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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

Lop222 said:
i already answered this. kaguya who attacked isshiki was prefruit kaguya who dindt had those tso deconstruction. isshiki had to use karma so he did die to kaguya.
its never said zetsu used his own power. he used obitos body why you omitting that? obito that was on the verge of death still had six path chakra and is the mean reason he could harm madara. sakura dindt rip kaguyas body apart.
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I'm talking about her all ash killing bone. Point is we don't have any ideas how kaguya injured ishikki. We also know there are a thousand and one ways for a significantly weaker character to hurt a stronger character so unlike you we take the feat as it is , an off guard feat which doesn't count
 
karo_senpaii said:
I'm talking about her all ash killing bone. Point is we don't have any ideas how kaguya injured ishikki. We also know there are a thousand and one ways for a significantly weaker character to hurt a stronger character so unlike you we take the feat as it is , an off guard feat which doesn't count
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Choso is million times stronger than itachi yet itachi solos hım no ?
Kaguya doing some damage to off guard isshiki isnt that much inconsistent 😭
 
OneBleachHurricane said:
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Bruh mf's were sending crazy shit in here back in 2020 😭
 
Aytugsss said:
This already debated for many times there is no point to bring is again.
But for me kaguya was able to damage him even if isshiki billions times stronger than her because she has many durability negation
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Trihexa102 said:
she probably did as she had a rinnesharingan and the databook implies she planned it meaning she had prep time.
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The 4° databook says she only obtained the RinneSharingan after eating the fruit.
karo_senpaii said:
Zetsu is billions to trillions of times weaker than madara. He did same.
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Zetsu had control of Obito's body, which still had the chakra and strength for it, since the body also possessed the Six Paths power. Obito's power in his eyes (which Zetsu possessed at that moment) was enough for Kakashi to fight and injure Kaguya, so the comparison doesn't make sense.
karo_senpaii said:
No shit kaguya has an attack that completely deconstructs people that are immune to tso deconstruction, as well as variety of other powers. It's not hard to off guard someone. Also you're wrong, kaguya never killed ishikki, she injured him
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We don't know if Kaguya had the bones at that time, and even if she did, Isshiki wasn't completely destroyed, so it wasn't the bone. Anyone struck by the bones anywhere on their body is completely destroyed.
 
And let's not forget the fact that Isshiki is billions of times physically stronger than Naruto and Sasuke, and that he wanted to kill them, but even so, his blows couldn't break even one of their bones...

And also, there are scales here in the verse profiles where a character only has a clash with another, but scales to him... But we know that level 4 scaling doesn't cover both of them because it would be inconsistent and would face strong opposition.
 
GTsek said:
And let's not forget the fact that Isshiki is billions of times physically stronger than Naruto and Sasuke, and that he wanted to kill them, but even so, his blows couldn't break even one of their bones...

And also, there are scales here in the verse profiles where a character only has a clash with another, but scales to him... But we know that level 4 scaling doesn't cover both of them because it would be inconsistent and would face strong opposition.
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it happens in all fictional scaling man, Naruto is not the only one this happens.
you are appealing to much to such is why you think it's contradictory, it can simply mean isshiki was playing with his food.

Regarding the databook stuff? well i guess it was retconned cause the holograms and backstory shows kaguya with a rinnesharingan when she first came to this planet before consuming anything.
 
GTsek said:
The 4° databook says she only obtained the RinneSharingan after eating the fruit.

Zetsu had control of Obito's body, which still had the chakra and strength for it, since the body also possessed the Six Paths power. Obito's power in his eyes (which Zetsu possessed at that moment) was enough for Kakashi to fight and injure Kaguya, so the comparison doesn't make sense.

We don't know if Kaguya had the bones at that time, and even if she did, Isshiki wasn't completely destroyed, so it wasn't the bone. Anyone struck by the bones anywhere on their body is completely destroyed.
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She still has dura neg even if not on the same level as others
She probably used dura neg because even if you dont accept 4b isshiki. He still is far superior to naruto and sasuke combined and that naruto and sasuke is on the same level (propably stronger) than post fruit kaguya who way stronger than pre fruit kaguya so she still is weaker than isshiki even if not billions times and she had to use duraneg attack in order to kill him which she was prepared
 
GTsek said:
Zetsu had control of Obito's body, which still had the chakra and strength for it, since the body also possessed the Six Paths power. Obito's power in his eyes (which Zetsu possessed at that moment) was enough for Kakashi to fight and injure Kaguya, so the comparison doesn't make sense.
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Ishikki and kaguya also had the same otsusuki chakra then too. Since you want to say similar chakra helps you in some way or something.

