Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[Lop222]

Man...
She rebelled against the clan
She feared the arrival of Momoshiki and Kinshiki
Both statements don't contradicting each other when they mean two different things
If she feared other Otsutsuki coming after her, it would be in her journal

i dont get what you trying to say here? she rebelled against her clan but only feared momo and kinshiki?
first of all in anime kinshiki introduced himself to sasuke. and 2 sasuke took her scroll out of context.
scroll was shown in anime which does mention otsutsuki clan not just momo the claim you make If she feared other Otsutsuki coming after her, it would be in her journal

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HKUHvpLXsAASC1J?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

also no where was stated kaguya feared momo only. kaguya feared something was pre momo arrival statement

 

[Foriaa]

yet kages here on site are still scaled to that. hashirama who trained more than those kages stated hes weaker than tentails obito. now boruto kages are more than 10 times stronger than hashirama based on this vague scaling

Boruto power cliffing

 

[Aytugsss]

No

Okey

 

[Aytugsss]

Man...
She rebelled against the clan
She feared the arrival of Momoshiki and Kinshiki
Both statements don't contradicting each other when they mean two different things
If she feared other Otsutsuki coming after her, it would be in her journal

Holistically true

That's not what the statement meant. The statement was more about how he'd give everything he has to fight such threats. It doesn't mean he can solo them or whatever people seem to think it meant

İ look it up after saying it ,its just i feel like i remember something different,like a databook statement but its wrong i guess

 

[GTsek]

It would be accepted.
A verse where its stated gods use omnipotence to create worlds, and then seeing a weaker one from Eida in action which covered their planet and beyond should make it not much of a stretch for Uzuhiko to be that strong - Tier 5.
Even shaking the planet which Uzuhiko did as an aftereffect is at least Tier 6.

That's not a strong argument, especially here where verse has always been quite underrated (and is quite overrated nowadays...) Uzuhiko would at most be accepted at level 6, there's no way to raise that to level 5. The verse had moon-level feats for years, and yet they still wouldn't accept Toneri's planetary level statements until recently.

İf i remember correctly, kashin koji said boruto to 'are you trying to destroy this planet?'
So it would be accepted

They would simply say that he was saying that if Boruto were caught it would be the end of the world, because the shinju would destroy everything, or the shinju would be planted, etc...

 

[GTsek]

Even the isshiki's level 4 scale is completely questionable. What would that make him? Millions or billions of times stronger than Peak Kaguya in physical terms, so the Kaguya who left him on the near death was even weaker. The "offguard" argument is ridiculous in the way it's being used, at most it means he can't react. It makes no sense for "offguard" make him billions of times weaker, especially for an Otsutsuki, since as far as we know their chakra remains entirely within their body, they don't need to mold anything. And let's be honest, she didn't just drill a hole in him or something, she COMPLETELY DESTROYED part of his body.

 

[Foriaa]

This ***** getting ridiculous, how many times will the same arguments be used against Isshiki to push that fodder Kaguya’s agenda

 

[Aytugsss]

Even the isshiki's level 4 scale is completely questionable. What would that make him? Millions or billions of times stronger than Peak Kaguya in physical terms, so the Kaguya who left him on the near death was even weaker. The "offguard" argument is ridiculous in the way it's being used, at most it means he can't react. It makes no sense for "offguard" make him billions of times weaker, especially for an Otsutsuki, since as far as we know their chakra remains entirely within their body, they don't need to mold anything. And let's be honest, she didn't just drill a hole in him or something, she COMPLETELY DESTROYED part of his body.

This already debated for many times there is no point to bring is again.
But for me kaguya was able to damage him even if isshiki billions times stronger than her because she has many durability negation

 

[Lop222]

This already debated for many times there is no point to bring is again.
But for me kaguya was able to damage him even if isshiki billions times stronger than her because she has many durability negation

she dindt had chakra fruit that time. she physically overpowered him

 

[Trihexa102]

she dindt had chakra fruit that time. she physically overpowered him

she probably did as she had a rinnesharingan and the databook implies she planned it meaning she had prep time.

