Ness vs Frisk

[HomestuckLover1]

We all knew this was going to happen, and here it is folks!!!




This is post-eight melodies Ness vs Frisk with full determination.

As for how I think the fight would go, it's extremely hard for me to figure it out. Frisk has a higher DC and soul hax, but Ness has a MUCH longer range and mind hax. Speed basically shouldn't even be a factor in this fight since Ness is semi-omnipresent and Frisk with full determination is immeasurable in speed. So overall, I have to say this fight is EXTREMELY CLOSE.

I'd love to hear other ideas though.

 

[Pikachu942]

Frisk is technically slightly faster because Ness is only Semi-Omnipresent. Because of this plus the superior DC/Durability and their hax basically cancelling each other out, I'd give the advantage to Frisk.

 

[Squid_peanut]

would Frisk's high intellegence and double soul hinder psychic abilities?

 

[HomestuckLover1]

would Frisk's high intellegence and double soul hinder psychic abilities?

Not really, as he can and has mind raped geniuses and Giygas before.

 

[Promestein]

Frisk with full determination damaged and took blows from God Flowey, as well as Asriel. Ness is not touching that, and Frisk only needs to hit him once.

 

[HomestuckLover1]

Frisk with full determination damaged and took blows from God Flowey, as well as Asriel. Ness is not touching that, and Frisk only needs to hit him once.

Ummm, wut. Multi-Universal isn't actually that far from universal, ya know. God Flowey only seemed to be able to destroy and reset three "save files" AKA Timelines.

 

[Squid_peanut]

also hypnosis is probably useless on Frisk as they were able to get a good night's sleep in around two minutes. this puts them (going by national sleep foundation estimates for how many hours a child 6-13 must sleep being at minimum 9 hours) as being able to sleep 270 times faster than a normal person. so yeah

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Ummm, wut. Multi-Universal isn't actually that far from universal, ya know. God Flowey only seemed to be able to destroy and reset three "save files" AKA Timelines.

Six, IIRC.

 

[Squid_peanut]

Frisk with full determination damaged and took blows from God Flowey, as well as Asriel. Ness is not touching that, and Frisk only needs to hit him once.

Ummm, wut. Multi-Universal isn't actually that far from universal, ya know. God Flowey only seemed to be able to destroy and reset three "save files" AKA Timelines.

Flowey's file numbers go up to six he just only uses #2, 3, and 6

 

[HomestuckLover1]

Six, IIRC.

Oh. My bad.

 

[Promestein]

Uh. Multi-universal is actually a huge leap from universal.

 

[HomestuckLover1]

also hypnosis is probably useless on Frisk as they were able to get a good night's sleep in around two minutes. this puts them (going by national sleep foundation estimates for how many hours a child 6-13 must sleep being at minimum 9 hours) as being able to sleep 270 times faster than a normal person. so yeah

Um, two minutes is plenty of time to get some good damage on Frisk. Even then, I don't think you're supposed to think of it like it's how long they normally sleep, but sped up by a certain amount.

 

[HomestuckLover1]

Uh. Multi-universal is actually a huge leap from universal.

Not when it's just six. It's like, Ness has to get six good hits to cause the same amount of DC energy Frisk can cause with one good hit.

 

[Promestein]

Except Ness isn't damaging Frisk with any single blow. Six blows is going to be just as effective as one. That damage isn't piling up.

 

[HomestuckLover1]

It means Ness is going to need to get more hits in than Frisk, which is likely since he has a MUCH longer range

 

[Promestein]

Frisk literally needs to hit him once, and it's over, while Ness can't deal any damage to Frisk at all, no matter how many times he hits them.

It takes at LEAST multi-universal force to injure max determination Frisk. Ness is not generating that kind of power. Even if Ness has a range advantage, Frisk is so much faster that it doesn't matter. Their speeds are not comparable.

 

[Pikachu942]

Even if Ness kills him somehow even, Frisk's determination at max basically makes it so he never dies, he's too determined not to and comes right back.

Ness has no way of winning.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

You cannot grasp the true form of Frisk's defenses.

 

[HomestuckLover1]

Frisk literally needs to hit him once, and it's over, while Ness can't deal any damage to Frisk at all, no matter how many times he hits them.

It takes at LEAST multi-universal force to injure max determination Frisk. Ness is not generating that kind of power. Even if Ness has a range advantage, Frisk is so much faster that it doesn't matter. Their speeds are not comparable.

Not really. Ness could pretty much teleport to any point in the universe almost instantly. That's basically MFTL+ vs Immeasurable and they seem to kinda cancel each other out.

 

[HomestuckLover1]

Even if Ness kills him somehow even, Frisk's determination at max basically makes it so he never dies, he's too determined not to and comes right back.

Ness has no way of winning.

