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>No, it's not more clarification. It is an entirely different timeline.
That only goes as far as the anime does and even then the feat in itself is not that different. The game and this manga's storyline is almost 100% the same thing with obvious minor differences.
>Just like the anime (which, by the way, portrays the feat in question vastly differently despite using the same source material).
The only thing thats "different" about the feat itself in the anime is the location of which Necrozma does its feat, which doesnt change anything in the long run.
>The manga being an adapted version of the game's story does not suddenly make the two of them the same.
No more different than the ORAS manga and the ORAS plot of the games and we take them as the same. This isnt any different. Obviously its not 100% the same thing because the manga treats these game characters as actual characters with their own storylines as alternate universes. But with a verse who's multiverse includes the game, anime and manga all together as one big multiverse, this doesnt and should not have any relevant effect at all.
In the context of Necrozma, this manga version and the games version of the feat are literally no different. It's Necrozma lighting up Ultra Space, the manga only goes deeper into what Necrozma does. That is not a difference.
>This misses what I am trying to say, and also doesn't matter. Pokemon is not exempt from the standards of every other verse because it's Pokemon.
This is not what I at all meant and you know that Azzy. I never said anything about Pokemon "being exempt" or getting special treatment and was not trying to even imply that. Im saying that you cannot use other verses as some explanation of why an upgrade cannot apply to another verse when they are different. Pokemon is not those other verses, you have to look at this as a case by case basis. Just because one verse doesnt get something doesnt mean another one cant.
>Base Necrozma being a 'mon who, in this very story, showed the capacity to casually defeat a pair of legendaries who on their own could casually defeat hordes of UBs in a single shot.
Which is literally no different than Base Necrozma casually beating Solgaleo and Lunala in the games. It's obvious even a Base Necrozma is much stronger than them, I never contested that. What I am saying is that this doesnt mean the latter 2 are so insignificant that they do not exist in the same realm of power as Base Necro. You can be far weaker than someone and still scale to them, even if by a small minimal extent.
Especially since the 2 legendaries in question here are ones Necrozma needs in order to regain his 4-B form.
>Nobody is saying "Zygarde is not comparable to UBs". I'm saying that none of these things have yet demonstrated being comparable to Ultra Necrozma, and that backwards scaling scores of 'mons to him despite them all being far weaker than even his incomplete state is not how we do things. Especially not before said story has even finished and Necrozma has even shown up.
Well for one, Necromza has shown up in the story, twice. So thats not correct.
Two, refer to my previous point. Far weaker =/= cannot scale at all. That said, I never disagreed with waiting on any kind of upgrade (besides just Necrozma here), I personally still agree with waiting until the story is completely finished. All I was pointing out before is that, for Zygarde, this just makes it more likely that him being on the level of the UB's is true. Thats it. Im not arguing for any upgrade for Zygarde or other legendaries yet as of now.
>What can make something like this an outlier is trying to scale it to scores of people. Feats themselves are rarely outliers in a vacuum.
Even if those people are placed where they are because of casual feats and pure scaling? Because there are literally only 3 5-B legendaries in the verse that have their own quantifiable 5-B feats, the rest are where they are because of scaling chains. And those 5-B feats are casual. Had they not been, i'd be more inclined to agree with 4-B being outliers for them.
I dont know what a termagant and that verse is, so I can't comment on that. But what I can say is this. You cannot use casual feats and scaling chains to determine if something is an outlier and the reasons behind that should be somewhat clear. If a feat is not done at a regular or total capacity of a characters capabilities, then the outlier argument cant apply to them.
That only goes as far as the anime does and even then the feat in itself is not that different. The game and this manga's storyline is almost 100% the same thing with obvious minor differences.
>Just like the anime (which, by the way, portrays the feat in question vastly differently despite using the same source material).
The only thing thats "different" about the feat itself in the anime is the location of which Necrozma does its feat, which doesnt change anything in the long run.
>The manga being an adapted version of the game's story does not suddenly make the two of them the same.
No more different than the ORAS manga and the ORAS plot of the games and we take them as the same. This isnt any different. Obviously its not 100% the same thing because the manga treats these game characters as actual characters with their own storylines as alternate universes. But with a verse who's multiverse includes the game, anime and manga all together as one big multiverse, this doesnt and should not have any relevant effect at all.
In the context of Necrozma, this manga version and the games version of the feat are literally no different. It's Necrozma lighting up Ultra Space, the manga only goes deeper into what Necrozma does. That is not a difference.
>This misses what I am trying to say, and also doesn't matter. Pokemon is not exempt from the standards of every other verse because it's Pokemon.
This is not what I at all meant and you know that Azzy. I never said anything about Pokemon "being exempt" or getting special treatment and was not trying to even imply that. Im saying that you cannot use other verses as some explanation of why an upgrade cannot apply to another verse when they are different. Pokemon is not those other verses, you have to look at this as a case by case basis. Just because one verse doesnt get something doesnt mean another one cant.
>Base Necrozma being a 'mon who, in this very story, showed the capacity to casually defeat a pair of legendaries who on their own could casually defeat hordes of UBs in a single shot.
Which is literally no different than Base Necrozma casually beating Solgaleo and Lunala in the games. It's obvious even a Base Necrozma is much stronger than them, I never contested that. What I am saying is that this doesnt mean the latter 2 are so insignificant that they do not exist in the same realm of power as Base Necro. You can be far weaker than someone and still scale to them, even if by a small minimal extent.
Especially since the 2 legendaries in question here are ones Necrozma needs in order to regain his 4-B form.
>Nobody is saying "Zygarde is not comparable to UBs". I'm saying that none of these things have yet demonstrated being comparable to Ultra Necrozma, and that backwards scaling scores of 'mons to him despite them all being far weaker than even his incomplete state is not how we do things. Especially not before said story has even finished and Necrozma has even shown up.
Well for one, Necromza has shown up in the story, twice. So thats not correct.
Two, refer to my previous point. Far weaker =/= cannot scale at all. That said, I never disagreed with waiting on any kind of upgrade (besides just Necrozma here), I personally still agree with waiting until the story is completely finished. All I was pointing out before is that, for Zygarde, this just makes it more likely that him being on the level of the UB's is true. Thats it. Im not arguing for any upgrade for Zygarde or other legendaries yet as of now.
>What can make something like this an outlier is trying to scale it to scores of people. Feats themselves are rarely outliers in a vacuum.
Even if those people are placed where they are because of casual feats and pure scaling? Because there are literally only 3 5-B legendaries in the verse that have their own quantifiable 5-B feats, the rest are where they are because of scaling chains. And those 5-B feats are casual. Had they not been, i'd be more inclined to agree with 4-B being outliers for them.
I dont know what a termagant and that verse is, so I can't comment on that. But what I can say is this. You cannot use casual feats and scaling chains to determine if something is an outlier and the reasons behind that should be somewhat clear. If a feat is not done at a regular or total capacity of a characters capabilities, then the outlier argument cant apply to them.
