

[ArgosaxDespair]

Additions are fine