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Well yeah also that.
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Well there's also the Dimension Horizon which is supposedly above La-Cryma the same La-Cryma is above all Dimensions. If that is truly the case it would be Low 1-C correct???
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Well we could wait until Seed posts the remaining episodes with the timestamps in which the Dimension Horizon is spoken of for review.
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Question, there are some Statements in the oficial Dub and non-oficial Subs that are incorect and the Original idiom show better explanation?.
also, edit: http://imgur.com/a/HvYl Cap 6
also, edit: http://imgur.com/a/HvYl Cap 6
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Before i go into episodes 23 & 24, i would like to verify something from Episode 6:
The branching of dimensions does not stop according to the Proffessor. The proccess continues for infinity. Each infinite number of dimnensions continue to branch off into infinite timelines , and with the branched off infinite number of dimensions branch off into infinite number of timelines, and the process continues for infinity according directly to her ( As she mentions the DImensions branch off infintely horizontally , but not mentioning about the branching timelines , meaning the branched timelines continue the same way as the previous for infinity ) . Would that mean that even one "Dimension" is far higher than just 2-A ? I am NOT arguing for High 1-B / 1-A as of now , but i am just curious how big this is, and if it does reach tier 1 before even mentioning La'cryma , which is above ALL POSSIBLE dimensions . This would mean that if all of the dimensions stopped branching off and met it's maximum number of dimensions , La'cryma is above that by an implied higher-dimensional value.
The branching of dimensions does not stop according to the Proffessor. The proccess continues for infinity. Each infinite number of dimnensions continue to branch off into infinite timelines , and with the branched off infinite number of dimensions branch off into infinite number of timelines, and the process continues for infinity according directly to her ( As she mentions the DImensions branch off infintely horizontally , but not mentioning about the branching timelines , meaning the branched timelines continue the same way as the previous for infinity ) . Would that mean that even one "Dimension" is far higher than just 2-A ? I am NOT arguing for High 1-B / 1-A as of now , but i am just curious how big this is, and if it does reach tier 1 before even mentioning La'cryma , which is above ALL POSSIBLE dimensions . This would mean that if all of the dimensions stopped branching off and met it's maximum number of dimensions , La'cryma is above that by an implied higher-dimensional value.
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this "Dimensions" are Universes, Every UNiverses have his own Infinite Branches and Parralels Universes/Worls/Dimensions.The 2nd Existential Seed said:
but, it's posible to Noein have more than 6D.
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@Extreme.
I know they mentioned Dimensions as " Timelines " . However, the problem here is the proffessor is how ridiculously vague she is about it. She said that every possible " Dimension " branches off like this . The branched off Dimensions still count as " Dimensions " She doesn't mention that the original ones branch off just ONE time . She is said thet every dimension branches off into an infinite number of " Dimensions " , meaning that the branching will continue for infinity . I want to know what is just ONE " Dimension " does, cause she is saying that the original infinite number of "Dimensions" does this as well as just one.
I know they mentioned Dimensions as " Timelines " . However, the problem here is the proffessor is how ridiculously vague she is about it. She said that every possible " Dimension " branches off like this . The branched off Dimensions still count as " Dimensions " She doesn't mention that the original ones branch off just ONE time . She is said thet every dimension branches off into an infinite number of " Dimensions " , meaning that the branching will continue for infinity . I want to know what is just ONE " Dimension " does, cause she is saying that the original infinite number of "Dimensions" does this as well as just one.
