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"So basically, the only way Ness can win is basically for the Truth to eventually do something in some vague way?"
Erm, not really actually. It's not the "only" way he can win, read my previous replies. And honestly, I can't really blame you for thinking that Truth would do something vague to let the boy win. Ahem Say Ness were to die and in some cases incapacitated (as the Diamondizatio status effect counts as a defeat in game), Truth would just revert it, making it never happen. This is represented in game when you get a game over, explaining that it is all a "Bad dream".
"First of all, while I haven't played Earthbound, I'm pretty sure that like in most RPGs, Status effects don't last for eternity."
Yare Yare Daze... many RPG games has status alignment that last indefinitely until you cure them. Here, these are most of the status effects in EarthBound that last until cured: Diamondization, Possesion, Mashroomization, Paralysis, Poison, Nausea, Cold, Crying (However this can wear off after battle). Here Ness has Paralysis to render Bugs physical movements muda and Flash to either decrease his accuracy or killing him off instantly there since those are the higher probabilities.
"Second of all, while I understand that the previously (and constantly) mentioned Fate Manipulation is quite formidable... How useful is it in such a scenario? Don't get me wrong, for a kind to be able to defeat a universe-destroying monster is pretty impressive, but it seems like the truth simply allowed him to do this it was his destinity to complete his quest."
uhh this is 7-B Ness, aka Pre Magicant Ness who is still completing his journey, as in Giygas in this setting still exist and needs Ness to stop em. If Ness dies, this means the universe is doomed, and not just that, it only proves to Truth that Bugs is a threat (Tho he is omniscient, so it would see Bugs as a threat regardless). Also, Fate hax, let's discuss that shall we? People misinterprets this most of the time It's no Incon button and it's no "Win" Button (well sometimes it is). It's a "Don't lose" button, where essentially it is where Ness is not supposed to lose at all since he is supposed to restore order to the universe and stop those that poses a threat to the Universe. Which here, Bugs is clearly doing.
"What im trying to say is that from what I can understand, Ness' fate is to defeat Gygas, thus he won't die in this battle, yes, but it's not like it would allow him to win every possible fight against anyone he comes across, especially if Ness himself, who by the way, has very few hax, is fighting against an enemy that is humoungously more pwoerful than him, immortal, and loaded with more abilities than anything ever, who most importantly, has no affilation with Gygas nor is a threat to the universe in a similar way. Oh, and Ness's fate manipualtion doesn't seem to have any feats of bullshitting his way to victory in sucha ridicolous way to win a battle like this."
It's not just because of Giygas my guy. He is literally protected by Truth at all times. He can lose against those that aren't allied with Giyg, such as Everdred and Frank Fly and still have Truth reverting his lost. And also, what you just said about Bugs... it only further proves my point. He's strong, has more abilities, etc. All the more reasons to let Ness win. Despite both Ness and Giygas being Low 2-C, the upper bounds of the tier are unquantifiably larger than the lower bounds. Giygas was significantly more powerful than Ness to the point where he was Invulnerable to all damage, but still within the Low 2-C range. The point is, the gap between Low 7-B and High 4-C is nothing new.
"The only way I can see ness winning is if Bugs for some reason decided to let Ness go or to befriend him becuase of Fate hax, but then again, don't see what would stop Bugs from punching the poor boy to mars and wait a week to pass before Ness manages to get back on Earth."
Ness's actual win condition is with PK Flash and Incapping with Paralysis (That's unless his Plot Manipulation is thought based). None of that is going to work because of SBA, which assumes that both are willing to kill but still lead with stuff they usually use. If Bugs were to punch Ness, Truth would revert it. the end.
Erm, not really actually. It's not the "only" way he can win, read my previous replies. And honestly, I can't really blame you for thinking that Truth would do something vague to let the boy win. Ahem Say Ness were to die and in some cases incapacitated (as the Diamondizatio status effect counts as a defeat in game), Truth would just revert it, making it never happen. This is represented in game when you get a game over, explaining that it is all a "Bad dream".
"First of all, while I haven't played Earthbound, I'm pretty sure that like in most RPGs, Status effects don't last for eternity."
Yare Yare Daze... many RPG games has status alignment that last indefinitely until you cure them. Here, these are most of the status effects in EarthBound that last until cured: Diamondization, Possesion, Mashroomization, Paralysis, Poison, Nausea, Cold, Crying (However this can wear off after battle). Here Ness has Paralysis to render Bugs physical movements muda and Flash to either decrease his accuracy or killing him off instantly there since those are the higher probabilities.
"Second of all, while I understand that the previously (and constantly) mentioned Fate Manipulation is quite formidable... How useful is it in such a scenario? Don't get me wrong, for a kind to be able to defeat a universe-destroying monster is pretty impressive, but it seems like the truth simply allowed him to do this it was his destinity to complete his quest."
uhh this is 7-B Ness, aka Pre Magicant Ness who is still completing his journey, as in Giygas in this setting still exist and needs Ness to stop em. If Ness dies, this means the universe is doomed, and not just that, it only proves to Truth that Bugs is a threat (Tho he is omniscient, so it would see Bugs as a threat regardless). Also, Fate hax, let's discuss that shall we? People misinterprets this most of the time It's no Incon button and it's no "Win" Button (well sometimes it is). It's a "Don't lose" button, where essentially it is where Ness is not supposed to lose at all since he is supposed to restore order to the universe and stop those that poses a threat to the Universe. Which here, Bugs is clearly doing.
"What im trying to say is that from what I can understand, Ness' fate is to defeat Gygas, thus he won't die in this battle, yes, but it's not like it would allow him to win every possible fight against anyone he comes across, especially if Ness himself, who by the way, has very few hax, is fighting against an enemy that is humoungously more pwoerful than him, immortal, and loaded with more abilities than anything ever, who most importantly, has no affilation with Gygas nor is a threat to the universe in a similar way. Oh, and Ness's fate manipualtion doesn't seem to have any feats of bullshitting his way to victory in sucha ridicolous way to win a battle like this."
It's not just because of Giygas my guy. He is literally protected by Truth at all times. He can lose against those that aren't allied with Giyg, such as Everdred and Frank Fly and still have Truth reverting his lost. And also, what you just said about Bugs... it only further proves my point. He's strong, has more abilities, etc. All the more reasons to let Ness win. Despite both Ness and Giygas being Low 2-C, the upper bounds of the tier are unquantifiably larger than the lower bounds. Giygas was significantly more powerful than Ness to the point where he was Invulnerable to all damage, but still within the Low 2-C range. The point is, the gap between Low 7-B and High 4-C is nothing new.
"The only way I can see ness winning is if Bugs for some reason decided to let Ness go or to befriend him becuase of Fate hax, but then again, don't see what would stop Bugs from punching the poor boy to mars and wait a week to pass before Ness manages to get back on Earth."
Ness's actual win condition is with PK Flash and Incapping with Paralysis (That's unless his Plot Manipulation is thought based). None of that is going to work because of SBA, which assumes that both are willing to kill but still lead with stuff they usually use. If Bugs were to punch Ness, Truth would revert it. the end.
R eat shit" FRA.