I should possibly write a rule that killing Frisk once counts as a win.

 

[Promestein]

Not really. Ness could pretty much teleport to any point in the universe almost instantly. That's basically MFTL+ vs Immeasurable and they seem to kinda cancel each other out.

... Uh, no. They really don't. You can't compare these speeds. This is 'moving really fast' compared to 'moving in dimensions we cannot comprehend'. Frisk is beyond the concept of time, while Ness is still limited by it. Frisk could actually just destroy the universe, timeline and all, and Ness wouldn't be able to stop them, let alone survive.

Anyways, Frisk being able to come back via Determination shouldn't be factored into fights unless their opponent can deal with it, which Ness can't. But Frisk doesn't need to come back to win this fight.

 

[Squid_peanut]

max determination Frisk can both use last dreams to hel aany damage ness can do, and use their hopes and temmie armer to resist even more. even with one life, killing Dr. Frisk (cause their M. D,) is a pain in the neck

 

[Angry_Dummy]

If the two are both going in at max power, Frisk wins by virute of taking hits from infinity, simply by refusing to acknowledge that it's impossible.

By the end of the game, they just decided that they don't want to lose all their progress because they died, so they just became immortal.

Eventually, Ness gets tired of this kid dodging all his attacks, falls on the ground exhausted, and opens his eyes to see Frisk standing over him. Frisk leans in, seemingly towering over him, Ness closes his eyes and prepares for the worst, and then...

• Smooch!*

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[Squid_peanut]

and then they exchange phone numbers

 

[Hyperception]

Frisk stomps

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Eventually, Ness gets tired of this kid dodging all his attacks, falls on the ground exhausted, and opens his eyes to see Frisk standing over him. Frisk leans in, seemingly towering over him, Ness closes his eyes and prepares for the worst, and then...

• Smooch!*

SPARE

-Megalovania remix plays over credits-

 

[ThePerpetual]

^Best ending.

But yeah, Frisk takes this one, being six times as strong/durable and infinitely faster and having determination and whatnot.

 

[Dexteradon12]

also hypnosis is probably useless on Frisk as they were able to get a good night's sleep in around two minutes. this puts them (going by national sleep foundation estimates for how many hours a child 6-13 must sleep being at minimum 9 hours) as being able to sleep 270 times faster than a normal person. so yeah

Um, two minutes is plenty of time to get some good damage on Frisk. Even then, I don't think you're supposed to think of it like it's how long they normally sleep, but sped up by a certain amount.

Nope. After walking down from the inn, the innkeep stated that Frisk was only up in his room for two minutes and gave him his money back.

 

[Angry_Dummy]

Ness: "Stop dodging!"

Frisk: "What? You think I'm just gonna stand there and take it?"

Nothing Ness can do is going to be that big of a deal for Frisk to dodge.

 

[Angry_Dummy]

So should we just mark this down as a victory for Frisk while the two kids go to Grillby's?

 

[EliminatorVenom]

Frisk.

 

[EliminatorVenom]

Frisk.

 

[Tghy71]

also hypnosis is probably useless on Frisk as they were able to get a good night's sleep in around two minutes. this puts them (going by national sleep foundation estimates for how many hours a child 6-13 must sleep being at minimum 9 hours) as being able to sleep 270 times faster than a normal person. so yeah

So was Ness. Have you ever played Earthbound?

 

[Dexteradon12]

also hypnosis is probably useless on Frisk as they were able to get a good night's sleep in around two minutes. this puts them (going by national sleep foundation estimates for how many hours a child 6-13 must sleep being at minimum 9 hours) as being able to sleep 270 times faster than a normal person. so yeah

So was Ness. Have you ever played Earthbound?

Well first it's not a gameplay element in Undertale like it is in earthbound, in undertale is directly stated by the innkeeper that "Wow, you got a full nights rest in less then two minutes. Here's your money back, come back when you actually want to spend the night and stuff". From experence I can say that doesn't happen in Earthbound.

Secondly, Frisk has no sort of hipnosis or ability to make Ness go to sleep, so the fact that Ness can get rested fast, even if he could, would never come into play, nor does it counter Frisk's ability to do so.

If you want to sound snarky and superior, do some research first. Otherwise, it makes you look like someone who's trying to be superiour without knowing what he's talking about and you get a semi-annoyed message from me. *Micdrop

 

[Drac32Drac]

I gotta give it to Frisk... if for no other reason than for just being too stubborn to die.

 

[Kirbyfan22222]

Full Determination...

Goodbye Ness along with the whole Earthbound universe

 

[MarvelFanatic119]

I think we need to close the thread. 2-B Vs. 3-A is a horrible stomp.

 

[Drac32Drac]

I think we need to close the thread. 2-B Vs. 3-A is a horrible stomp.

I agree, not even close now.