 

[Kayzz]

That's not a strong argument, especially here where verse has always been quite underrated (and is quite overrated nowadays...) Uzuhiko would at most be accepted at level 6, there's no way to raise that to level 5. The verse had moon-level feats for years, and yet they still wouldn't accept Toneri's planetary level statements until recently.

It's a strong argument. It gives the verse an expected ceiling of power (AP) interpretation. And if we didn't know anything of the original series, that statement is a concrete planet level implication at the very least. And there's Eida showing us how it works via reality warping, with a multiplanerary range.

Toneri stated "he would destroy the world with the light of justice."
Boruto stated "he is incorporating the planet's revolutional forces into his rasengan."
There's absolutely no comparison with both statements. The latter is straightforward with the assertion, and lives no room for any other interpretation than what it is.
While nobody knows what Light of justice does or how it works, or if "destroy the world" means surface-wipe destruction.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Even the isshiki's level 4 scale is completely questionable. What would that make him? Millions or billions of times stronger than Peak Kaguya in physical terms, so the Kaguya who left him on the near death was even weaker. The "offguard" argument is ridiculous in the way it's being used, at most it means he can't react. It makes no sense for "offguard" make him billions of times weaker, especially for an Otsutsuki, since as far as we know their chakra remains entirely within their body, they don't need to mold anything. And let's be honest, she didn't just drill a hole in him or something, she COMPLETELY DESTROYED part of his body.

Zetsu is billions to trillions of times weaker than madara. He did same.

 

[garp2]

This is the funniest agenda driven argument in the fanbase.

Sasuke was SWEATING and having a wholeass PTSD panic attack at the mere thought something like Kaguya might come back, literally questioning if it's the end of the world. And Momoshiki goons twisted that into Sasuke saying "haha I easily solo Kaguya neg diff frfr"

This is what he said in the novel "If a threat that surpasses Kaguya appears in this land, I will stop it with these hands" (カグヤを超えるような脅威がこの地に現れるのなら、俺がこの手で食い止める), this shows that Sasuke was at least relative/equal to her because in the war arc the beginning of kaguya's fight Sasuke clearly stated that him and Naruto have no hope of winning without hagoromo's sun and moon seal
As much as I know Sasuke, I don't think he will say that he will stop a threat stronger than kaguya when he believes that he is weaker than kaguya

 

[MochOath]

Momoshiki vs Kaguya in 2026

 

[Lop222]

Zetsu is billions to trillions of times weaker than madara. He did same.

Kaguya killed isshiki with her own power while Zetsu did not and used chakra from infinite tsukuyomi to explode madara. your comparision is off.
also zetsu used obito body which had obitos six path powers which obito later gave to Kakashi who blitzed kaguya. so it makes sense how zetsu stabbed madara and obito did this to madara too before. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HHVY7ZLXAAAsEp2?format=jpg&name=900x900

also william birkin in resident evil also kill Tyrant off guard and yet hes scaled to that in on his profile with that video scene https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/William_Birkin_(Remake_Timeline)

 

[Lop222]

she probably did as she had a rinnesharingan and the databook implies she planned it meaning she had prep time.

that doesnt mean she had chakra. the databook claim shes the first one to have chakra after the fruit on earth and became its founder

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HJ9om1vXcAACWiZ?format=jpg&name=900x900

 

[Foriaa]

Even the isshiki's level 4 scale is completely questionable.

Not at all, go read this crt and see the responses given

Isshiki should not be 4-B

Isshiki being 4-B was accepted here, but I do not understand how that happened, since it is highly inconsistent with the level established in the series. Isshiki physically scales to Kaguya’s strongest attack, and it is worth remembering that this Isshiki only had a few hours left to live. The...

vsbattles.com

if you don't find it compelling, feel free to make your own crt explaining why Isshiki shouldn't be 4-b

 

[DavidTPPM]

This is what he said in the novel "If a threat that surpasses Kaguya appears in this land, I will stop it with these hands" (カグヤを超えるような脅威がこの地に現れるのなら、俺がこの手で食い止める), this shows that Sasuke was at least relative/equal to her because in the war arc the beginning of kaguya's fight Sasuke clearly stated that him and Naruto have no hope of winning without hagoromo's sun and moon seal
As much as I know Sasuke, I don't think he will say that he will stop a threat stronger than kaguya when he believes that he is weaker than kaguya

Yeah if you completely cut out the context of Sasuke having a wholeass panic attack and thinking to himself how this would be the end of world it looks like that's what he's saying.

