Necrozma's Speed... What's up with that?

[ZephyrosOmega]

So, Necrozma and comparable legendaries are all supposedly MFTL because of ultra wormholes. But... this sort of goes against the whole conception of wormholes in general? Like, i know they say you crossed however many light years, but there's nothing actually indicating the wormholes themselves are than long, rather than just being glorified portals. Maybe I'm wrong and there's further justification, but the distance traveled through a wormhole shouldn't be MFTL on its own.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Yeah, travelling through a wormhole isn't a speed feat when a wormwhole warps the fabric of space-time to connect two different points in space.

Of course unless there's further context to these wormholes that is.

 

[Antoniofer]

The reason was cuz when finishing the travel game stell you that you arrived x lightyears away from the starting point, and since teleporting to another dimension is not measured in distance, people assumed it refering to the distance between each portal. Although, displaced space could be a thing, and teleporting to mirror universe could not necessary end in the same coordinates, and appear x distance away from the equivalent coordinate.

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

soo... downgrade?

 

[Antoniofer]

I'm not the most knowledgeable about the power,so it do not depends entirely of me. You may ask other staff.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

why this under vs threads?

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

why this under vs threads?

...oh, yknow...


****.

 

[Antoniofer]

Moved to Q&A for the time being.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Well I agree with the OP unless there is further context.

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

bump

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Because Ultra Space is several lightyears wide and the legendaries have to travel said lightyears when going through the wormholes to other universes.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

But if they're going through a wormhole to do that, it would be taking a shortcut.

 

[Antoniofer]

Technically it says that the character appeared x lightyears from the original place, not that it travelled that distance, so it could be misleading.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Dude they're literally, physically flying through space. The wormholes just take them to ultra space, where they do all the light years stuff before finding an exit.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Flying through Ultra Space is physical distance (hence light years)

The Light Trio don't get the speed via traveling through Ultra Wormholes. They get the speed traveling to Ultra Wormholes. Once you enter Ultra Space through an Ultra Wormhole, you have to physically travel an X amount of light years to find and reach the Ultra Wormhole you want to go through to reach that universe.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Alright, if that's the case then I have no problem with the speed.

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

Flying through Ultra Space is physical distance (hence light years)
The Light Trio don't get the speed via traveling through Ultra Wormholes. They get the speed traveling to Ultra Wormholes. Once you enter Ultra Space through an Ultra Wormhole, you have to physically travel an X amount of light years to find and reach the Ultra Wormhole you want to go through to reach that universe.

source?

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

cause that's not even like, remotely implied in the games

 

[NeoZex6399]

Each portal leads to other universes or timelines, it's obvious that light years don't apply to the portals.

I'm also sure that the further you travel with Solgaleo or Lunala through ultra space the more light years they cross.

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

"Once you enter Ultra Space through an Ultra Wormhole, you have to physically travel an X amount of light years to find and reach the Ultra Wormhole you want to go through to reach that universe."

That assumes that the light-years mentioned refers to the distance of the Ultra Space, and not because of the wormholes cutting through space to make the trip shorter. Because um, Ultra Wormholes do that? They cut through space. Also there's no statement that: A) The Ultra Space is actually that big B) That you actually travel that distance via the Ultra Space. For all we know, it could be via the Ultra Wormhole's spatial cutting property that makes you go several lightyears beyond. It's not defined, and besides, it's likely that the Ultra Space is just something similar to a time stream, which isn't actual distance.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

It is if you actually pay attention.

0:22, the player enters and travels through the Ultra Wormhole.

0:28, the player leaves the Ultra Wormhole and enters Ultra Space.

This is NOT where the speed comes from at this point. Lets continue.

0:29 - 1:33, the player physically travels around in Ultra Space on Lunala to find the Wormhole the player wants to go into and they enter one.

1:40, the player is now out of the Ultra Wormole and in the world that it leads to. As soon as you exit the Ultra Wormhole and arrive in the universe it leads to, this is the exact text that comes up:

"You arrived at a warp hole that was 2,350 light-years away from where you were."

Again, "you arrived at a warp hole."

This is where the speed feat would come from. It explicitly says that the warp-hole was 2,350 light years away from where the player was. As such, the player and Lunala traveled 2,350 light years in Ultra Space to reach this warp hole.

So again, traveling through an Ultra Wormhole that takes you to Ultra Space is not the speed feat. Traveling around in Ultra Space to find and reach warp holes that are an x amount of light years away from where you first enter Ultra Space is the speed feat.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

That would assume that:

-Entire universes are mere lightyears away from each other. Hell, it would mean that several entire universes would exist within a few hundreds lightyears.

-The fact that the lightyears counter gets higher the further you go in Ultra Space is just a coincidence. Or that going a bit further in ultra space allows you to access wormholes that are entire universes away.

Also Ultra Space is a whole dimension with arguably stars in it. We don't need a statement to tell us how big it is.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Also Ultra Space is a whole dimension with arguably stars in it. We don't need a statement to tell us how big it is.

Actually its more than that.

If you look at when Solgaleo and Lunala use their Z-Moves to send opponents into Ultra Space, you can see Nebulae in the background. And considering this is a realm that leads to countless other universes/timelines, and this realm is measured in light-years as distance (which we know), im pretty sure Ultra Space can be accepted as being a universe in itself.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Yeah, I agree with Saikou and Kukui here.

 

[ThatDarnFish]

I don't think the Ultra Warp is Ultra Space itself. It's an Ultra Wormhole that links to other ultra wormholes that link to other universes in Ultra Space. It's more a highway than an Ultra Space itself. If it's the Pokemon themselves moving at MFTL speeds, or an effect of the spatial warp, I dunno. But I'd like to believe that anything that goes through the warp gets to other wormholes at similar speeds. the non Legendary UBs seem to do it on their own.

 

[Ovrhide]

While I agree with saikou on the matter, are there other speed feats? I'm curious to know.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

There is like one MFTL+ feat in Mystery Dungon, buuut it only scale to this arse hole.