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I was looking over the Neron (Pre-Flashpoint) page because it was relevant to another CRT I was participating in.
I think he should be changed to 2-C, possibly 2-A as his best scaling comes from Hector Hall.
Attack Potency
These are the current justifications for his Low 1-C attack potency
1. One of Neron's manifestations can Harm The Spectre[3],
Spectre's Low 1-C key is for his unbound state, which is the first problem. Likewise, all that Neron ultimately accomplishes is pushing back Spectre (not injuring him) and then he separates Spectre from Jim Corrigan, which is impressive, but not necessarily "can destroy a Low Complex Multiverse" level.
Even if we do scale Neron to Spectre, the only Low 1-C scan on Spectre's profile is a single scaling to Thunderbolt. Thunderbolt doesn't have a profile so I am not sure what the basis was for calling this 1-C. I assume it's scaling to Mxy? This seems erroneous to me because Mxy's profile has him High 1-C in the 5th Dimension, outside it's "varies up to 2-A." Though perhaps that can be hashed out in another CRT.
2. Neron's contracts cannot be broken even by the power of the Spectre[3],
This seems to speak more to hax and rules of magic than anything else.
3. Neron can control hell's structure with ease and the totality of its reality is subject to Neron's rules,
The first scan doesn't say Neron can control hell's structure. The only thing stated about it is Neron saying "this realm is responsive to your desires" and Hell's "structure" is not mentioned at all. Perhaps the wrong scan was linked, but this scan doesn't say anything about Neron's power.
The second scan seems to be misrepresented. The description is "totality of [Hell's] reality is subject to Neron's rules" but the wording in the scan itself is far more conservative. He says "What a pity you are now in my realm, and forced to deal with a reality that operates by my rules."
I think it's kind of a huge stretch to use this statement to say he can reality warp all of Hell at will. Such an interpretation doesn't seem to be supported by what happens in the scan, since he immediately starts writhing in pain from someone's presence, and then tries to blast them with hand beams after and they still dodge it.
4. created an entire world inside Hell, where Richard Dragon could fight and was unable to die[42] and
That's just literally how Hell works. In this scan explaining how Hell works, it's more of a state of mind than a place. There's a hell for every damned soul. So the existence of a special realm where Dragon fights and dies, but comes back to life over and over, just seems like run of the mill Hell. I don't think it scales Neron to Low 1-C.
Neron even says during that sequence, when asked if the realm is real, "What is real, after all? This may be shadow play. It may be a dream."
5. possibly deformed its structure when Flash entered Hell, changing the place constantly[33])
Nothing in this scan suggests Neron is doing that, and even if he were, he may simply be doing it to the immediate surroundings of the Flash rather than the entire structure of Hell.
Durability
Neron does have a durability feat scaling to Classic Fate
Durability: Low Complex Multiverse level (Took no damage from the Hector Hall[43],
However, Hector Hall's current rating is 2-C, possibly 2-A
Overall, I think this might just be a case of outdated scaling.
Neron (Pre-Flashpoint)
Neron is a powerful Demon King who has been making deals with various heroes and supervillains to give them something they want in exchange for their souls. He has been an enemy of The Spectre, Deadman, the Justice League, and other magical beings until he was defeated by Lord Satanus and Blaze...
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I think he should be changed to 2-C, possibly 2-A as his best scaling comes from Hector Hall.
Attack Potency
These are the current justifications for his Low 1-C attack potency
1. One of Neron's manifestations can Harm The Spectre[3],
Spectre's Low 1-C key is for his unbound state, which is the first problem. Likewise, all that Neron ultimately accomplishes is pushing back Spectre (not injuring him) and then he separates Spectre from Jim Corrigan, which is impressive, but not necessarily "can destroy a Low Complex Multiverse" level.
Even if we do scale Neron to Spectre, the only Low 1-C scan on Spectre's profile is a single scaling to Thunderbolt. Thunderbolt doesn't have a profile so I am not sure what the basis was for calling this 1-C. I assume it's scaling to Mxy? This seems erroneous to me because Mxy's profile has him High 1-C in the 5th Dimension, outside it's "varies up to 2-A." Though perhaps that can be hashed out in another CRT.
2. Neron's contracts cannot be broken even by the power of the Spectre[3],
This seems to speak more to hax and rules of magic than anything else.
3. Neron can control hell's structure with ease and the totality of its reality is subject to Neron's rules,
The first scan doesn't say Neron can control hell's structure. The only thing stated about it is Neron saying "this realm is responsive to your desires" and Hell's "structure" is not mentioned at all. Perhaps the wrong scan was linked, but this scan doesn't say anything about Neron's power.
The second scan seems to be misrepresented. The description is "totality of [Hell's] reality is subject to Neron's rules" but the wording in the scan itself is far more conservative. He says "What a pity you are now in my realm, and forced to deal with a reality that operates by my rules."
I think it's kind of a huge stretch to use this statement to say he can reality warp all of Hell at will. Such an interpretation doesn't seem to be supported by what happens in the scan, since he immediately starts writhing in pain from someone's presence, and then tries to blast them with hand beams after and they still dodge it.
4. created an entire world inside Hell, where Richard Dragon could fight and was unable to die[42] and
That's just literally how Hell works. In this scan explaining how Hell works, it's more of a state of mind than a place. There's a hell for every damned soul. So the existence of a special realm where Dragon fights and dies, but comes back to life over and over, just seems like run of the mill Hell. I don't think it scales Neron to Low 1-C.
Neron even says during that sequence, when asked if the realm is real, "What is real, after all? This may be shadow play. It may be a dream."
5. possibly deformed its structure when Flash entered Hell, changing the place constantly[33])
Nothing in this scan suggests Neron is doing that, and even if he were, he may simply be doing it to the immediate surroundings of the Flash rather than the entire structure of Hell.
Durability
Neron does have a durability feat scaling to Classic Fate
Durability: Low Complex Multiverse level (Took no damage from the Hector Hall[43],
However, Hector Hall's current rating is 2-C, possibly 2-A
Overall, I think this might just be a case of outdated scaling.
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