If you actually add the context like a normal person with at least basic reading comprehension, then you realize it's a statement of willpower and resolve, not of power.

 

[Iabihs]

It's unimaginable for anyone outside the Powerscaling community (especially on this site) to imagine the Kages from Boruto injuring Kaguya (without outliers like Sakura...).

Things i dont like are Outliers

Things i do like are true and confirmed 100% Objective feats

 

[garp2]

Yeah if you completely cut out the context of Sasuke having a wholeass panic attack and thinking to himself how this would be the end of world it looks like that's what he's saying.

If you actually add the context like a normal person with at least basic reading comprehension, then you realize it's a statement of willpower and resolve, not of power.

Is this what you are talking about?
"かつて大筒木カグヤは、圧倒的な力で世界を我がものにした。それほどの力を持つ者が、なぜ白ゼツ的兵隊を必要としたのか。" (Kaguya, with overwhelming power, took over the world; why did someone that strong need an army of White Zetsu?)"彼女が恐れ、備えていたのは、忍の世界ではない。カグヤをも脅かす、さらに強大な存在が、別の世界からやってくる可能性がある。" (What she feared was not the shinobi world; there is a threat even stronger than Kaguya coming from another world.)"それを確かめ、防ぐのが、輪廻眼を持つ俺の役目だ。" (It is my duty, as one with the Rinnegan, to confirm and prevent this.)


If you meant another contex can you share it with me, please

 

[DavidTPPM]

Is this what you are talking about?
"かつて大筒木カグヤは、圧倒的な力で世界を我がものにした。それほどの力を持つ者が、なぜ白ゼツ的兵隊を必要としたのか。" (Kaguya, with overwhelming power, took over the world; why did someone that strong need an army of White Zetsu?)"彼女が恐れ、備えていたのは、忍の世界ではない。カグヤをも脅かす、さらに強大な存在が、別の世界からやってくる可能性がある。" (What she feared was not the shinobi world; there is a threat even stronger than Kaguya coming from another world.)"それを確かめ、防ぐのが、輪廻眼を持つ俺の役目だ。(It is my duty, as one with the Rinnegan, to confirm and prevent this.)


If you meant another contex can you share it with me, please

No, the sentence right between these statements that you just so coincidentally left out.

"The idea that there’s a being that could threaten even Kaguya … and it’s going
to appear in this land?” Did that mean that the day was coming when the peace
they had finally obtained would be disturbed? Was the future people were
walking toward now going to be destroyed once more?"

Sauce considered anything that could threaten Kaguya to literally the destroy the future of humanity.

But somehow Momo goons will read this and go "Aaah so you're saying Sasuke is fully confident he can neg-diff Kaguya slayers "

 

[Kayzz]

Kaguya killed isshiki with her own power while Zetsu did not and used chakra from infinite tsukuyomi to explode madara. your comparision is off.
also zetsu used obito body which had obitos six path powers which obito later gave to Kakashi who blitzed kaguya. so it makes sense how zetsu stabbed madara and obito did this to madara too before. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HHVY7ZLXAAAsEp2?format=jpg&name=900x900

also william birkin in resident evil also kill Tyrant off guard and yet hes scaled to that in on his profile with that video scene https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/William_Birkin_(Remake_Timeline)

At this point, you are coping with Black Zetsu bro. Even with Obito's body, he should still be much weaker than three-eyed Jubidara

 

[Kayzz]

In the verse, all abilities for chakra manipulation require concentration and molding. Ninja train to keep their concentration almost passive and to mold chakra very quick, however, it can never be entirely passive.
They slip up, lose focus, and even a piece of wood penetrates their defence/chakra durabilty.

