Nasuverse Cosmology upgrade

[Floxiaaa]

Hi! I have some arguments to upgrade Nasuverse cosmology. I will start the topic with the throne of heroes. It is said that the throne of heroes is located in a place that transcends the boundaries of space and time. I will put the scan about this. Here it is ;

(Fate Requiem Volume 1 Part 1)
The throne of heroes is said to be independent of time and space. I will put the scran about this below. Here it is ;

Now I can move on to my arguments.

My first argument;
Dimensions are required to create space. Space cannot exist in a place where there is no dimension, and no matter what, unless said otherwise, there is space where there is dimension, and where there is space, there is also dimension. The throne of heroes fits this situation perfectly. The throne, which is independent of time and space, is also devoid of dimension.

My second argument ;
This argument of mine is generally about 0-dimensionality. The status of the throne of heroes should not be confused with 0-dimensionality. The throne transcends the boundaries of space and time. It is independent of time and place. A throne that transcends space and time cannot be 0-dimensional. This situation is not suitable for 0-dimensionality because it has an expression of transcendence. In this case, the throne of heroes existed above the dimensions. Because there is no other option left.

My conclusion;

Throne of Heroes Low 1-A. The real heroic souls Low 1-A because because existentially they find it there . Therefore a new key must be opened to the servants of fate.

Agree:




Disagree:

 

[zaraus]

looks good I agree

 

[Noes]

Güzel ve yakışıklı olduğunu kabul ediyorum
And I agree

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Leaning towards agreeing

 

[AKUTO123]

Good work, agree

 

[Robo432343]

i agree with Low 1-C

 

[SweetDao]

i agree with Low 1-C

You know there is no Low 1-C being argued here, right...

 

[Floxiaaa]

i agree with Low 1-C

Why?

 

[Robo432343]

You know there is no Low 1-C being argued here, right...

transcending time and space is Low 1-C without further context and thats being generous

but i agree with both Low 1-C and 1-A

 

[SweetDao]

but i agree with both Low 1-C and 1-A

Pretty large scope ngl

 

[Planck69]

transcending time and space is Low 1-C without further context and thats being generous

but i agree with both Low 1-C and 1-A

It's Low 1-A these days, at least what's being argued above. Of course, whether or not the above qualifies is to be discussed but it's no longer defaulted to Low 1-C.

Neutral to the upgrade for now.

 

[RaveeCPN]

Not that I disagree, but "transcending space-time/dimensions" is rated as Low 1-A if it covers higher dimensions. Though, I have no idea if that's the case for Throne of Heroes.

As a general rule-of-thumb, statements of being "above dimensions" and the like, whenever validly indicating a superiority over higher dimensions, fall under this tier without further context. See here for more information.

So, ig I'll stay neutral for now.

 

[Unqver]

In the absence of more evidence, I tend to be neutral.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Could not find a way to disagree,so this is definitely low 1A so agree

 

[Memonto_Mori]

Acceptable if more evidence is provided

 

[Floxiaaa]

Acceptable if more evidence is provided

I will deal with it shortly

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Not that I disagree, but "transcending space-time/dimensions" is rated as Low 1-A if it covers higher dimensions. Though, I have no idea if that's the case for Throne of Heroes.

Not necessarily. It just has to refer to being beyond space and time in a general sense and a valid transcendence statement instead of a vague transcend/beyond.

 

[SweetDao]

I mean, isn't the transcendence here just being outside the regular time axis? The Throne is not fixed in time or space, hence why it covers the whole cosmology alongside the past and the future, sure, but I don't see how that would prove low 1-A personally.

 

[Floxiaaa]

Not necessarily. It just has to refer to being beyond space and time in a general sense and a valid transcendence statement instead of a vague transcend/beyond.

So do you agree or not?

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

So do you agree or not?

Neutral

 

[Floxiaaa]

I mean, isn't the transcendence here just being outside the regular time axis? The Throne is not fixed in time or space, hence why it covers the whole cosmology alongside the past and the future, sure, but I don't see how that would prove low 1-A personally.

If it covers the entire cosmology, it means it also covers higher dimensions. So this is suitable for Low 1-A

 

[CurrySenpai]

I disagree iwth Low 1-A greatly but Low 1-C seems fine???

