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Nyx (Marvel Comics) addition to the Wiki

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@DarkDragonMedeus Okay, I'll change it! And Thank you for telling me @Elizhaa, I'll read those pages before making the profile. Also, thank you for checking the abilities

Seeing that we more or less agree in her tier, I'll do some questions about some of her abilities and stuff that I don't have clear. When I have clarified my doubts, I will be practically ready to create her profile.

1)What Nyx did to Dolos and Apate, was disintegration or transmutation?

2) About her large size, should be type 7 due being the universal embodiment of Night? If the answer is no, then I think she's just type 0.

3) Do everyone agree about her being nigh omnipresent?

4) What do you think about what I wrote about her intelligence?

5) And finally, is she older or as old as the universe? What do you think?
 
1) Do you have a scan?

2) Probably not. She was treated as a physical being in the story.

3) I am not sure if she was treated as an actual abstract concept in this story, or just a deity with an extremely strong influence over certain forces.

4) It should probably be worded better. I am also not sure how to rate her intelligence. She did not seem particularly intelligent going by her behaviour in the story.

5) What evidence do we have available for this?
 
1) Here the scan: https://2.bp.blogspot.com/yvo8INmxH...0bRTxfP2Z5yUqa1-tO-RKWYfEDN6DbchOjcWDAg=s1600

2) Okay, I'll not add it.

3) I have the same doubt. She only start to be treated as a concept at the end of the story when she was at her full power, as when Vision says Nyx is a primal aspect, but not sure. In any case, if she's a concept, its abstract existence is type 2. I'll remove the "nigh omnipresent" thing anyway. 4) Good. I'll improve it. And I have the same problem, I think she is intelligent but not to combat. Apparently she understand more or less how creation works.

5) This scan: https://2.bp.blogspot.com/XdbqI6J01...JlCyn25lpROtnt1HeFQHAuZlLVTLW9mHgo1xMug=s1600
 
1) Deconstruction then.

2) Okay.

3) Yes, it seems uncertain to use her in such a respect. In fact, there are so many uncertainties concerning her portrayal that I think it seems better to avoid creating a prpfile for her, especially as it would likely require a lot of cleanup work on your profile from me.

4) From what was shown in the story, she is just above average intelligence.

5) I am not sure. That would make Zeus older than the universe as well, which does not make any sense from what we know of the Marvel universe.
 
That is speculation. Nothing like that was mentioned in this story. All that we know is that normal Zeus beat Nyx in the past.
 
That was not the normal Zeus, it was a Zeus who had MUCH more power than now, even has scans in that topic that talks about it, this part of Zeus beating Nyx with the current powers is speculation of his part @Antvasima, including Nyx itself crushed the current Zeus.
 
To @Antvasima
1) Oh, deconstruction, I see.
3) Well, I read again the whole series and I think she's really a concept. But about this, three things can be done: Option 1: To add abstract existence and later remove it if in a later story she's not treated as an abstract. Option 2: To do exactly the opposite of what was proposed in the previous option. Or option 3: To add abstract existence, but not alone, but with a "possibly". I lean more for option 3 or 1. Also, personally I think it's not necessary not to add Nyx thanks to the uncertainties because there are not enough like to think that she's a complete mystery. There is enough information to make an accurate analysis, I think. And I promise to make a good editing work, since I'll watch the source pages of other profiles to guide myself, and even I'll post here the definitive draft of her profile, so everyone can see how will be and tell me if there's any mistake, That way I can avoid any mistake when creating it.
4) You're right about this, I'll change it.
5) Not really. First there was darkness, and Nyx was born during that darkness. Later, the first stars appeared, and then there were many more stars, probably the galaxies had already formed, and even after that, Zeus was born. In any case, Nyx is like millions of times older than Zeus, since Zeus is the son of Gaea, who isn't older than Nyx.

Whatever your decision is, I appreciate that you take the time to analyze this. You have been quite helpful.
 
@Alonik

I don't remember it being stated that Zeus is weaker now. Can you show the scans please?

@Daniel

3) I suppose that "Possibly Abstract Existence" should probably be fine.

5) Good point. I suppose that you are correct.

No problem. I am very busy though, and spreading myself thin due to the sheer number of topics that I have to handle.

@All

So would the rest of you be fine with "At least 2-C" for Nyx, scaling off that she killed Zeus, as destroying all the stars in the universe without an explosion is probably just a 4-A feat, and she was not using her own independent power when planning to rewrite the multiverse from The One Above All's house of power?
 
Well, I think that she was just going to rewrite the multiverse, so "High 1-B in The One Above All's house of power" seems more reasonable to me.
 