The only abilities that don't require concentration and molding in any form are Shinjutsu. However, Otsutsuki still have to concentrate and mold chakra for other jutsu.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Kaguya killed isshiki with her own power while Zetsu did not and used chakra from infinite tsukuyomi to explode madara. your comparision is off.

No shit kaguya has an attack that completely deconstructs people that are immune to tso deconstruction, as well as variety of other powers. It's not hard to off guard someone. Also you're wrong, kaguya never killed ishikki, she injured him.

Zetsu used his own power to stab madara in his chest and render him unable to move. The only difference is madara has ridiculous regenerative abilities that ishikki doesn't have

also zetsu used obito body which had obitos six path powers which obito later gave to Kakashi who blitzed kaguya. so it makes sense how zetsu stabbed madara and obito did this to madara too before. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HHVY7ZLXAAAsEp2?format=jpg&name=900x900

also william birkin in resident evil also kill Tyrant off guard and yet hes scaled to that in on his profile with that video scene https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/William_Birkin_(Remake_Timeline)

Don't compare the obito that was on the verge of death due using the rinnengan to revive Naruto after already being on the verge of death due to loosing tt to an obito that had been completely revived by Naruto six path chakra.



In fact we have a sakura that injured a kaguya amped by the chakra from IT. Do you want me to keep going?

 

[Iabihs]

Who yall got delta vs fused momo

 

[garp2]

No, the sentence right between these statements that you just so coincidentally left out.

"The idea that there’s a being that could threaten even Kaguya … and it’s going
to appear in this land?” Did that mean that the day was coming when the peace
they had finally obtained would be disturbed? Was the future people were
walking toward now going to be destroyed once more?"

Sauce considered anything that could threaten Kaguya to literally the destroy the future of humanity.

But somehow Momo goons will read this and go "Aaah so you're saying Sasuke is fully confident he can neg-diff Kaguya slayers "

Isn't this about the threat who even kaguya feared not herself? He is saying that there's a being who is stronger than kaguya who was nearly destroyed the Shinobi world, he is talking about the destruction that will happen to Shinobi world if the unknownly stronger than kaguya threat came to ear like what happened in the war arc, Sasuke worried about the destruction of Shinobi world not that he can't defeat kaguya or stronger threat

 

[DavidTPPM]

Isn't this about the threat who even kaguya feared not herself? He is saying that there's a being who is stronger than kaguya who was nearly destroyed the Shinobi world, he is talking about the destruction that will happen to Shinobi world if the unknownly stronger than kaguya threat came to ear like what happened in the war arc, Sasuke worried about the destruction of Shinobi world not that he can't defeat kaguya or stronger threat

Dude, I beg you to actually read what's being said.

Sasuke finds out that a being who could threaten Kaguya into needing an army might come. His immediate thought is that if such threat were to come it would be the end of the world. Meaning Sasuke believes if something can threaten Kaguya it's a MASSIVE threat to the shinobi world too - the shinobi world that contains both him and Naruto.

So the statement isn't saying "haha Kaguya is fodder that I can no diff".
It's saying if something can threaten Kaguya, it can threaten the shinobi world which currently contains Naruto and Sasuke.

 

[FARLANDER3305]

Whats with this sasuke Neg diffing kaguya
Also ignoring some narrative Choises the writers made i woud say Sasuke pretty much solos kaguya on his own of course i am not saying Neg diffing considering sasuke run out of chakra so much but he litterally has counters agaisnt kaguya only exception Being etso

 

[DavidTPPM]

Whats with this sasuke Neg diffing kaguya
Also ignoring some narrative Choises the writers made i woud say Sasuke pretty much solos kaguya on his own of course i am not saying Neg diffing considering sasuke run out of chakra so much but he litterally has counters agaisnt kaguya only exception Being etso

I'm not saying Sasuke would lose to Kaguya (he probably would because she out lasts but he's still slightly stronger).