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ok, anyway i need to re-watch theseries, but:
cap 1: https://imgur.com/a/KZ88k
cap 2: https://imgur.com/a/mk0wQ
cap 3: https://imgur.com/a/rW3OV
cap 4: https://imgur.com/a/Xf8Kk
cap 5: https://imgur.com/a/SODVw
cap 7: https://imgur.com/a/jD0v5
cap 8: https://imgur.com/a/MkEDx
cap 9: https://imgur.com/a/c92fu
cap 10: https://imgur.com/a/uTVvY
cap 12: https://imgur.com/a/231eB
cap 13: https://imgur.com/a/KTfsY
cap 14: https://imgur.com/a/1H1pK
cap 15: https://imgur.com/a/Lv11u
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cap 17: https://imgur.com/a/f839w
cap 18: https://imgur.com/a/cCvjI
cap 19: https://imgur.com/a/F0H0Q
cap 20: https://imgur.com/a/KraqD
cap 21: https://imgur.com/a/wKr5X
cap 22: https://imgur.com/a/1iVto
cap 23: https://imgur.com/a/hZJ69
cap 24: https://imgur.com/a/5bfgW
Sry for the spam e.e
edit: Thanks Thr0ne ^^
cap 1: https://imgur.com/a/KZ88k
cap 2: https://imgur.com/a/mk0wQ
cap 3: https://imgur.com/a/rW3OV
cap 4: https://imgur.com/a/Xf8Kk
cap 5: https://imgur.com/a/SODVw
cap 7: https://imgur.com/a/jD0v5
cap 8: https://imgur.com/a/MkEDx
cap 9: https://imgur.com/a/c92fu
cap 10: https://imgur.com/a/uTVvY
cap 12: https://imgur.com/a/231eB
cap 13: https://imgur.com/a/KTfsY
cap 14: https://imgur.com/a/1H1pK
cap 15: https://imgur.com/a/Lv11u
cap 16: https://imgur.com/a/dlboY
cap 17: https://imgur.com/a/f839w
cap 18: https://imgur.com/a/cCvjI
cap 19: https://imgur.com/a/F0H0Q
cap 20: https://imgur.com/a/KraqD
cap 21: https://imgur.com/a/wKr5X
cap 22: https://imgur.com/a/1iVto
cap 23: https://imgur.com/a/hZJ69
cap 24: https://imgur.com/a/5bfgW
Sry for the spam e.e
edit: Thanks Thr0ne ^^
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@Antvasima Yeah I'm at a loss too. The best piece of evidence for anything higher than 2-A would be episode 6. I think I'll need an explanation for eps.23 and 24 to understand more.
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As of now we now that what we found in episode 6 warrants an upgrade to either High 2-A or At least High 2-A considering that Haruka was able to easily exist in a land above the Infinite Multiverse.
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scans of Noein Episodes, if people will explain somethins, should us these for better explanation, and, some Episodes is onli to explain his Cosmologi (see Episode 6 and 11).Antvasima said:
Edit: **** me Grammar Dx
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@Extreme123dz Okay thanks for the clarification.
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Like mentioned above, the branching of the infinite multiverse is hard to quanify, as it implies that the branching Dimensions are also branching themselves , and the process continues infinitely . Before we can even begin to think about cosmology, we need to figure out what tier the branching Infinite Multiverses is .
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@Extreme Thanks . This will make having my points easier to access.
Also,this sca shows that an space is essentially an parallel existence compared to La'cryma, but also at hte same time mentions it has has an existence completely different to La'cryma simultaneously . Yuu is apparently capable of creating a space that will open to the Higher-Dimension where Haruka is,if he thinks about Haruka . He also was responsible for creating this dimension , that is comparable to La'cryma via Karasu's words ( He should be able to tell , mostly cause that is where he lives 24/7 ) . Where would this quanify ?
Also,this sca shows that an space is essentially an parallel existence compared to La'cryma, but also at hte same time mentions it has has an existence completely different to La'cryma simultaneously . Yuu is apparently capable of creating a space that will open to the Higher-Dimension where Haruka is,if he thinks about Haruka . He also was responsible for creating this dimension , that is comparable to La'cryma via Karasu's words ( He should be able to tell , mostly cause that is where he lives 24/7 ) . Where would this quanify ?
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@Seed well obviously if Yuu was able to create a Dimension comparable to La-Cryma it would scale to at least be High 2-A.
We should see what the others think.
We should see what the others think.
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@Julian ... Thanks for your suport , Julian . At least High 2-A should be fine if we only consider the branching process only once for the Infinite Multiverse , and considering he is implied to be far weaker than Haruka , Noein , and Karasu , the scaling still applies. However, we still need to know about the branching of Infinite Dimensions mentioned in Episode 6 in order to scale to the other characters correctly ( Which it scales to : La-Cryma , Yuu , Noein , Dragon Riders , Fodder Warriors , Karasu's Group , and Haruka especially ) , which i will attempt to do below . Sorry for the long post , but this is ridiculously complicated :
Before i can explain what that potentially does for tiering , Let me try to explain the branching off proccess , using explicit evidence from the episode. She mentions that every Dimension Haruka exists , It branches off into an Infinite Number of Dimensions horizontally . However, she was just as vague as she can be concerning this explanation . All of the branched off "Dimensions" are explicitly stated to be "Dimensions" as well, and they are shown having Harukas in every Dimension. This quite literally means that the branching off can apply to the branched off Dimensions , and as long as Haruka exists within this timelines ( which she explicitly says that Haruka exists in every possible timeline / Dimension ) , it would branch off ifninitely again , and the proccess would continue again. This is just talking about One dimension, out of the supposed infinite number of dimensions within the series . La'cryma is above all dimensions, which would include every possible branched off dimensions in which Haruka exists ( Which she exists in every timeline ) in every dimension . Noein essentially even confirms in Episode 23 that the Ultimate Obsever is in every timeline,saying that the Ultimate Obsever is every human being , showing that she is essentially Nigh-Omnipresent across the original and every possible branched off Dimension . Taking this into effect, there is no way possible she isn't technically in every possible branched off Dimension .