In Marvel some of them have been treated as powerful avatars of conceptual entities, in the case of Mikaboshi and possibly Nyx, and in other cases they are just treated as powerful superhumans or borderline cosmic entities.
 
That might be an idea, yes.
 
I think that "at least high 1-B" it better that only at least 2-C.

I understand, but, the gods don't are avatar of cosmic being. You remember when the gods born? The gods born as part of two thing after the creation of "Marvel Universe". The human mind and the substance of Demiurge

Mikaboshi is not fully god, Mikaboshi is what exist before Gaea and Demiurge create Marvel Universe, with other gods.

The gods powers come of belief. Gods losted worshipers .

In modern world, old gods don't have worshipers. Storm itself were born for replace the gods. When Nyx said: "Their words and symbols shaped Zeus and his children--ever more, ever growing--into heroes."

Nix talk about belief, the myths and poesy about gods.

Old Zeus is stronger than current Zeus.
 
Well, given how ridiculously inconsistent Marvel is, I much prefer explicit statements that the Earthly deities are all abstract entities over speculation.

I think that we have to gauge them individually based on their feats, rather than en masse.
 
Well, we still cannot automatically give them any higher statistics than what they have demonstrated individually. It would be far too inconsistent.
 
Yes, I don't want all gods at least 2-C or above. I think that we can add in his profile abstract existence(Without interferance with scale of power). Also, the skyfather, and elder gods need a update. But here not is better place for this.
 
Okay. Thank you for being reasonable.
 
Yes, @antvasima, I've seen how you're like everywhere here. Continuing with the topic, I'll write that she's older than the universe and keep the "possibly" the talking about her abstract existence.

And, okay, I see that everything here is practically solved, so later I will post the final draft, as I said. Only one last question. Do you think it's necessary to add what is her tier when she was controlling the power of the house? Or is it better to simply mention her tier with her own power?
 
Well, since Nyx is going to be just like High 1-B, is TOAA also going to be readjusted to High 1-B? Nyx was on the same plane that TOAA exists, which is beyond Oblivio itself. And there is where the primal shape of Nyx stay. It has no coherence either of them being 1-A and the other being High 1-B. Either the two are High 1-B, or the two are 1-A.

Nyx 1-A
 
Just because she was in the "House of Ideas" should not automatically make her capable of channeling an 1-A level of power. Also, a primal aspect of reality is just an abstract entity with dominion over a certain area. It is unrelated to the OAA's house.
 
False, your assertion is a speculation upon the scan. At Scan argues that that plan is where Nyx's most powerful form is as a primal aspect of that plan of one above all.

Ascended now to her full power as a primal aspect. And I am only myself...
~ Narratio​
The dwelling space of the fundamental creative force of this reality. The one above all Others...
~ Nyx​
That "space" that lies in the House of Ideas is where its most powerful form meets, so concretely must have a key 1-A to this form of Nyx.
 
I did not read it that way at all. She ascended to her true stature due to incorporating all pieces of herself, but since the last one was in the House of Ideas, she took the opportunity to use the House's power to rewrite the universe to a place of darkness without sentient life.
 
Yes, she took advantage of that power, but she's also beyond all what marvel calls multiverse. And by context it was not only the universe itself, but it altered all the history of Marvel (House of Ideas).
 
We do not know that at all. A primal aspect usually means the embodiment of a concept in the universe or multiverse. We saw no demonstration of her full power without the house.

Can we permanently drop this issue please? I am far too tired and busy to continue to argue about it, will not ever accept a 1-A regular Nyx, and think that we should just apply the standards that we agreed about.
 
When Nyx entered to the house she already had the three fragments of the night inside her, so before entering she was already at her maximum. Remember, there were 3 fragments, one was taken from Scarlet Witch, the other one was taken from Hulk and the last one was given by Euphoria.

Even though some things could be interpreted in a different way, I think Nyx by herself is not even high 1-B, because if she was, why enter to the house then? She needed to be inside the House and control the creative forces inside it to be able to recreate the entire multiverse, and that's why she entered, because by herself she can't do that. That's how I interpreted it. To me, the best it's to keep it in "At least 2-C, possibly far higher". Later stories will tell us how much higher she really is.
 
I removed her ability of having children without procreating. If you think it's better to add it again, I can do it. Here the draft, obviously without the profile picture. If there's any mistake, I can fix it, just tell me.




How can you stop me? How can you do anything but watch? I am mankind's first darkness. I am midnight and moonrise. I am a primal being, greater than gods... What are you?
~ "Nyx, Goddess of Night"​


Summary
Nyx is the goddess of night of the greek pantheon. She was the main villain of the Avengers: No Road Home series. After being freed from her imprisonment, she sought revenge against the Olympians to later bring an endless night to all reality.

