Nasuverse: various revisions.

[HyperZero95]

Ok let's recap so far:

ORT and Roa seems to have been accepted.

Archetype Earth and MB stuff is rejected.

Powered Ciel being low 6-B is still being discussed i think?

It's better to wait for Mahou translation before updating Touko.

 

[CrystalValley]

Disagree with Arcuied scaling above Void because in the first place it's an interview and we know how those can be unreliable and prone to being retconed by later showings especially considering that said interview is from 2007 and that he said "Excluding servants"

Also Using melty blood as a reference point means that Void Shiki Likley wasnt even the subject of Arcuieds statment in the first place because she never takes over meaning "Shiki" was still the one that was doing the talking and Likley the one Arcuied was referring to even then we know that Void never really uses her abilities even in the Garden of Sinners event she just flat out refuses to use them so idk about using the fact that Arcuied was confident she could beat her as a reason to scale her above Void Shiki

again, i really don't care about people agreeing or disagreeing, but seeing double standards like using massively contradicted interview statements like trying to scale Servants to Tsukihime, then suddenly this that isn't contradicted and somewhat supported by source material is really weird. this site needs to figure out a scaling method and stick to it.

but yeah, think this thread can move on with just accepting the Roa and ORT stuff.

 

[Violatas]

Regarding using WoG stuff from Nasu, I think the best way to balance it is to use whichever ones aren't really contradicted, as for ones that are, they can be ignored if there's enough evidence going against them. Some stuff he's said is definitely outdated; others not so much.

That or we just ignore WoG stuff from him entirely.

But meh. I do agree though that there's been blatant double standards with using WoG stuff from him here. I feel alot of Type Moon characters profiles should be revised on this site from profiles I've seen, but that's a different debate.

But uh yeah, can the Roa and ORT stuff be applied now? There's been literally zero opposition against those at this point.

 

[HyperZero95]

Aaaaand bump

 

[HyperZero95]

@Confluctor Can i add the changes we have agreed on?

 

[HyperZero95]

Bump

 

[HyperZero95]

@CrimsonStarFallen , can i go ahead with the changes to ORT and Roa? Everyone seems to agree on those.

 

[Darksmash]

@CrimsonStarFallen , can i go ahead with the changes to ORT and Roa? Everyone seems to agree on those.

Normal users can't tag. You should go and post on their wall if you want to get their attention to the thread.

 

[Antvasima]

@Confluctor Can i add the changes we have agreed on?

@CrimsonStarFallen , can i go ahead with the changes to ORT and Roa? Everyone seems to agree on those.

@Confluctor @CrimsonStarFallen

 

[Antvasima]

Also, can somebody explain the conclusions here so far in an easy to understand manner please?

 

[Violatas]

ORT being the strongest Type being removed from the profile and Roa getting a buff

 

[CrystalValley]

Also, can somebody explain the conclusions here so far in an easy to understand manner please?

Type-Mercury (ORT) is getting a small edit to his attack potency description to where him being stated to be above Archetype-Earth is removed, because this is not supported in any official material. this doesn't affect his tier rating though.

Michael Roa Valdamjon's last key in his prime is getting upgraded to 1-C and his general stats to scale above Crimson Moon.

these are the two that have been accepted by everyone here.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Please elaborate further regarding the reasoning for both.

 

[CrystalValley]

Okay. Please elaborate further regarding the reasoning for both.

Roa is stated to be the strongest vampire and Dead Apostle, which puts him above Crimson Moon, who is considered both and rated as 1-C with immeasurable speed. Roa has a lot of knowledge on vampires, so his statement isn't empty and is backed up by him beating someone who scales to Crimson Moon (Altrouge), along with her beast Primate Murder that has been compared to Crimson Moon before. he also stole Arcueid's power for himself, who is stated to rival Crimson Moon in scale and existence and killed all of the True Ancestors except one. so basically he has statements scaling him above Crimson Moon and feats to back it up.

Crimson Moon's profile is here.

Crimson Moon

Brunestud of the Crimson Moon (朱あかい月つきのブリュンスタッド, Akai Tsuki no Buryunsutaddo?), also called Crimson Moon, is the Ultimate One of the Moon and the Third of the Twenty-Seven Dead Apostle Ancestors. He was the first Ultimate One to answer the call of Gaia, and in exchange for the creation of a...

vsbattles.fandom.com

ORT/Type-Mercury's AP is just getting adjusted to say that he should be comparable to other Types, as opposed to specifically saying he is stronger than Archetype-Earth, which is never stated anywhere or even implied in any source material and is basically fanfiction. but his tier stays the same.

 

[Confluctor]

@Confluctor @CrimsonStarFallen

Better ask Crimson, I wasn't involved here

 

[Antvasima]

Roa is stated to be the strongest vampire and Dead Apostle, which puts him above Crimson Moon, who is considered both and rated as 1-C with immeasurable speed. Roa has a lot of knowledge on vampires, so his statement isn't empty and is backed up by him beating someone who scales to Crimson Moon (Altrouge), along with her beast Primate Murder that has been compared to Crimson Moon before. he also stole Arcueid's power for himself, who is stated to rival Crimson Moon in scale and existence and killed all of the True Ancestors except one. so basically he has statements scaling him above Crimson Moon and feats to back it up.

Crimson Moon's profile is here.

Crimson Moon

Brunestud of the Crimson Moon (朱あかい月つきのブリュンスタッド, Akai Tsuki no Buryunsutaddo?), also called Crimson Moon, is the Ultimate One of the Moon and the Third of the Twenty-Seven Dead Apostle Ancestors. He was the first Ultimate One to answer the call of Gaia, and in exchange for the creation of a...

vsbattles.fandom.com

ORT/Type-Mercury's AP is just getting adjusted to say that he should be comparable to other Types, as opposed to specifically saying he is stronger than Archetype-Earth, which is never stated anywhere or even implied in any source material and is basically fanfiction. but his tier stays the same.

Okay. To me that seems fine to apply then.

 

[HyperZero95]

Okay. To me that seems fine to apply then.

I have applied the changes, you can close the thread.

 

[Antvasima]

Somebody else handled it. Thank you to everybody who helped out here.