Also the obito chakra kakashi got was from Naruto restoring him back to full capacity via his six path chakra and COAT. It's completely different from an obito who just got separated from the 10 tails and got drained to oblivion further by using the rinnengan to bring back Naruto.
GTsek said:
We don't know if Kaguya had the bones at that time, and even if she did, Isshiki wasn't completely destroyed, so it wasn't the bone. Anyone struck by the bones anywhere on their body is completely destroyed.
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Exactly we don't know anything. Every single thing here you're doing is speculation, from assuming no one can survive the bones to assuming she even had it. In fact the only thing that is not an assumption is that it was off guard. It's not a feat and she doesn't scale even remotely to ishikki
 
Trihexa102 said:
Regarding the databook stuff? well i guess it was retconned cause the holograms and backstory shows kaguya with a rinnesharingan when she first came to this planet before consuming anything.
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why retconnend instead of error or as placeholder? amado doesnt know how kaguya looks like. also that otsutsuki hologram had momoshiki with third eye rinnegan which he gained later has fused form. which means someone updated the hologrom to its latest form
 
Lop222 said:
why retconnend instead of error or as placeholder? amado doesnt know how kaguya looks like. also that otsutsuki hologram had momoshiki with third eye rinnegan which he gained later has fused form. which means someone updated the hologrom to its latest form
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nope the hologram showed momoshiki like we first met him.
it's simply a retcon.
 
Post-Kara Sarada vs Gamabunta, she wins if she beats him or convinces him to sign a contract

What y'all think? Would she use genjutsu too soon?
 
Do we take most lightning releases as real lightning speed? If not, why is false darkness treated as real lightning speed?
 
DavidTPPM said:
Dude, I beg you to actually read what's being said.

Sasuke finds out that a being who could threaten Kaguya into needing an army might come. His immediate thought is that if such threat were to come it would be the end of the world. Meaning Sasuke believes if something can threaten Kaguya it's a MASSIVE threat to the shinobi world too - the shinobi world that contains both him and Naruto.

So the statement isn't saying "haha Kaguya is fodder that I can no diff".
It's saying if something can threaten Kaguya, it can threaten the shinobi world which currently contains Naruto and Sasuke.
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Sorry I have been busy, let me answer it now.
First of all I never said that Sasuke will no-diff kaguya or even if he can, after what happened in the war arc where all Shinobi were in genjutsu and all other stuffs that kaguya did and her chakra users did, Sasuke won't laugh and say kaguya is fodder, kaguya was preparing above 100000 white zetsu + her own self+ the chakra she will gain from the infinite tsukyomi so kaguya herself think that she is no much to those threats and Sasuke said the same words when they were trying to fight kaguya( he said to Naruto that they no chance of winning without hagoromo's seals)

Here, when he said this:
"The idea that there’s a being that could threaten even Kaguya … and it’s going
to appear in this land?” Did that mean that the day was coming when the peace
they had finally obtained would be disturbed? Was the future people were
walking toward now going to be destroyed once more?"
he didn't mean that he or Naruto will loose to those threats but rather the destruction they will cause and the amount of looses, that is why he said "Was the future people were
walking toward now going to be destroyed once more?" If the stronger threat come they can fight but not their people which destroys the peace they were making all this years.
Sasuke is logic thinker he won't say that he will stop the stronger threats when knows that he is no much to kaguya who is weaker than the stronger threats, he will tell them that he has no chance but he will try his best to stop them(not he will stop them directly), for example, the beginning of kaguya's fight Sasuke clearly stated that they have no hope of winning, again in jigen's fight he told Naruto that they have no hope of winning without him

Last, Sasuke won't give someone a false hope like those who surpassed kaguya when he is weaker than kaguya even if he want to sacrifice himself, he will say "he will try to stop them/he will do his best" not something like he will stop them by his own hands, so if Sasuke thinks that he can stop the stronger threats/ at least hold them by himself he must be at very least=> kaguya. People also says, kaguya will out last Sasuke which is completely false to me because if we remember kaguya get exhausted before Naruto after she used amenominaka ability 5-6th times while in jigen's fight Sasuke and Naruto get exhausted at the same time after he opened a portal at least once(it can be more because he was juubi dimension and then said he must tell what he saw to Naruto) but what I mean is if he force kaguya to use her ability Sasuke can outlast her
 
The village deemed the 10 tails to be a greater threat then code and this considering they were aware code>>>jigen. Kaguya has the power of a fully matured ten tails she would most definitely be a threat to naruto and sasuke. Kaguya was prepping from the clan not just momoshiki whom she has no idea how strong they are. I think narratively the 10 tails has more chakra then outsuski. They only reason kaguya had so much chakra was because she merged with a 10 tails on top of the fact earth had vast amounts of chakra more then most planets the otsusuki eat.
 
