Nuclear Weapon Attack Potency and Tier

[Pepper14832]

Since I have created characters who are also countries I have been being questioned on some of the country's tiers due to their real life nuclear arsenal.

America and Russia are at Tier 6-C with their nuclear arsenals.

The rest are at 7-A

Some users state that the tiering of nuclear weapons are currently outdated.

So, just throwing this out here.


https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/490749

 

[Antvasima]

I would also appreciate specific numbers in terms of megatons regarding the sum total nuclear capacities of the major countries of Earth.

 

[Pepper14832]

I would also appreciate specific numbers in terms of megatons regarding the sum total nuclear capacities of the major countries of Earth.

Found one for US. This is a 2014 article. So should be pretty up to date.

The United States' 2,150 deployed (operational) nuclear weapons have a total yield of around 1027 megatons, enough to completely level an area with a circumference of 6575km.

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/ne...-Destroy-Itself-Four-Times-20140914-0033.html

Now, this isn't the US full capability. The US has around 5000-5100 as of 2009 by the DOD. So roughly speaking, one could just multiply the megatons by 2 and the circumference. But of course I'm just speaking generally not factually. Probably not right anyways.

 

[Pepper14832]

I found something good here.


https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Nuclearweaponswhohaswhat

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

so total US nuclear weapons = 7100

output of 2150 deployed weapons = 1027 megatons


total US nuclear output = (total weapons/ deployed weapons)*(output of deployed weapons = 3.382 gigatons

other estimates for the number of weapons would give a slightly different value, however, all possible answers would point to the small island+ AP range for US and russia

meanwhile, nuclear firepower would be at least city level+ to mountain level for france and britain (i personally think it is most likely mountain level for these two)

 

[Lina_Shields]

If the US has 7100 nukes, and 2150 of those have a total yield of 1027 megatons.

• Total yield = (7100/2150)*(1,027,000,000 Tons) = 3.391e9 Tons of TNT. Small Island level
• Individual yield = (1.027e9 Tons)/2150 = 477674.42 Tons of TNT. Large Town level

 

[Pepper14832]

What about when concering very small countries? Pretty sure one nuke could destroy a country the size of Monaco or even Malta

 

[Lina_Shields]

I don't think just one nuclear bomb can destroy an entire country, when they were only known for destroying cities at best.

 

[Pepper14832]

Even the largest 300kt nuclear weapon France has designed would destroy Monaco though. The Tsar Bomba would be overkill. Malta would also be effectively destroyed. Or Liechtenstien. I suggest using this simulator I found online and comparing the bombs on these countries


http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

 

[SomebodyData]

Despite being named as country and city level, our tiers and AP levels have distinct ranges for their highest and lowest required values.

Lina is following said system, and those are the stats

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

Even the largest 300kt nuclear weapon France has designed would destroy Monaco though. The Tsar Bomba would be overkill. Malta would also be effectively destroyed. Or Liechtenstien. I suggest using this simulator I found online and comparing the bombs on these countries

http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

lol those wont destroy monaco, heck they wont even properly destroy a city

they can destroy important parts of the capital and irradiate a city to make it hard to acess

hence causing disorder throughout the country

please look at our attack potency charts

300 kT is large town level

 

[Pepper14832]

Even the largest 300kt nuclear weapon France has designed would destroy Monaco though. The Tsar Bomba would be overkill. Malta would also be effectively destroyed. Or Liechtenstien. I suggest using this simulator I found online and comparing the bombs on these countries

http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

lol those wont destroy monaco, heck they wont even properly destroy a city
they can destroy important parts of the capital and irradiate a city to make it hard to acess

hence causing disorder throughout the country

please look at our attack potency charts

300 kT is large town level

Fine. But American and Russian arsenals surely would be able to. I must note that 1 nuclear missile carries around 5-12 warheads, one of these on targeting the entire country of Monaco , Liechtenstein, Luxembourg or Malta will pretty much destroy it. If I am mistaken then okay.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

well the biggest bomb ever tested was 50 megatons (city level)- but thats the case with russia and there is no indication that any regular nuke even comes close

even low multi megaton nukes are considered powerful, so loading a dozen 2 megaton or 3 megaton nukes into a pack will still be citty level - for one given attack

if the US empties its nuke capacity in one go, it will be giving off roughly 3.4 gigatons worth in TNT (maybe plus or minus aseveral megatons)- this corresponds to a small island+ attack potency on our charts- hence why i think US' attack potency should be changed to small island+