Powers and Stats
Tier: At least 2-C. At least High 1-B inside of the House of Ideas.

Name: Nyx, Goddess of Night, Mother of Night, Queen of Night

Origin: Marvel Comics

Gender: Female

Age: Older than the universe

Classification: Goddess, Primal Being

Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, possibly Abstract Existence (type 2), Immortality (type 1, 3 and possibly 8), Regenerationn (Low-Godly When she was burned by the fire of imagination, she said she was defeated, but not killed. It is implied that she can return. She said that she will always be), Large Size (type 0), Intangibility, Status Effect Inducement ( Can make people lose their sight), Forcefield Creation (She locked the Avengers inside one), Enhanced Senses, Deconstruction (Killed Dolos and Apate doing this), Telepathy, Summoning, (Can summon her moon shield) Attack Reflection (The moon shield can reflect light attacks) Non-Physical Interaction (Can touch energy as it was solid), Able to create minions with darkness (As shown here), Energy Manipulation, Power Nullification (It only works with powers related to the night. She revoked the night to the Hulk), Teleportation (At her full power, she can teleport without help of Voyager)

Attack Potency: At least Low Multiverse level (She caused an endless night in the entire universe, even inside of the stars. While she was weakened, she could kill Zeus) possibly far higher (She's a primal aspect and greater than gods. She said that she's the other side of the bright story that Marvel is). At least High Hyperverse level inside of the House of Ideas (She was controlling the fundamental creative forces to make a new, dark multiverse)

Speed: Massively FTL+ (Scaling from Zeus)

Lifting Strength: Unknown. Possibly Class Y (She was holding Zeus by the neck and he couldn't shake her off)

Striking Strength: Low Multiversal

Durability: Low Multiverse level

Stamina: Godlike (Scaling from Zeus)

Range: Multiversal+ (Scaling from Zeus)

Standard Equipment: The moon shield.

Intelligence: Above average intelligence.

Weaknesses: Light. Despite being older than the universe, she doesn't possess any fighting experience. Overconfident.
 
Well, somebody needs to clean up the structure and grammar of what you wrote before it is submitted.
 
How can you stop me? How can you do anything but watch? I am mankind's first darkness. I am midnight and moonrise. I am a primal being, greater than gods... What are you?
~ Nyx,Goddess of Night​
Summary

Nyx is the goddess of night of the greek pantheon. She was the main villain of the Avengers: No Road Home series, where, after being freed from her imprisonment by Zeus, she sought revenge against the Olympians to later bring the night to all of reality.

Powers and Stats
Tier: At least 2-C, at least High 1-B inside of the House of Ideas

Name: Name: Nyx, Goddess of Night, Mother of Night, Queen of Night

Origin: Marvel Comics

Gender: Female

Age: Older than the universe

Classification: Goddess, Primal Being

Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, possibly Abstract Existence (type 2), Immortality (type 1, 3 and possibly 8), Regenerationn (Low-Godly When she was burned by the fire of imagination, she said she was defeated, but not killed. It is implied that she can return. She said that she will always be), Large Size (type 0), Intangibility, Status Effect Inducement (can tur people blind), Forcefield Creation (She locked the Avengers inside one), Enhanced Senses, Deconstruction (Killed Dolos and Apate doing this), Telepathy, Summoning, (Can summon her moon shield) Attack Reflection (The moon shield can reflect light attacks) Non-Physical Interaction (Can touch energy as it was solid), Capable of creating minions with her dark manipulation (As shown here), Energy Manipulation, Power Nullification (It only works with powers related to the night. She took out the night from the Hulk), Teleportation (At her full power she can teleport without help of Voyager)

Attack Potency: At least Low Multiverse level (caused an endless night in all the universe even inside of the stars Even when weakened, she could kill Zeus), possibly far higher (She's a primal aspect and greater than gods. She said that she is the other side of the bright story). At least High Hyperverse level inside of the House of Ideas (She was controlling the fundamental creative forces of the multiverse to create a new, dark one)

Speed: Massively FTL+ (Scaling from Zeus)

Lifting Strength: Unknow Possibly Class Y (https://2.bp.blogspot.com/ziT5WWiGu...sHfjK-_5C2OeldG4m0L8Jw1Z3vtJd5NS-iScRSg=s1600 She was holding Zeus by the neck and he couldn't shake her off)

Striking Strength: At least Low Multiversal

Durability: At least Low Multiverse level

Stamina: Godlike (scaling from Zeus)

Range: Multiversal+ (scaling from Zeus)

Standard Equipment: The moon shield.

Intelligence: Above Average

Weaknesses: Light. Despite being older than the universe, she doesn't possess any fighting experience because, before killing Zeus, she didn't like to fight. Overconfident.
 
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