ichimojii said:
The village deemed the 10 tails to be a greater threat then code and this considering they were aware code>>>jigen. Kaguya has the power of a fully matured ten tails she would most definitely be a threat to naruto and sasuke. Kaguya was prepping from the clan not just momoshiki whom she has no idea how strong they are. I think narratively the 10 tails has more chakra then outsuski. They only reason kaguya had so much chakra was because she merged with a 10 tails on top of the fact earth had vast amounts of chakra more then most planets the otsusuki eat.
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The same ten tail was manipulated by code, yes juubi is greater threat than code but not power wise, 10 tail will try to destroy/absorb everything with no exceptions while code has opponents and objectives he won't kill/destroy with no plan
Kaguya and ten tail are different than other villains in the series because they don't have opponents like when kaguya awakened her rinnesharingan she put almost all living things in Earth genjutsu/under infinite tsukyomi and began absorbing them and destroying everything who moves (except because of her plan), the ten tail is the same while other villains have limited opponents like momoshiki he literally ignored boruto and others, jigen ignored even Naruto and sasuke, toneri was the same, Jura and others,
 
ichimojii said:
The village deemed the 10 tails to be a greater threat then code and this considering they were aware code>>>jigen
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They never compared the ten tails to code afaik
Also
They were worried about Ten Tails because:
1. It's animalistic (can't be reasoned with)
2. Can range snipe from hundred of kilometres
3. Has enough DC to cause massive civilian/structural damage to the greater nations not filled with ninjas (Land of Fire not Konoha)
4. Can change forms to the tree which does all the above in addition to instantly killing whoever it touches

Like, even if we ignore the Jigen > Kaguya line of scaling, Jigen is still significantly stronger than Juubito who is also stronger than the Juubi itself
 
ichimojii said:
The village deemed the 10 tails to be a greater threat then code and this considering they were aware code>>>jigen. Kaguya has the power of a fully matured ten tails she would most definitely be a threat to naruto and sasuke. Kaguya was prepping from the clan not just momoshiki whom she has no idea how strong they are. I think narratively the 10 tails has more chakra then outsuski. They only reason kaguya had so much chakra was because she merged with a 10 tails on top of the fact earth had vast amounts of chakra more then most planets the otsusuki eat.
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By village whom ?
İf you consider Shikamaru and elders
Well Shikamaru only saw limiters code and elders have Never seen him
İf you are considering konoha again Most of them knows how dangerous juubi is cuz Most of shinobi and People Fought in 4th great ninja War
Kaguya is an otsutsuki she must know some basic knowledge about her own clan but i dont think white zetsu army is For the WHOLE CLAN ( İTS not something like whole CLAN vs Kaguya and zetsus lmfao that would ve very stupid analogy we dont know how strong clan is but considering kaguya with all her powers and has knowledge about her own clan [ she also knows isshiki duh 😭] makes sense that she is acting that way ]
She is paranoid about her own clan members because they will send someone to catch her and she knows it they are hell of a strong
Zetsu army is complete fodder Even if we consider that kaguya boost them with juubi power they are all but distraction so kaguya can catch them and Hunt them down like she did with isshiki (caught hım offguard )
 
Testarossa002 said:
Jigen is still significantly stronger than Juubito who is also stronger than the Juubi itself
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so are we gonna ignore how JIgen said that narutos ninetails makes him too much work to kill something inferior to Obitos tentails?
HKh5ZuGXUAAGosT


ninetails chakra was also consideren massive to momoshiki: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HKh5wSBWgAAZFkM?format=jpg&name=large
Borutos tentails is smaller and has no chakra fruit. every shinjus got rinnegan an inferior version of rinnesharingan.
Jura needs to use tree to regen himself something madara/kaguya could do without it.
no feat above war arc tentails either. we see kids like himawari/chocho damaging mamushi/jura
I doubt even Jura has six path chakra since no one has shown truth seeker orbs.

the only thing boruto tentails has is shibai cells but war arc tentails is confirmed having shinjutsu as well for being kaguya
 
Lop222 said:
so are we gonna ignore how JIgen said that narutos ninetails makes him too much work to kill something inferior to Obitos tentails?
HKh5ZuGXUAAGosT
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I honestly didn't care about your little rant so far but this is so disingenuous.

Kurama makes Naruto hard to kill because it grants regen. Jigen had no issues damaging Naruto - he literally kicked the face of his avatar that's meant to be more durable than Naruto into smithereens.
You're sneakily trying to make this sound like Jigen scales below Kurama or something but it's obviously just talking about hax/regen.
 
DavidTPPM said:
I honestly didn't care about your little rant so far but this is so disingenuous.

Kurama makes Naruto hard to kill because it grants regen. Jigen had no issues damaging Naruto - he literally kicked the face of his avatar that's meant to be more durable than Naruto into smithereens.
You're sneakily trying to make this sound like Jigen scales below Kurama or something but it's obviously just talking about hax/regen.
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Yeah Bijuu regen is something
 
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