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Nicol Bolas & The Planeswalker CRT
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Can I apply these changes or should I wait for more staff?
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Incorporeality doesn't have a type, so type 1 should be removed.
Transformation is based on just the user transforming itself, not others. The Transformation looks to be corruption or transmutation.
Corruption should a type added. The type in this case looks to be type 1.
Otherwise, the changes seem fine to make.
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Made the changes, would you mind unlocking the profiles so I can put in the changes?
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Done
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There are two missing references that got messed up when I copied them over, can I add them? Also yes you can close the thread.
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Ok I went through and made sure this time, it's done thanks a lot!
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Where does the high-godlly regen negation comes from? When has anyone shown high-Godly regen in MTG?
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Regeneration works against spells that tear you from Reality, Memory & History, at the same time their spells can negate that regeneration.
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Tearing someone from something doesn't mean they somehow are reduced to less than those things. Don't they still have a mind and such?
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The spell does destroy its target if that's the question you are asking. It works on Abstract Beings, Souls/Ghost & Consciousnesses. That plus the description saying 'Torn from History. Torn from memory. Torn from reality.' makes it pretty clear cut no?
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Yeah, if you're separated from reality and history, thats erasure
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Hmm, can you post the quotes again?
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Torn from History. Torn from memory. Torn from reality
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Ah yes, that tells me all about how they're destroyed on that level and how they can regenerate from it.
Seriously, is this it?
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You didn't ask for the quote of them regenerating
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What did you think I meant when I talked about "posting the quotes"? Anyone with a brain can tell that one sentence grants absolutely nothing.
Anyway, @ActuallySpaceMan do you have the quotes for the spells and their level of destruction, as well as them regenerating from that level of destruction?
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You asked for the quotes of torn apart, not regeneration
And what do you think "torn" means?
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Ok, I didn't realize this would be such a big issue. The Regeneration Negation was based on the fact that all regeneration spells let you regenerate anything no matter how it was destroyed. At the same time, there are spells that specifically state something cannot be regenerated.
If it's that much of an issue we can remove the regeneration negation.
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Well since Planck has some questions we aren't closing this thread just yet. I realized there are some abilities I missed that I want to add along with an addition to his Lifting Strength.
Oldwalker & Neowalker Nicol Bolas
- Reality Warping (Nicol Bolas can separate himself a half-step from reality making him untouchable. He can still cast spells in this state.)
- Space-Time Manipulation (Although the events of the novel are considered canon by MTG and non-Canon by the fandom it is stated by Nicol Bolas that he had 'Omnipotent' mastery over time and space as an Oldwalker letting him perform feats similar to what's obtained through Clockworking.)
- Creation & Perception Manipulation (Nicol Bolas could create an entire monument for himself and enchant it to appear stationary from every angle.)
- Illusion Creation (Nicol Bolas is capable of creating illusions.)
- Madness Manipulation (Type 2; Nicol Bolas can drain a person's sanity by stabbing their mind through magic.)
- BFR (Nicol Bolas can banish someone's soul to another world.)
- Summoning (Nicol Bolas can summon fire elementals.)
- Deconstruction (With just a glance Nicol Bolas can dissolve things.)
- Possible Law Manipulation (The Gods of Amonkhet stated Nicol Bolas's powers defied the laws of nature.)
- Existence Erasure (With a single spell he wiped countless people from existence including their souls.)
- Corruption (Type 1; He can also corrupt gods, forcing them to forget their origins, linking their existence to him, and erasing everything else.)
- Vector Manipulation (Nicol Bolas can make something lose all speed and force in an instant.)
- Seal Unravelling (Nicol Bolas can unravel magical seals.)
- Forcefield Destruction (Nicol Bolas can break through magical barriers.)
- Curse Manipulation (Nicol Bolas could curse the sphinxes of Amonkhet so that they could never communicate again, verbally, nonverbally (Mentally for example), or physically.)
- Soul Manipulation (Nicol Bolas can burn someone's soul using his mind alone.)
- Mind Manipulation (By simply tilting his chin he can split an Immortal God's mind and with a wave of his hand he can knock them unconscious.)
- Sealing (Nicol Bolas is more adept at utilizing Leylines than Nissa Revane capable of overriding her control. She could bind the Eldrazi Titan's Kozilek & Ulamog to Zendikar using Leylines. This even affected their higher dimensional selves. It's stated that this anchored them to reality, removing their Invulnerability and Immortality while also making them targetable by any spell or ability.)
- Non-Physical Interaction (Oldwalkers & Planeswalkers can see & interact with things such as Ghosts, Souls, Gods, Elementals, Mana, Embodiments, and other Planewalkers Essence & Minds despite being Incorporeal and Abstract Existences. They are stated to be capable of interacting with The Weaver King who is a shadow creature, these beings have NEP Type 3, existing in a limbo between existence and nonexistent.)
- Existence Erasure (With a single spell he wiped countless people from existence including their souls.)
- Fire Manipulation & Danmaku (Nicol Bolas destroyed the entire plane of Skalla burning it with fire so hot it turned white.)
- Telekinesis (He could control the movement of an entire sun over an extremely long period of time.)
- Resistance to Paralysis Inducement (Nicol Bolas can shake off the effects of paralysis.)
- Extrasensory Perception (Nicol Bolas has both physical and magical senses, they allowed him to gauge the power of himself from another timeline.)
- Etherium Manipulation (Nicol Bolas stated he created the beings who taught Tezzeret how to utilize Etherium and can do anything they could do. Nicol Bolas would be capable of replicating all of Tezzerets Etherium and Metal Manipulating Abilities.)
- Limited Acausality (Type 4; Nicol Bolas can erase himself from time and existence.)
Lifting Strength: Unknown, Stellar with Telekinesis (He could control the movement of an entire sun over an extremely long period of time.)
Range: At least Multi-Solar System level. likely Universal+ (Even after losing his Oldwalker abilities he was considered powerful enough to destroy Theros, a plane that has an entire night sky full of stars and constellations. He was capable of ripping open the sky of an entirely different world than the one he was on.)
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Ok I'll remove it and apply the lifting, are the abilities ok as well?
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Almost verything here seems fine but i'm kinda iffy in the following
This doesn't seems like transdual nonexistence at all.... It is only stated that they are in a limbo of existence and nonexistence (That in such a vague way would not qualify, there are even characters with more and better context than this one and they barely qualify for Material Nonexistence.), it is not stated that the character is completely nonexistent in a similar manner to Material Nonexistence... This is more like a 50/50 that IMO is more like paradoxical nonexistence. You should call @DontTalkDT for more clarification
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He has the exact description of Idealistic Nonexistence.
Idealistic Nonexistence: The character doesn't exist in a sense further beyond conventional nonexistence. In terms of binary, this would be something that is neither 1 nor 0, where 1 is existence and 0 is nonexistence.
It also clearly states he can't interact with the physical world and cannot touch it.
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A limbo (which is a vague way of saying that it exists or does not exist) of existence and nonexistence does not imply that the character exists beyond conventional nonexistence, if the standards were so easy to accept such an implication, then most characters would never have lost their Idealistic Nonexistence.
This is nothing new, it has even been implied for a long time on the Nonexistent Physiology Page
since he knows the standards better than anyone else.
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Since the nonexistence is iffy I changed the wording on it. Can I add the abilities?
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It would be Type 2.
The powers seem largely fine.
The NEP (nonexistence physiology) looks to be type 3.
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Hey the planewalker link didn’t work can I get a new one
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It's already on his profile; https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Nicol_Bolas
This CRT should be closed.
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