New Ability - Multilocation

[SamanPatou]

Some may already know about this proposal, since I have talked about it in the past in the Unofficial Abilities Addition Thread, and now I'm officially proposing it after having tweaked the page as necessary.

I will let the page and the examples provided (both via the front images and the characters under the types [for which I can provide justifications if needed]), but I want to say that, even if at first some of these cases may look just other powers, it should be noticed that many other examples can't be covered by already existing powers, and if they do, they result in a stretch.
For this reason I belive this power is needed, as it would cover a variety of instances that are currently left without anything to define them.

On top of that, the Nigh-Omnipresence page would effectively be absorbed into the Multipresence page, as the latter is basically all forms of multi-location up to nigh-omnipresence but below full omnipresence.

This is the draft of the page

As usual, due to being a staff thread, normal users can comment as long as they provide useful inputs regarding the new addition.

 

[Armorchompy]

Seems good

 

[Tllmbrg]

Sure this works

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Sure, this looks good to me.

 

[KingTempest]

Looks fine

 

[Eficiente]

On the Immortality part, for extra clarity's sake I would add how Multipresence doesn't necessarily give that and how type 8 Immortality shouldn't be given should Multipresence make a user harder to kill.

I like the power, but I think we could ideally adapt it into Nigh-Omnipresence while changing its name to Sub-Omnipresence, thus making what we have as Nigh-Omnipresence and Multipresence as forms of that, covering Omnipresence and its sub-types in just 2 pages rather than 3.

 

[SamanPatou]

On the Immortality part, for extra clarity's sake I would add how Multipresence doesn't necessarily give that and how type 8 Immortality shouldn't be given should Multipresence make a user harder to kill.

What do you think about adding a sentence like "Note that multipresent characters aren't inherently immortal, and there must be good reasons to attribute any level of immortality (such as type 8) to them"

I like the power, but I think we could ideally adapt it into Nigh-Omnipresence while changing its name to Sub-Omnipresence, thus making what we have as Nigh-Omnipresence and Multipresence as forms of that, covering Omnipresence and its sub-types in just 2 pages rather than 3.

I already meant to integrate Nigh-Omnipresence into the Multipresence page, yes.
Maybe I can reference it in the summary with something like: The extension of this ability can escalate from occupying the entirety of relatively small areas, such as a house, to sensibly larger spaces, including planets, galaxies or even universes, effectively reaching levels of Nigh-Omnipresence/Sub-Omnipresence.

 

[Armorchompy]

I think Multipresence sounds better than Sub-Omnipresence

 

[SamanPatou]

Same, I think Sub/Nigh-Omnipresence can be used in the summary, but I think Multipresence is a good specific but still general name.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Agreed.

 

[Confluctor]

Sure, works

 

[Antvasima]

@AKM sama @Promestein @DontTalkDT @Ultima_Reality @DarkDragonMedeus @SomebodyData @Celestial_Pegasus @Wokistan @Mr._Bambu @Elizhaa @Qawsedf234 @ByAsura @Sir_Ovens @Damage3245 @Starter_Pack @Ogbunabali @Abstractions @LordGriffin1000 @Colonel_Krukov

What do you think about this?

 

[Damage3245]

The Multipresence draft page looks good to me.

 

[Antvasima]

So should we move the contents of the Nigh-Omnipresence page to become a sub-type of Multipresence, and turn the page into a redirect link then?

 

[SamanPatou]

That's the idea.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That is probably fine then.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I don't have an issue with the addition of this ability.

 

[Starter_Pack]

This looks fine.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Wouldn't Bilocation or Multilocation be the more established name for the ability?

Killing one iteration of the character may result insufficient to terminate the greater being, as they still exist elsewhere.

Maybe it's my bad English, but "result" sounds weird to me in this context. Maybe "prove insufficient" instead?

I'm ok with this in any case.

A question, though: Would all hive mind characters have this or where would the line be drawn?

 

[SamanPatou]

Multilocation is also a good name.

Maybe it's my bad English, but "result" sounds weird to me in this context. Maybe "prove insufficient" instead?

I'm unsure if it's an actual error, but if it is, it's probably due to my italian brain which used a combination of words that is normal in my language.
"Prove insufficient" is good

A question, though: Would all hive mind characters have this or where would the line be drawn?

I actually wanted to draw a formal sentence to establish that characters who use simple/pure forms of Hive Mind and Duplication would just have said powers, since they overlap.

 

[Planck69]

The draft looks good to me.

 

[Ogbunabali]

The draft look good. Though, as usual, I disagree with the types, they seem unnecessary and needlessly restrictive.

 

[Abstractions]

Page concept looks fine, sorry that I don't have much to add to the subject.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Looks good.