I'm saying that the novel statement in Sasuke Shinden doesn't even try to imply that he's as strong or stronger than Kaguya but rather the exact opposite.

 

[FARLANDER3305]

Dude, I beg you to actually read what's being said.

Sasuke finds out that a being who could threaten Kaguya into needing an army might come. His immediate thought is that if such threat were to come it would be the end of the world. Meaning Sasuke believes if something can threaten Kaguya it's a MASSIVE threat to the shinobi world too - the shinobi world that contains both him and Naruto.

So the statement isn't saying "haha Kaguya is fodder that I can no diff".
It's saying if something can threaten Kaguya, it can threaten the shinobi world which currently contains Naruto and Sasuke.

Thank you Broski

 

[FARLANDER3305]

What David trying to say that to STATEMENT sasuke said that he will protect the world means that he is mentally preparing to stop the threads no matter what happened to Himself
Long Story short
Sasuke saying he Will Never Ducking the FADE

 

[FARLANDER3305]

But i would also say that statement also doesnt say Sasuke and Naruto isnt stronger than kaguya İTS just that threats like Kaguya could POTENTİALLY ( with this Treasure ) threat the whole world
Threaten the shinobi world is very vague statement and shouldnt be considering the neither Side is stronger
Hell any Sixth path character described as world threatining

 

[Iabihs]

Anything past juubito is world ending in universe

 

[FARLANDER3305]

Anything past juubito is world ending in universe

Juubito also is

 

[Lop222]

No shit kaguya has an attack that completely deconstructs people that are immune to tso deconstruction, as well as variety of other powers. It's not hard to off guard someone. Also you're wrong, kaguya never killed ishikki, she injured him.

Zetsu used his own power to stab madara in his chest and render him unable to move. The only difference is madara has ridiculous regenerative abilities that ishikki doesn't have


Don't compare the obito that was on the verge of death due using the rinnengan to revive Naruto after already being on the verge of death due to loosing tt to an obito that had been completely revived by Naruto six path chakra.



In fact we have a sakura that injured a kaguya amped by the chakra from IT. Do you want me to keep going?

i already answered this. kaguya who attacked isshiki was prefruit kaguya who dindt had those tso deconstruction. isshiki had to use karma so he did die to kaguya.
its never said zetsu used his own power. he used obitos body why you omitting that? obito that was on the verge of death still had six path chakra and is the mean reason he could harm madara. sakura dindt rip kaguyas body apart.

 

[Lop222]

At this point, you are coping with Black Zetsu bro. Even with Obito's body, he should still be much weaker than three-eyed Jubidara

i never said black zetsu is stronger than madara. it just that he got obitos power who gave powers to kakashi to scale to 5-B.

 

[DavidTPPM]

But i would also say that statement also doesnt say Sasuke and Naruto isnt stronger than kaguya İTS just that threats like Kaguya could POTENTİALLY ( with this Treasure ) threat the whole world
Threaten the shinobi world is very vague statement and shouldnt be considering the neither Side is stronger
Hell any Sixth path character described as world threatining

The statement implies that anything which can threaten Kaguya is inherently a huge threat to Naruto and Sasuke too.

I don’t think it's saying anything super conclusive, but it's clearly implying that Naruto/Sasuke are not significantly above Kaguya.

Which makes sense because if they were, it wouldn't make sense for Sasuke to abandon his family for the next decade to investigate this potential threat.

 

[Aytugsss]

she dindt had chakra fruit that time. she physically overpowered him

Not her every ability came from fruit

 

[Kayzz]

i never said black zetsu is stronger than madara. it just that he got obitos power who gave powers to kakashi to scale to 5-B.

Then why have you been making an argument?
Kaguya is Tier 4 and Isshiki is Tier 4.

 

[Kayzz]

Didn't see resistance to corruption/possession on the Otsutsuki physiology page:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ōtsutsuki_Physiology

Since they can absorb bijuu chakra without corruption/possession, then it should be standard for them.