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Not-Mega Man vs Not-Proto Man

Those are just the move names. They don't affect the weather in any way. I am voting Copy Robot because he could Incap Dark Man with Ice Slasher.
 
Well, I would argue for totallyprotoman. After all, copy robot lost to mega man, while Dark Man almost killed Rock before real Proto Man came to rescue.
 
Well, I would argue for totallyprotoman. After all, copy robot lost to mega man, while Dark Man almost killed Rock before real Proto Man came to rescue.
Mega Man's guard was down when he was confronting Dark Man because he thought Dark Man was Proto Man. Once Dark Man's true form was revealed Rock took him down like any other Robot Master.
 
You know, that's true: Dark Man 4 almost one shot Mega Man and tanked a shot from Proto Man, who fought Mega Man post-stardroid invasion, he probably has the AP advantage.

So I guess is a Hax vs AP kind of thread.
 
-200 degrees ice and 8000 degrees fire it's still notable. Not to mention the Thunder Beam was noted to short circuit several robots.
 
That's because Proto Man, probably way stronger than mega man at the time, already damaged dark man and destroyed his proto man form
That's just head canon. There's nothing there to suggest that Dark Man 4 was weakened after Proto Man destroyed his disguise. His disguise was just removed. That's it. There isn't even anything in the cutscene to suggest he was crippled or damaged. When Mega Man fights him for real, Dark Man's at full health and fights with all of his abilities yet Mega Man still wins. Besides, Proto Man is only stronger physically (Wily Castle 5 feat) and via his Big Bang Strike, but otherwise to say he's "way stronger" overall is not true. So a standard Buster shot from Proto Man isn't severely "damaging" Dark Man to the point where Mega Man beating him is less impressive.

Also, the cutscene is just there to illustrate that Mega Man refused to fight Dark Man due to his disguise and needed to be saved by Proto Man since he allowed himself to get beaten down. Mega Man definitely had his guard lowered which is why he nearly got "one-shot." It was done for the sake of the narrative (AKA plot) albeit in a weird way due to the cutscenes wanting to cut to the chase. The old Mega Man cutscenes weren't always good. Afterward, when Mega Man decides to fight, he takes the same attacks from Dark Man without issue.

Mega Man beat Dark Man fairly. That's that.
 
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But Proto Man IS way stronger than Mega Man by this point, Mega Man 5 takes place before the Stardroid invasion.
 
Yeah, so he must have been weakened. Mega Man took an amp in MMV. Proto Man fought him equally afterwards.
 
@Dante
I'm lost. How was Proto Man "way stronger"? I understand it's Pre-MMV, but still. Was it based on Mega Man 3 and how he played the role as Mega Man's guide or mentor? Or perhaps it's based on the fact he's Mega Man's senior? I mean naturally from those things alone we would logically conclude that he's vastly stronger than him, but where are the exact feats or statements that say he's much stronger overall? I have the impression he's stronger too based on the aforementioned reasons, but right now it seems like we're just assuming he is since he plays said roles for Mega Man. To make things harder, their interactions are very limited and there was the discussion we had a while ago that both of them held back in their fights. It's not clear cut who's stronger at this point. Is Proto Man more experienced and hardened? Yes. Does he have advantages that puts him above in Mega Man in some aspects? Yes. But to say who's clearly stronger than who is complicated at Pre-MMV with what little information we have concerning the two compared to each other.

@Lunge
I still don't think so. Even if Proto Man was much stronger, there still isn't anything there to suggest that Dark Man was weakened, especially when he fought Mega Man immediately after getting his disguise destroyed without issue and had full health. Also, Mega Man didn't get amped per se, he just got upgraded overall via better feats in MMV that made him stronger from that point onward.
 
@Dante
I'm lost. How was Proto Man "way stronger"? I understand it's Pre-MMV, but still. Was it based on Mega Man 3 and how he played the role as Mega Man's guide or mentor? Or perhaps it's based on the fact he's Mega Man's senior? I mean naturally from those things alone we would logically conclude that he's vastly stronger than him, but where are the exact feats or statements that say he's much stronger overall? I have the impression he's stronger too based on the aforementioned reasons, but right now it seems like we're just assuming he is since he plays said roles for Mega Man. To make things harder, their interactions are very limited and there was the discussion we had a while ago that both of them held back in their fights. It's not clear cut who's stronger at this point. Is Proto Man more experienced and hardened? Yes. Does he have advantages that puts him above in Mega Man in some aspects? Yes. But to say who's clearly stronger than who is complicated at Pre-MMV with what little information we have concerning the two compared to each other.

@Lunge
I still don't think so. Even if Proto Man was much stronger, there still isn't anything there to suggest that Dark Man was weakened, especially when he fought Mega Man immediately after getting his disguise destroyed without issue and had full health. Also, Mega Man didn't get amped per se, he just got upgraded overall via better feats in MMV that made him stronger from that point onward.
Well, he took a hit from someone much stronger than Mega Man. Makes sense.
 
It's pretty simple:

Proto Man can fight Mega Man post Stardroid invasion, and we know he wasn't modified since Mega Man 4 (He betrayed Wily, he doesn't want Light to modify him, and anything related to Cossack is headcanon), so it's clear that at least in Mega Man 5 he is much stronger than Mega Man (Which changes once Mega Man gets upgraded in Mega Man V)

The Mega Man 3 figths could simply be he holding back.
 
The thing is, Copy Robot here is basically Mega Man but weaker and less experienced than he was when he fought Dark Man. Dark's barrier and replica of the Proto Shield can also probably deflect or at least block the Ice Slasher, and Copy Robot generally likes to swap between his weapons as he fights (He copies Mega Man's chosen weapon in the original, but that's not really applicable to here).

Also, he doesn't have Beat, meaning he actually has to fight Darkman unlike everyone that played Mega Man 5
 
Yeah I have to say Dark Man takes this.

Dark Man arguably has better stats overall since he fought a more experienced and stronger Mega Man while Copy Robot fought an inexperienced and weaker Mega Man.

Copy Robot's weapons are not game-changing overall either. Hyper Bomb takes too long to blow up, Rolling Cutter has limited range and Super Arm isn't ideal for close quarters here nor is throwing large boulders too spectacular. Ice Slasher, Fire Storm and Thunder Beam are the more useful weapons here, but they all have chances of being deflected/blocked by either one of Dark Man's shields and he isn't exactly weak to any of them to say they'll do considerable damage. Dark Man doesn't have varied abilities, but at least he has an advantage in terms of stats and experience fighting a more powerful Mega Man and the abilities he DOES have (shields) are useful here.

Also, Dark Man isn't even a hard boss. I've beaten him with just the Mega Buster so anyone who uses Beat is a scrub.
 
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