Ninja vs Kingsman

[Expectro2000xxx]

Madara Limbo clones are more like Shea Half-Teleport so just mana NPI isn't gonna work against them, the only artifacts that should interact with him are those with spatial magic (which to begin with are the only artifacts that matter with the AP gap), at the beginning I thought that disintegration magic should also interact but considering the showing against Shea Half-Teleport it shouldn't be the case.

At the end is more likely that Madara would win with the massive AP difference and Limbo intag as the things that Oscar could do in this case from the beginning are quite few.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

UchihaSlayer96
According to Expectro Oscar can interact with limbo clones using some spatial artifacts. What else can Madar do?

At the end is more likely that Madara would win with the massive AP difference and Limbo intag as the things that Oscar could do in this case from the beginning are quite few.

Can he dodge ?

Doesn't mana affect space and gravity like when Hajime did this?

Regardless of the space that was continuing to twist in frenzy even now to expulse the target and the super gravitational field enveloping the area that wouldn’t allow any escape, what was drifting in the air was an extremely sweet atmosphere.

Although,

「Chih. What a gloomy air.」

And so,

「──”Limit Break”」

The crimson magic power exploded. Forgot about the atmosphere, the very space itself felt like it would be blown to smithereens from the shockwave that detonated around Hajime and Shia. That phenomenon that looked like a red moon instantly scattered away the twisting space and gravitational field.

The crimson shock wave blew away all the dumbfounded people. They were tossed around like a cloth flapping inside a bomb blast. Arogan, Gruelle, and Louis laid out their barrier with amazing reaction speed in order to protect their respective comrades and lords who were relatively near, but they were blown away along with their barrier.

The use of the “Limit Break” was only for an instant. Be that as it may, everyone there felt it. Everyone comprehended it.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

UchihaSlayer96
Can he dodge ?

Doesn't mana affect space and gravity like when Hajime did this?

Possible, but considering how Madara attacks can possess a massive aoe if he so desires, added with the fact that just a graze would evaporate him makes that very unlikely. Defensively speaking his best option would be to use disintegration beams to destroy attacks, but those disintegration beams aren't going to work against Limbo clones if Madara decide to use thems. Oscar best chances would be to take Madara down first with spatial artifacts and disintegration before he pulls Limbo clones. The longer the fight the harder would be to Oscar, even taking in consideration the fact that he can eventually complete his analisis and copy Madara powers, because anything from Madara is a big threat to face and Limbos clones are a specially big threat.

Also, something to note is that while Oscar can only affect Limbo clones with spatial artifacts he should actually be able to see them with his glasses, as they use evolution magic to analyze the fundamental information of everything, there is also the argument that his instincts could make him dodge them but that's beside the point. By the part where Limbo clones begin to appear things are too complicated for Oscar.


Both Hajime and Shea have spatial magic, they can't be used as example for that.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Both Hajime and Shea have spatial magic, they can't be used as example for that.

What about Tio didn't her dragon god transformation affect space?

and her roars in Dragon God Manifestation tear apart space

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

What about Tio didn't her dragon god transformation affect space?

... Tio dragon god transformation is a new power up she unlocked with a combination of the power in the conceptual artifact she absorbed and Hajime artifacts affecting her to unlock the form.

Like, ok, even assuming that mana could actually affect space by itself with no need for spatial magic (which would make the magic redundant), all the examples you use are from god tiers characters that solo the Liberators even more easily than Madara, Oscar can't do anything like that, he never showed to do it and neither would he have the strength to do it even going by your arguments. So I think that is better not continue seeking some really complex possible arguments that needs several jumps in logic and isn't even mentioned in the profiles to argue for Oscar, instead I believe is far simplier and better to formulate arguments based on the things that we actually know Oscar have, can do and is listed in the profile, like I was doing so far.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Like, ok, even assuming that mana could actually affect space by itself with no need for spatial magic (which would make the magic redundant), all the examples you use are from god tiers characters that solo the Liberators even more easily than Madara, Oscar can't do anything like that, he never showed to do it and neither would he have the strength to do it even going by your arguments. So I think that is better not continue seeking some really complex possible arguments that needs several jumps in logic and isn't even mentioned in the profiles to argue for Oscar, instead I believe is far simplier and better to formulate arguments based on the things that we actually know Oscar have, can do and is listed in the profile, like I was doing so far.

just a possible thing to add when you making a cosmology page.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

just remembered wasn't the apostle (zero era) able to counter Maledi and Naiz gravity and space magic with mana alone?

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

just remembered wasn't the apostle (zero era) able to counter Maledi and Naiz gravity and space magic with mana alone?

She broke their magic yeah, but since she is a different beast Oscar likely can't scale as he only defeat apostles thanks to his artifacts more than his raw power.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

She broke their magic yeah, but since she is a different beast Oscar likely can't scale as he only defeat apostles thanks to his artifacts more than his raw power.

Another thing.
Do you think that reason Mother saw space being distorted by Hajime's aura is because it was real and not an illusion?
A machine seeing illusion make less sense.