[R3M1] Ness vs Frisk [GRACE]

[MintyBoi1]

Spoiler: STORY

Plenty of upsets had gone by, Knuckles slaying the foul beast Kirby, a Hero falling to a Mecha, and a gamer Frogman beating the sh*t out of a Clam. It was time for the start of the third round, a fight between young protagonists with great powers.

Ness: …
Frisk: What’s with this guy?

Rules Stated Here

Characters:	Votes:
Ness	3
Frisk
Inconclusive

 

[MintyBoi1]

Ness is 15 Kilotons and Frisk is roughly from 7.6 to 16.04 to even 24.48. Leaning the mid end like before. Ness stomps in LS being Class M while Frisk is just Peak Human

 

[Froggytron]

Here are arguments for Frisk from the previous match:

-As long as they're making progress, Frisk won't lose much DT = stats
-Since this is Pre-Null Arc Frisk, they'd actually be just shy of two human SOULs worth of power

Frisk's skill mostly lies in dodging/blocking attacks, these are probably the most impressive showings

 

[Froggytron]

Also, Frisk should have his jet pack (able to fly fast enough to create afterimages) and shoot from the air with Energy Projection (Is able to transform their phone into an arm cannon[3]), also possessing Energy Absorption and Reflection (Via Charge Beam[16]). Has Ness some decent ranged/jumping/flying options to counter Frisk attacking from air with his ranged arsenal? Frisk also could start with Social Influencing instead, then using the jetpack with sniping if it fails

 

[MintyBoi1]

Ness has PK Flash which covers hundreds of meters, weaponry, and PK Rocking though that’s said to be the only PSI attack that can be avoided. Ness also has healing and his shields which reduce physical and non PSI energy attacks or reflects them depending on which Ness chooses. He also has bombs, snakes, pharaon’s curse, Rust promoter, his toothbrush, and other items.

Ness might just have this in the bag, PK Flash is the only thing that could possibly kill Frisk if we’re going in character, Ness has AOE so dodging may not work, he can heal and reflect any energy Frisk sends his way, he can rust machines, and he’s a genius.

 

[MintyBoi1]

I just noticed Frisk has some really good abilities not listed in the P&A section. Hope lets him reduce damage and Dream lets him heal all damage/status effects. Not sure if it would really change much with Ness’ advantages, but someone should add those

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

I just noticed Frisk has some really good abilities not listed in the P&A section. Hope lets him reduce damage and Dream lets him heal all damage/status effects. Not sure if it would really change much with Ness’ advantages, but someone should add those

I’ve noticed that with profiles before (Gergy, Kai looking at you). Profiles should really have all powers listed in depths in the powers and ability sections, especially in a tournament, otherwise a secret sweeper could weasel their way in

 

[MintyBoi1]

I’ve noticed that with profiles before (Gergy, Kai looking at you). Profiles should really have all powers listed in depths in the powers and ability sections, especially in a tournament, otherwise a secret sweeper could weasel their way in

Seriously, Kai just had stupid speed amps not mentioned

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

I just noticed Frisk has some really good abilities not listed in the P&A section. Hope lets him reduce damage and Dream lets him heal all damage/status effects.

They did showcase Hope in the Prologue and Dream can probably be assumed to have the same effect that it has in canon, so ye

Ness has PK Flash which covers hundreds of meters, weaponry, and PK Rocking though that’s said to be the only PSI attack that can be avoided. Ness also has healing and his shields which reduce physical and non PSI energy attacks or reflects them depending on which Ness chooses. He also has bombs, snakes, pharaon’s curse, Rust promoter, his toothbrush, and other items.

Ness might just have this in the bag, PK Flash is the only thing that could possibly kill Frisk if we’re going in character, Ness has AOE so dodging may not work, he can heal and reflect any energy Frisk sends his way, he can rust machines, and he’s a genius.

