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This is my first content revision thread, so sorry if I make any mistakes with doing this, or just didn't organize it well.
I know there is very little about Undertale's human's, but if the vs battle community can make a profile for Gaster of all Undertale character's, I think it's within possibility to make a page for humans (as a race of course).
To begin, it's confirmed that humans can use magic, very powerful magic no less. There is the statement in the opening sequence, which is referencing their creation of the Barrier.
Some people say this is Toby being lazy, I disagree. The Barrier is one of the most relevant obstacles to overcome in the game, it's literally the reason why monsters are trapped underground, this isn't just a random plot hole.
The argument that it is a plot hole comes from the statement that they can't express themselves via magic, however this simply means they can't EXPRESS themselves with magic, it doesn't mean they can't use magic. Actually, due to the following line about them never being able to get (in other words make) a bullet pattern birthday card, that implies that they simply can't make bullet patterns/use Danmaku, which actually makes a lot of sense.
The Barrier was described as a spell, but I don't believe magic used by monsters was ever directly referred to as a spell throughout the entire game, I believe there are some other things worth noting as well that I'm having trouble remembering.
I should mention that in the Undertale art book, Toby mentions that he originally developed an entire system for SPELL's, the ITEM option actually replaced a previous option referred to as SPELL. There was going to be an entire stat for it referred to as EN.
(Just using this to divide certain sections of the thread)
Moving on from magic, let's get into hax.
Magic (for everything I said previously).
Determination (for obvious reasons).
Time Manipulation (although this would only apply to one person at a time due to how the SAVE files work in Undertale, meaning it isn't applicable to almost the entirety of the human race).
Healing (during the Omega Flowey fight the human souls were capable of healing Frisk's soul skip to 8:30).
Reactive Power Level via Determination. While Frisk has a soul of Determination specifically, that means they likely are just more determined than others, other humans should still have Reactive Power Level, just not on the same level as Frisk.
Ability to gain LOVE through killing (as referenced on Frisk's profile, and should apply to any human).
Reality manipulation (cause the ability applies to so many other abilities it's not even funny, but obviously only with high level's of DETERMINATION).
Regenerationn (unknown type but likely up to low-godly based on Frisk's feats, can recover physical and spiritual damage by consuming monster food).
Immortality ((type 3) only with unimaginable levels of Determination as stated on Frisk's profile).
Resistance to Soul Manipulation.
Since the humans created the Barrier, would that count as Creation?
Soul Absorbstion (humans can absorb monster souls, although this has never happened yet during the time of the game. There's a link to the part of the game where this is stated in the next section of the thread).
On to the tiers.
The War of Humans and Monsters (more specifically the text about it in Waterfall ). I'll give time stamps to the relevant parts of the playthrough for this thread. 1:18:16 through 1:18:45. 1:26:06 through 1:26:29. 1:29:00 through 1:29:16. 10:48 through 11:00. 2:21:41 through 2:22:11. (Last 2 are different videos because they had relevant dialogue I couldn't get in the first one linked)
Now that I have all of those links and time stamps out of the way, I'll get into what was stated.
In link 1, it's confirmed that literally every monster soul is only equal to a single human soul, there is over a hundred monsters in Undertale keep in mind. It's also stated that humans only have one weakness, and that weakness is the strength of their soul, because monsters who absorb human souls become very powerful, this could be taken as hyperbole, but I still think it's worth noting. If taken seriously, this means that monsters likely have no actual counter to humans at all other than soul absorbstion, which gives humans a ton of resistances.
In link 2, it confirms that humans also have soul absorbstion, however this only applies to monsters, and it's difficult to do when attempted on non boss monsters, since normal monster's have weak souls that shatter almost immediately after death.
In link 3, it states that the war was so one sided that it could hardly be called a war. The monsters didn't even take a single human soul during the war. Again putting into perspective how much stronger humans are than monsters.