 

[Pepper14832]

well the biggest bomb ever tested was 50 megatons (city level)- but thats the case with russia and there is no indication that any regular nuke even comes close
even low multi megaton nukes are considered powerful, so loading a dozen 2 megaton or 3 megaton nukes into a pack will still be citty level - for one given attack

if the US empties its nuke capacity in one go, it will be giving off roughly 3.4 gigatons worth in TNT (maybe plus or minus aseveral megatons)- this corresponds to a small island+ attack potency on our charts- hence why i think US' attack potency should be changed to small island+

Well, the attack potency chart does not state that a country's size makes any difference. I am pretty sure that Russia's new Satan ll which carres up 16 40 MT nukes would destroy any of the country's I mentioned above. Pretty sure that the US Minuteman lll could also do the same. So at the very least small country.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

well the biggest bomb ever tested was 50 megatons (city level)- but thats the case with russia and there is no indication that any regular nuke even comes close
even low multi megaton nukes are considered powerful, so loading a dozen 2 megaton or 3 megaton nukes into a pack will still be citty level - for one given attack

if the US empties its nuke capacity in one go, it will be giving off roughly 3.4 gigatons worth in TNT (maybe plus or minus aseveral megatons)- this corresponds to a small island+ attack potency on our charts- hence why i think US' attack potency should be changed to small island+

Well, the attack potency chart does not state that a country's size makes any difference. I am pretty sure that Russia's new Satan ll which carres up 16 40 MT nukes would destroy any of the country's I mentioned above. Pretty sure that the US Minuteman lll could also do the same. So at the very least small country.

yeah- about that, in order to translate the energy needed to destroy a country or any land section for that matter, you could either calc the amount of rock pulverized/fragmented or vapourized, or if its a nuke explosion, then you can use this

 

[Antvasima]

@The Living Tribunal1 Would you be willing to appropriately adjust the tiers for the Axis Powers Hetalia characters?

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

@The Living Tribunal1 Would you be willing to appropriately adjust the tiers for the Axis Powers Hetalia characters?

well if you agree with the changes, then i will do so

for the record: russia and US will be high 7-A due to this

now the changes also need to be made for france and uk since as per my latest reads, most of thier wrheads fall under 100 kT range, so i will read up a little on that and then propose a tier for UK and france


but as of now i am willing to change us and russia to "High 7-A" if you are ok with it

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that is fine, yes. Although please take a look at China, Britain, and any other Hetalia profiles as well.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

thanks for the approval

i will look over information related to china, britain and france by tomorrow i think

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the help.

 

[Lina_Shields]

If the graph that is shown in the above post is true, we have

• 300 warheads for France = 477674.42*300 = 143,302,326 Tons of TNT
• 260 warheads for China = 477674.42*260 = 124,195,349 Tons of TNT
• 215 warheads for UK = 477674.42*215 = 102,700,000 Tons of TNT

(considering that 477674.42 Tons of TNT is the yield of an average nuke)

On average, the three countries listed would have just enough yield to completely demolish a mountain. However, for China, the largest single nuclear warhead that they ever tested was about 4 megatons

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

ok so sorry i forgot about this thread, but yes, overall from what i have read, britain and france and china should be at least city level+ to mountain level, so IMO, mountain or large city level seems to be a suitable tier for them

So, britain, china and france being 7-A, and labeled as "Large city level" seem fine (cuz they wud likely be near the lower range of 7-A)

and Russia and US being High 7-A and lebeled as "Small Island+" seem fine

should I make these adjustments now?

 

[Antvasima]

Yes. Feel free to do so.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

Yes. Feel free to do so.

ok, i will

 

[Antvasima]

Thanks.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

i have done so

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Should we close this thread?

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

Okay. Should we close this thread?

it would be ok by me

i dont see any more use of the thread now, so if you want to, you can close it

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.