Let me see if i can do this correctly ( I am ONLY talking about one Dimension's infinite branching . It would be impossible for me to talk about the others, as the others does the exact same thing, and we are talking about an Infinite number of Dimensions here ... . ) : 1 Dimension's starting point would be Low 2-C , correct ? Because it is implied that 1 Dimension is just a timeline . Now, that Dimension branches off into an infinte number of Dimensions would be 2-A . Since that is an Infinite Number of Dimensions plus 1 Dimension . And since Haruka is explicitly mentioned exists all of those Dimensions, the branching would essentially continue to essentially High 2-A . The process would continue infinitely , as Haruka will always exist in every possible timeline. I have no idea how dimensional scaling would be in this case, but since the proccess continues to ifninity for just one Dimension , well...
Do keep in mine that the other Original Infinite Dimensions do the EXACT same thing according to the above scans. So, instead of busting our brains attempting to calculate the infinite number of dimensions , we should focus on just one dimension , and scale it ot the others . This isn't even taking into account for La'cryma is explicitly mentioned to be above dimensions, which means that all of these branched off dimensions are considered below La'cryma . Yuu also created a space comparable to La'cryma ... Yeah ...
Before i can explain what that potentially does for tiering , Let me try to explain the branching off proccess , using explicit evidence from the episode. She mentions that every Dimension Haruka exists , It branches off into an Infinite Number of Dimensions horizontally . However, she was just as vague as she can be concerning this explanation . All of the branched off "Dimensions" are explicitly stated to be "Dimensions" as well, and they are shown having Harukas in every Dimension. This quite literally means that the branching off can apply to the branched off Dimensions , and as long as Haruka exists within this timelines ( which she explicitly says that Haruka exists in every possible timeline / Dimension ) , it would branch off ifninitely again , and the proccess would continue again. This is just talking about One dimension, out of the supposed infinite number of dimensions within the series . La'cryma is above all dimensions, which would include every possible branched off dimensions in which Haruka exists ( Which she exists in every timeline ) in every dimension . Noein essentially even confirms in Episode 23 that the Ultimate Obsever is in every timeline,saying that the Ultimate Obsever is every human being , showing that she is essentially Nigh-Omnipresent across the original and every possible branched off Dimension . Taking this into effect, there is no way possible she isn't technically in every possible branched off Dimension .
Let me see if i can do this correctly ( I am ONLY talking about one Dimension's infinite branching . It would be impossible for me to talk about the others, as the others does the exact same thing, and we are talking about an Infinite number of Dimensions here ... . ) : 1 Dimension's starting point would be Low 2-C , correct ? Because it is implied that 1 Dimension is just a timeline . Now, that Dimension branches off into an infinte number of Dimensions would be 2-A . Since that is an Infinite Number of Dimensions plus 1 Dimension . And since Haruka is explicitly mentioned exists all of those Dimensions, the branching would essentially continue to essentially High 2-A . The process would continue infinitely , as Haruka will always exist in every possible timeline. I have no idea how dimensional scaling would be in this case, but since the proccess continues to ifninity for just one Dimension , well...
Do keep in mine that the other Original Infinite Dimensions do the EXACT same thing according to the above scans. So, instead of busting our brains attempting to calculate the infinite number of dimensions , we should focus on just one dimension , and scale it ot the others . This isn't even taking into account for La'cryma is explicitly mentioned to be above dimensions, which means that all of these branched off dimensions are considered below La'cryma . Yuu also created a space comparable to La'cryma ... Yeah ...
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@The 2nd Existential Seed Np ^^
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Thanks Extreme . Your scans are what made it possible for me to continue debating . With the above evidence, i can confirm that the multiverse, even when considering just One of the dimensions branching off into an infinite number of dimensions, when the proccess continues infinitely ( supported by first paragraph ) , that the Multiverse is a lot higher than what is being believed as .