In link 4, Undyne says that Gerson was apparently the toughest monster that ever lived, however, keep in mind that the previous link specifies that no humans were killed. Meaning that, even though Asgore, likely Toriel, and Gerson, a monster stronger than Asgore (as well as likely several other monsters of comparable strength) were in the war, none of them managed to kill a single human, Undyne also praises him as a hero just for surviving the war, meaning that just coming out of the war alive is an impressive feat for monsters.
In link 5, it's confirmed that 7 human magicians created the Barrier. It's stated that specifically a being with the power of 7 human souls can break the Barrier, implying that anything weaker than this cannot.
After citing all of this, it's time to get into the tiers humans should be placed in, it's worth noting that the only humans monsters have actually killed at this point (in the game) are children, so, while they're still stronger than any human irl, these children are far weaker than Undertale's human adults, it's even possible that Frisk isn't that strong for Undertale's humans.
I'll start with the fact that humans are stronger than monsters, which puts the base tier for humans at highend 9-A until monsters get upgraded (if that happens). However it should be noted that humans can reach 2-C and 2-B via Determination.
The next thing to mention is the Barrier. It's confirmed that 7 human magicians created the Barrier. The Barrier can tank the destruction of the timeline easily, it's visually shown that Asriel (a multiversal being) likely used a significant amount of effort to break the Barrier in the scene where he breaks it (28:14), however that could just be considered dramatic effect I suppose, and it's not a very strong point either way, just thought it was one worth noting. However what I really want to mention is the claim that it's necessary for someone to have at least the power of 7 human souls to break the Barrier. Omega Flowey only has the power of 6, this directly states that Omega Flowey, a being who can casually create and destroy timelines (not to mention is implied to be more powerful than Chara ), is incapable of destroying the Barrier. Meaning that 7 of Undertale's humans are capable of creating a structure with very likely multiversal durability.
Edit: As I've realized and discussed with Adem, the humans used some form of weapons during the war which I will discuss later in an edited version of the standard equipment section, likely weapons that gave stat buffs comparable to or greater than the Worn Dagger, which gives a buff of 15 ATT, a fairly significant increase.
Overall, I'd do it like this: At least Small Building level, higher with weapons (humans are stated to be vastly superior to monsters. Humans used weapons during the war which should be similar to the weapons seen in the game) | At least Low Multiverse level, likely Multiverse level via Magic and Determination (Scale to Frisk. Created the Barrier which has been stated to only be destructible by a being with the power of 7 human souls)
As for other stats:
Speed: Scales to monsters who should be much slower than them.
Lifting Strength: Unknown
Striking Strength: Should be equal to AP.
Durability: Equal to AP
Stamina: Immense, based on the ability of Determination.
Range: Should be standard melee range via physical strength and weapons. To Low Multiversal or Multiversal via magic and Determination.
Standard equipment: Unknown, however it is known that humans used weapons during the war based on the opening sequence. The types of weapons and consistency of use is unknown. However, since common items not used for combat are used to increase statistics by a small albeit noticeable amount, such as a Toy Knife, Worn Notebook, or a Burnt Pan. It's likely that any weapons during the war, which would be highly lethal weapons designed for combat, should give a large increase in stats, likely comparable to or greater than the stat increase of the Worn Dagger. Humans also very likely wore actual armor during the war, as well.
Intelligence: Should be at least average to genius, since they should be comparable to or greater than real life humans in that aspect based on the little amount of human culture we learn in the game. We know anime is a thing for example, and the technology shown, aside from futuristic things created by Alphys and Gaster, seems comparable to current real life technology. The planet it takes place on is stated to be Earth several times as well, and the surface looks fairly similar to the modern day world based on what we see at the end of the Pacifist Route.
Weaknesses: Only the fact that monsters can absorb their souls, maybe, if not, then none notable.
Notable attacks/techniques: None.
Keys: Base, with weapons | Magic and Determination.