 

[Eficiente]

What do you think about adding a sentence like "Note that multipresent characters aren't inherently immortal, and there must be good reasons to attribute any level of immortality (such as type 8) to them"

I like it, for one part it notes better that having the power doesn't always give immortality, but it still feels like someone could read it and think that if it gives immortality, that immortality would be type 8 (due to being many of the same character, in simple words), but the last sentence of our revised type 8 goes against it. So, was that what it was aiming for?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

@AKM sama @Promestein @DontTalkDT @Ultima_Reality @DarkDragonMedeus @SomebodyData @Celestial_Pegasus @Wokistan @Mr._Bambu @Elizhaa @Qawsedf234 @ByAsura @Sir_Ovens @Damage3245 @Starter_Pack @Ogbunabali @Abstractions @LordGriffin1000 @Colonel_Krukov

What do you think about this?

Frankly I think it's a bit convoluted for a power page, but I'm not against the concept.

 

[Eficiente]

There are plans to pause the creation of new powers in the future, but this one's cool.

 

[Elizhaa]

The page seems fine in practice.

 

[SomebodyData]

Sounds gucci

I don't see anything wrong with the draft, although maybe those who obtain the ability thru speed might count of as a limitation when something stops them from moving.

 

[SamanPatou]

Ok, I'm going to list the proposed tweaks, along with tagging the ones who proposed them, then update the draft if they get approved.


Adding the following line to the summary after Eficiente's request

The extension of this ability can escalate from occupying the entirety of relatively small areas, such as a house, to sensibly larger spaces, including planets, galaxies or even universes, effectively reaching levels of Nigh-Omnipresence/Sub-Omnipresence.

I like it, for one part it notes better that having the power doesn't always give immortality, but it still feels like someone could read it and think that if it gives immortality, that immortality would be type 8 (due to being many of the same character, in simple words), but the last sentence of our revised type 8 goes against it. So, was that what it was aiming for?

What if I remove the Such as type 8 from the sentence? In that way we would have a less misunderstandable:
Note that Multilocation users aren't inherently immortal, and there must be good reasons to attribute any type of immortality to them.

Wouldn't Bilocation or Multilocation be the more established name for the ability?

Changing the name of the page to Multilocation

A question, though: Would all hive mind characters have this or where would the line be drawn?

Would adding this sentence to the summary solve the issue?

Characters who only demonstrate to possess clear-cut cases of Hive Mind (such as the Mind Flayer), Avatar Creation (such as Darkseid) and Duplication (such as Naruto Uzumaki) should only have said abilities listed on their profile, in order to avoid redundancy.

The draft look good. Though, as usual, I disagree with the types, they seem unnecessary and needlessly restrictive.

I'm fine with having them removed, but what if we change them into Examples on the page itself?
I think it is necessary to keep a certain number of images and descriptions in order to show how broad the ability is, as it can be related to many different factors.

I don't see anything wrong with the draft, although maybe those who obtain the ability thru speed might count of as a limitation when something stops them from moving.

Isn't it already implied by default?

 

[DontTalkDT]

Would adding this sentence to the summary solve the issue?

Characters who only demonstrate to possess clear-cut cases of Hive Mind (such as the Mind Flayer), Avatar Creation (such as Darkseid) and Duplication (such as Naruto Uzumaki) should only have said abilities listed on their profile, in order to avoid redundancy.

Yeah, that sounds ok.

 

[Ogbunabali]

I'm fine with having them removed, but what if we change them into Examples on the page itself?
I think it is necessary to keep a certain number of images and descriptions in order to show how broad the ability is, as it can be related to many different factors.

Yeah, I don't mind if they're there as explanations by themselves, just not as types.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for the replies. It seems like this new ability page has been accepted then.

Or should we wait a bit more for further input?

 

[SamanPatou]

I just need Eficiente's response about the suggested fixes below, everything else has been corrected accordingly.

Adding the following line to the summary after Eficiente's request

The extension of this ability can escalate from occupying the entirety of relatively small areas, such as a house, to sensibly larger spaces, including planets, galaxies or even universes, effectively reaching levels of Nigh-Omnipresence/Sub-Omnipresence.

What if I remove the Such as type 8 from the sentence? In that way we would have a less misunderstandable:
Note that Multilocation users aren't inherently immortal, and there must be good reasons to attribute any type of immortality to them.

 

[Eficiente]

That would be perfect. I would personally outright write the equivalent to "do not apply type 8 immortality based on this power making you hard to kill" to avoid people from doing that, which I know they will be, but it isn't necessary as everything is understandable as it is.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

I'm fine with that. Outside of general agreement I don't have much to say that hasn't already been put forward.

 

[SamanPatou]

Even the last fixes have been applied to the craft, I'm going to create the page and a category for it once I have enough time, most likely later today.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for helping out.

 

[SamanPatou]

The page and the category are here, and I have added them to all the profiles mentioned on the page itself.

As usual, now we can either close this thread or wait for people to propose more characters.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. It looks good to me.

I have added a sub-category to Multilocation Users:

Nigh-Omnipresent Beings

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