 

[SweetDao]

If it covers the entire cosmology, it means it also covers higher dimensions. So this is suitable for Low 1-A

I mean, it's outside of space and time, but not "above" space and time. There is some sense of time (and space) within the Throne, just not the same as the universe.

 

[Floxiaaa]

I mean, it's outside of space and time, but not "above" space and time. There is some sense of time (and space) within the Throne, just not the same as the universe.

The throne of heroes is said to exist in a place that transcends space and time.

 

[Floxiaaa]

I disagree iwth Low 1-A greatly but Low 1-C seems fine???

It has nothing to do with low 1-C. But I think there are a few issues missing, I will fix them as soon as possible.

 

[SweetDao]

The throne of heroes is said to exist in a place that transcends space and time.

"Transcended the bounds of space and time" because it covers the whole cosmology (hence it's not stuck within a singular place) and also because it isn't following the universe of awareness time axis. It can summon servant from the future and the past, despite the past already being finished and the future yet to arrive.

 

[Floxiaaa]

"Transcended the bounds of space and time" because it covers the whole cosmology (hence it's not stuck within a singular place) and also because it isn't following the universe of awareness time axis. It can summon servant from the future and the past, despite the past already being finished and the future yet to arri

But it is still said that there is transcendent

 

[Sasukesama0492]

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floxia naber

 

[SweetDao]

But it is still said that there is transcendent

Yeah, because it is, but not in the way you think.

Is it limited to a singular space? No, therefore, it transcends the limitation of space.
Is it limited to a singular timeline? No, therefore, it transcends the limitation of time.

It isn't literally "above time and space" since, again, space and time still somewhat exist within it.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Yeah, I disagree with Low 1A

 

[Floxiaaa]

Yeah, because it is, but not in the way you think.

Is it limited to a singular space? No, therefore, it transcends the limitation of space.
Is it limited to a singular timeline? No, therefore, it transcends the limitation of time.

It isn't literally "above time and space" since, again, space and time still somewhat exist within it.

It says in a separate place that it is transcendent of space and time and "independent of time and space". In the link I will leave below, it says that it is independent of time and space, so this cause-effect argument is not valid.

 

[SweetDao]

It says in a separate place that it is transcendent of space and time and "independent of time and space". In the link I will leave below, it says that it is independent of time and space, so this cause-effect argument is not valid.

Sure.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Sure.

to be fair being low 1-A doesn't prevent you from being a chef

 

[SweetDao]

to be fair being low 1-A doesn't prevent you from being a chef

No, but if you're arguing for "beyond all notion of time and space" it would be incredibly sad that if there is still some notion of space and time within you.

 

[KingNanaya]

It's Low 1-A these days

Not entirely. From what I remember from the recent tiering revisions was that BDE type 2, along with some other things would be low 1-A. The throne is just aspatial and atemporal, which is at most just BDE type 1.

While there are characters that have BDE type 2 in this franchise, I disagree with this approach for an upgrade.

 

[Floxiaaa]

Sure.

I don't understand bro.

 

[Floxiaaa]

No, but if you're arguing for "beyond all notion of time and space" it would be incredibly sad that if there is still some notion of space and time within you.

If you say so, please prove it. Because I didn't see anything like that.

 

[SweetDao]

I don't understand bro.

Beni-Enma regularly go to the Throne of Heroes to make cooking class for other Heroic Spirits. We even got some flashback of a scene regarding Beni-Enma showing how to cook to Tamamo and other characters, with the background being a traditional Japanese room.

It means the Throne do have time and space element.

 

[Floxiaaa]

Beni-Enma regularly go to the Throne of Heroes to make cooking class for other Heroic Spirits. We even got some flashback of a scene regarding Beni-Enma showing how to cook to Tamamo and other characters, with the background being a traditional Japanese room.

It means the Throne do have time and space element.

What? I can say that these are not a spatial concept or concepts, but objects connected to space can only cause a problem in this situation. Can you tell me that these are spatial concepts?

 

[SweetDao]

What? I can say that these are not a spatial concept or concepts, but objects connected to space can only cause a problem in this situation. Can you tell me that these are spatial concepts?

What? I don't understand anything you're saying.

She came and visited the Throne of Heroes, how would she be able to "visit" something and "make cooking classes" in the Throne if it was just a aspatial/atemporal realm?