Kardeshev: At least 0.73.
I know there is very little about Undertale's human's, but if the vs battle community can make a profile for Gaster of all Undertale character's, I think it's within possibility to make a page for humans (as a race of course).
To begin, it's confirmed that humans can use magic, very powerful magic no less. There is the statement in the opening sequence, which is referencing their creation of the Barrier.
Some people say this is Toby being lazy, I disagree. The Barrier is one of the most relevant obstacles to overcome in the game, it's literally the reason why monsters are trapped underground, this isn't just a random plot hole.
The argument that it is a plot hole comes from the statement that they can't express themselves via magic, however this simply means they can't EXPRESS themselves with magic, it doesn't mean they can't use magic. Actually, due to the following line about them never being able to get (in other words make) a bullet pattern birthday card, that implies that they simply can't make bullet patterns/use Danmaku, which actually makes a lot of sense.
The Barrier was described as a spell, but I don't believe magic used by monsters was ever directly referred to as a spell throughout the entire game, I believe there are some other things worth noting as well that I'm having trouble remembering.
I should mention that in the Undertale art book, Toby mentions that he originally developed an entire system for SPELL's, the ITEM option actually replaced a previous option referred to as SPELL. There was going to be an entire stat for it referred to as EN.
(Just using this to divide certain sections of the thread)
Moving on from magic, let's get into hax.
Magic (for everything I said previously).
Determination (for obvious reasons).
Time Manipulation (although this would only apply to one person at a time due to how the SAVE files work in Undertale, meaning it isn't applicable to almost the entirety of the human race).
Healing (during the Omega Flowey fight the human souls were capable of healing Frisk's soul skip to 8:30).
Reactive Power Level via Determination. While Frisk has a soul of Determination specifically, that means they likely are just more determined than others, other humans should still have Reactive Power Level, just not on the same level as Frisk.
Ability to gain LOVE through killing (as referenced on Frisk's profile, and should apply to any human).
Reality manipulation (cause the ability applies to so many other abilities it's not even funny, but obviously only with high level's of DETERMINATION).
Regenerationn (unknown type but likely up to low-godly based on Frisk's feats, can recover physical and spiritual damage by consuming monster food).
Immortality ((type 3) only with unimaginable levels of Determination as stated on Frisk's profile).
Resistance to Soul Manipulation.
Since the humans created the Barrier, would that count as Creation?
Soul Absorbstion (humans can absorb monster souls, although this has never happened yet during the time of the game. There's a link to the part of the game where this is stated in the next section of the thread).
On to the tiers.
The War of Humans and Monsters (more specifically the text about it in Waterfall ). I'll give time stamps to the relevant parts of the playthrough for this thread. 1:18:16 through 1:18:45. 1:26:06 through 1:26:29. 1:29:00 through 1:29:16. 10:48 through 11:00. 2:21:41 through 2:22:11. (Last 2 are different videos because they had relevant dialogue I couldn't get in the first one linked)
Now that I have all of those links and time stamps out of the way, I'll get into what was stated.
In link 1, it's confirmed that literally every monster soul is only equal to a single human soul, there is over a hundred monsters in Undertale keep in mind. It's also stated that humans only have one weakness, and that weakness is the strength of their soul, because monsters who absorb human souls become very powerful, this could be taken as hyperbole, but I still think it's worth noting. If taken seriously, this means that monsters likely have no actual counter to humans at all other than soul absorbstion, which gives humans a ton of resistances.
In link 2, it confirms that humans also have soul absorbstion, however this only applies to monsters, and it's difficult to do when attempted on non boss monsters, since normal monster's have weak souls that shatter almost immediately after death.
In link 3, it states that the war was so one sided that it could hardly be called a war. The monsters didn't even take a single human soul during the war. Again putting into perspective how much stronger humans are than monsters.