Orange Mode's Limited Invulnerability might let them deal with the AoE attacks, or maybe they could just block it with Charge Mode Spear and redirect em back at Ness
Also depending on what Frisk has, they're also chock full of healing items and such, most of which are Full Heals due to Frisk's LV1 HP

 

[MintyBoi1]

Orange Mode's Limited Invulnerability might let them deal with the AoE attacks, or maybe they could just block it with Charge Mode Spear and redirect em back at Ness
Also depending on what Frisk has, they're also chock full of healing items and such, most of which are Full Heals due to Frisk's LV1 HP

Can Frisk become orange at will? Ness has heals and attack reflection as well so that won’t really help. Ness should outlast having superhuman stamina

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Can Frisk become orange at will? Ness has heals and attack reflection as well so that won’t really help. Ness should outlast having superhuman stamina

Frisk goes orange by pressing on the orange button on their phone, seems like it doesn't really have a time-limit either
Should be noted that Frisk would probably try to deescalate the situation instead of just outmuscling Ness, that's how they dealt with most of the underground

 

[MintyBoi1]

Frisk goes orange by pressing on the orange button on their phone, seems like it doesn't really have a time-limit either
Should be noted that Frisk would probably try to deescalate the situation instead of just outmuscling Ness, that's how they dealt with most of the underground

PK Flash is a status effect move, so invulnerability shouldn’t help. Ness could make Frisk cry uncontrollably and incap him from there. I’m not sure if Frisk could win by SI since he knows nothing about Ness and Ness is used to fighting other people. Maybe it could work since Ness is a good guy, though SBA makes fighters assume there’s dire consequences for loss and Frisk doesn’t have any mind control.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

I’m not sure if Frisk could win by SI since he knows nothing about Ness and Ness is used to fighting other people

Frisk doesn't really know much about the monsters they encounter either, but Check should give enough information on Ness,
Even in a Tournament setting (With Papyrus) they won their fights by:
1-Taking the spotlight from Glyde, making him forfeit 2-BFRing So Sorry with his own tablet 3-Made Undyne fall out of the ring by breaking her focus

 

[MintyBoi1]

Was there any consequences for losing that tournament?

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Was there any consequences for losing that tournament?

Nah
Edit: Actually they'd lose the chance at being part of Mettaton's upcoming summer flick

 

[MintyBoi1]

I assume dire consequences means death/injury to Ness or his loved ones, so I don’t think he could be convinced before he uses PK Flash or something else on Frisk to incap him.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Bump

 

[MintyBoi1]

Bump

 

[Froggytron]

PK Flash is a status effect move, so invulnerability shouldn’t help. Ness could make Frisk cry uncontrollably and incap him from there. I’m not sure if Frisk could win by SI since he knows nothing about Ness and Ness is used to fighting other people. Maybe it could work since Ness is a good guy, though SBA makes fighters assume there’s dire consequences for loss and Frisk doesn’t have any mind control.

Frisk also has the sleep hax to match it, one would cry and the other fall asleep

Frisk doesn't really know much about the monsters they encounter either, but Check should give enough information on Ness,
Even in a Tournament setting (With Papyrus) they won their fights by:
1-Taking the spotlight from Glyde, making him forfeit 2-BFRing So Sorry with his own tablet 3-Made Undyne fall out of the ring by breaking her focus

Does Frisk have some other attack options to deal with Ness? Or could Frisk somehow spare Ness in a way giving Frisk the win?

 

[MintyBoi1]

Frisk also has the sleep hax to match it, one would cry and the other fall asleep

Does Frisk have some other attack options to deal with Ness? Or could Frisk somehow spare Ness in a way giving Frisk the win?

Going off the game, Frisk only uses that against enemies susceptible like one who needs to sleep so he might not use it on Ness. Plus that’s kinda been debunked since he just sings, Knight Knight is a special case. Maybe Inverted Fate changes it somehow but as it is it won’t help. I also do not think Ness would willingly surrender under Standard Battle Assumptions.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Ness has protection against Sleep with the Cherub Band

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

I reviewed the thread, and I think I will vote Ness FRA

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Just found out that Ness has a guaranteed Paralysis PSI, and like Frisk can't really do anything to Ness if he does that, so lad wins lol

 

[MintyBoi1]

Grace