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@Seed well here is what I believe. Now bear with me here but if each and every Dimension branches off infinitely this would equate to an Infinite amount of 4-D Multiverses. If this is correct then that would make the Multiverse High 2-A. That means that La-Cryma would essentially be Low 1-C and the Dimensional Horizon would be 1-C.
Now pardon me if what I said is a lot of gibberish but I think this should be left for someone like DarkLK who understands the Tiering System much better than me.
Now pardon me if what I said is a lot of gibberish but I think this should be left for someone like DarkLK who understands the Tiering System much better than me.
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@ Julian. I respect your opinion Julian, i truly do. However, i am not thinking it that light. However,we should wait to see what other mods whom are much more knowledgable about the tier system., especially dimensional tiering.
Example of One Dimension branching off : Basically one dimension branches off into an infinite number of dimensions horizontally , due to the first dimension having Haruka in it . Then each of the branched infinite number of dimensions that were branched off of the previous dimension ,would also branches off into infinite number of dimensions horizontally , as every possible dimension has Haruka in it directly or indirectly . Then the proccess begins with each of the now branched infinite number of dimensions , branching off into an infinite number of dimensions. The process continues infinitely in that order, with no indication of where it will stop .
What i oriignally was saying above was only applying to One dimension branching off, not an entire infinite number of dimensions branching off the same way . That is why i am saying it is impossible to define for me, as i have never encountered something so ... interesting .
Example of One Dimension branching off : Basically one dimension branches off into an infinite number of dimensions horizontally , due to the first dimension having Haruka in it . Then each of the branched infinite number of dimensions that were branched off of the previous dimension ,would also branches off into infinite number of dimensions horizontally , as every possible dimension has Haruka in it directly or indirectly . Then the proccess begins with each of the now branched infinite number of dimensions , branching off into an infinite number of dimensions. The process continues infinitely in that order, with no indication of where it will stop .
What i oriignally was saying above was only applying to One dimension branching off, not an entire infinite number of dimensions branching off the same way . That is why i am saying it is impossible to define for me, as i have never encountered something so ... interesting .
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Wow. Okay, I am sorry that my stuff isn't structured properly, but I have never been good at that from the beginning. I just try to explain it in a detailed manner, which usually results in walls of text . I can't help it if mods aren't interested anymore. I now have proof that they are far higher and can actually reach tier 1 , but no one is responding.
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That would be nice .
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I thought the tier 1 stuff was already debunked?
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It was debunked because the dimensions are timelines . That is why they were debunked. But, I believe that it now reaches tier 1 due to above reasoning , just not sure to what extent. Infiniy branching timelines continuing this process infinitely as mentioned above would lead to tier 1 eventually.
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What's the sub dialogue, though? Because according to DarkLK, only "spacetime" is used in the original version, and being beyond a multiverse does not automatically mean you are infinitely beyond it.
What's the sub dialogue, though? Because according to DarkLK, only "spacetime" is used in the original version, and being beyond a multiverse does not automatically mean you are infinitely beyond it.
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Remember the blog i created ? Yeah... It was terrible. However, i have just recently edited it to point about what i thought about the Endlessly Branching off Dimensions that produced an Infinite Number of Dimensions whenever Haruka exists , which is directly supported by the series by the Proffessor . I also gave scans to prove my point that i did not before in the previous massive revision thread abotu Noein . This is the last time i will be doing this however. The Points are there. Once this is accepted , i can get in detail here who scales and what tier they would be respectably . The point ehre is that the branching mentioning does not fit correctly in any finite dimensional tier, even if you attempt to. Especially considering theer is an series of infinite number of these branching Dimensions.
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Bump , I edited my blog to include debunking of it being completely identical to average parallel universe, and to show it is something different , and is portrayed differently in Noein . If this is accepted, all previous points are accepted as well . Which means my high-ends are accepted as well.
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I'll probably call for DarkLK to evaluate your points later on.
I mean he is the best of the best when it comes to Dimensional Tiering. Although if you want to call for him now then thats fine by me.
I mean he is the best of the best when it comes to Dimensional Tiering. Although if you want to call for him now then thats fine by me.
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I was talking to him for a while about this exact same thing on Antvasima's message wall. I managed to debunk his one point that destroyed my tiering ( believe me, he is hard to debunk . ) . Now i am waiting for his response. Do you agree with my points Julian ?
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