In link 4, Undyne says that Gerson was apparently the toughest monster that ever lived, however, keep in mind that the previous link specifies that no humans were killed. Meaning that, even though Asgore, likely Toriel, and Gerson, a monster stronger than Asgore (as well as likely several other monsters of comparable strength) were in the war, none of them managed to kill a single human, Undyne also praises him as a hero just for surviving the war, meaning that just coming out of the war alive is an impressive feat for monsters.
In link 5, it's confirmed that 7 human magicians created the Barrier. It's stated that specifically a being with the power of 7 human souls can break the Barrier, implying that anything weaker than this cannot.
After citing all of this, it's time to get into the tiers humans should be placed in, it's worth noting that the only humans monsters have actually killed at this point (in the game) are children, so, while they're still stronger than any human irl, these children are far weaker than Undertale's human adults, it's even possible that Frisk isn't that strong for Undertale's humans.
I'll start with the fact that humans are stronger than monsters, which puts the base tier for humans at highend 9-A until monsters get upgraded (if that happens). However it should be noted that humans can reach 2-C and 2-B via Determination.
The next thing to mention is the Barrier. It's confirmed that 7 human magicians created the Barrier. The Barrier can tank the destruction of the timeline easily, it's visually shown that Asriel (a multiversal being) likely used a significant amount of effort to break the Barrier in the scene where he breaks it (28:14), however that could just be considered dramatic effect I suppose, and it's not a very strong point either way, just thought it was one worth noting. However what I really want to mention is the claim that it's necessary for someone to have at least the power of 7 human souls to break the Barrier. Omega Flowey only has the power of 6, this directly states that Omega Flowey, a being who can casually create and destroy timelines (not to mention is implied to be more powerful than Chara ), is incapable of destroying the Barrier. Meaning that 7 of Undertale's humans are capable of creating a structure with very likely multiversal durability.
Edit: As I've realized and discussed with Adem, the humans used some form of weapons during the war which I will discuss later in an edited version of the standard equipment section, likely weapons that gave stat buffs comparable to or greater than the Worn Dagger, which gives a buff of 15 ATT, a fairly significant increase.
Overall, I'd do it like this: At least Small Building level, higher with weapons (humans are stated to be vastly superior to monsters. Humans used weapons during the war which should be similar to the weapons seen in the game) | At least Low Multiverse level, likely Multiverse level via Magic and Determination (Scale to Frisk. Created the Barrier which has been stated to only be destructible by a being with the power of 7 human souls)
As for other stats:
Speed: Scales to monsters who should be much slower than them.
Lifting Strength: Unknown
Striking Strength: Should be equal to AP.
Durability: Equal to AP
Stamina: Immense, based on the ability of Determination.
Range: Should be standard melee range via physical strength and weapons. To Low Multiversal or Multiversal via magic and Determination.
Standard equipment: Unknown, however it is known that humans used weapons during the war based on the opening sequence. The types of weapons and consistency of use is unknown. However, since common items not used for combat are used to increase statistics by a small albeit noticeable amount, such as a Toy Knife, Worn Notebook, or a Burnt Pan. It's likely that any weapons during the war, which would be highly lethal weapons designed for combat, should give a large increase in stats, likely comparable to or greater than the stat increase of the Worn Dagger. Humans also very likely wore actual armor during the war, as well.
Intelligence: Should be at least average to genius, since they should be comparable to or greater than real life humans in that aspect based on the little amount of human culture we learn in the game. We know anime is a thing for example, and the technology shown, aside from futuristic things created by Alphys and Gaster, seems comparable to current real life technology. The planet it takes place on is stated to be Earth several times as well, and the surface looks fairly similar to the modern day world based on what we see at the end of the Pacifist Route.
Weaknesses: Only the fact that monsters can absorb their souls, maybe, if not, then none notable.
Notable attacks/techniques: None.
Keys: Base, with weapons | Magic and Determination.
Kardeshev: At least 0.73.
