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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

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Minor Boruto Addition | Space Flight

This is a small thread to add accepted space flight speeds to both Boruto and Urashiki. The justification is pretty self evident as Urashiki was the one to do the feat. As for Boruto, his justification would mirror Kaguya's, he's a full-blooded Ōtsutsuki and all Ōtsutsuki who upscale from him...
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Well, we've already learned from "Code = Boro > Delta" that Boruto's statemente are a bit contradictory. I don't remember exactly what the current scale is in relation to Jigen and Code, but perhaps we could simply consider Unlimited Code > Jigen without the Juubi chakra?

Because Jigen went after the Juubi and took chakra, immediately went to his second form, and then he went to the village. He didn't want to fight, but he knew it might be inevitable, so he strengthened himself beforehand. This can be supported by Kawaki's statement that Jigen might be inferior to Naruto, since Kawaki only knew Jigen without the Juubi's chakra, since Naruto and Sasuke could keep up with Jigen v1, and Jigen's physical blows only caused them pain, but not enough to take them out of combat. Basically: Isshiki > Jigen v2 enhanced by the Juubi > Jigen v1 enhanced by the Juubi ≥ Naruto Rikudo ≥ Unlimited Code > "Standard" Jigen v2 > "Standard" Jigen v1. It's worth remembering that Amado and Code mention they had doubts about whether the limited Code could defeat a weakened Naruto and Sasuke; it wouldn't be absurd for him unlimited to lose to one of them at their peak or be on the same level. Also, Jigen couldn't withstand Isshiki's full power, right? It's possible that Isshiki in Jigen's body is also weakened and far inferior to Jigen in his original body.
 
GTsek said:
Well, we've already learned from "Code = Boro > Delta" that Boruto's statemente are a bit contradictory. I don't remember exactly what the current scale is in relation to Jigen and Code, but perhaps we could simply consider Unlimited Code > Jigen without the Juubi chakra?

Because Jigen went after the Juubi and took chakra, immediately went to his second form, and then he went to the village. He didn't want to fight, but he knew it might be inevitable, so he strengthened himself beforehand. This can be supported by Kawaki's statement that Jigen might be inferior to Naruto, since Kawaki only knew Jigen without the Juubi's chakra, since Naruto and Sasuke could keep up with Jigen v1, and Jigen's physical blows only caused them pain, but not enough to take them out of combat. Basically: Isshiki > Jigen v2 enhanced by the Juubi > Jigen v1 enhanced by the Juubi ≥ Naruto Rikudo ≥ Unlimited Code > "Standard" Jigen v2 > "Standard" Jigen v1. It's worth remembering that Amado and Code mention they had doubts about whether the limited Code could defeat a weakened Naruto and Sasuke; it wouldn't be absurd for him unlimited to lose to one of them at their peak or be on the same level. Also, Jigen couldn't withstand Isshiki's full power, right? It's possible that Isshiki in Jigen's body is also weakened and far inferior to Jigen in his original body.
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You guys be making shit complicated.

Code > Jigen isn't just character statement like the others. It's built into the story narrative of the Limiters plot. It is confirmed by not just Amado, but Daemon as well. Neither character has any reason to be biased.

Personally, I don't see the Shinju above Code (besides Jura, probably). If the others could beat Code, then it's due to their hax wincons, not AP or stats.

As for Cho Cho damaging Mamushi and fodder like Kobu (Inojin-controlled) dodging Mamushi's attacks, this should tell you Mamushi's overall performance has significantly reduced due to inability to control chakra properly from lack of intelligence. The first time he fought Boruto he was just like 8 or 10, now his numbers are over 100.
 
the code=boro isnt a contradiction, people just took Code's word at face value, which is funny because the guide statement thats meant to validate the code comparison makes an effort to specifically highlight that code thinks this versus being an objective claim, then theres the fact that in context its referring to their abilities. which is true the series does treat code's claw marks as a big deal during this section of the story.

also kawaki and code are some of the worst characters to use to scale, code himself has no sensory abilities and has made some funny statements (like believing pre limiters that he could deal with cyborgs that far surpassed jigen) and kawaki is inconsistent too.

even a lot of early code scaling stuff has context people ignore, most notably that Amado is intentionally gaslighting and stoking fear into Kawaki, the intent is to get him take his karma back, which is why code gets a lot of glaze early on in that arc, despite later on confirming tha even people like delta and shikamaru would be enough to stop code. and even post limitless they thought Konoha could reasonably hold its own as long as he wasnt as powerful as Ishikki.

so tbf i think most of the internal scaling with Boruto and its statements make sense, people often times just forget context or havent revisited the stuff since release.
 
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KingTempest said:
But when I used the scan saying Choji is the strongest in the hidden leaf years ago I got laughed at

I hate it here
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he should be one of the strongest, naruto and sasuke have better statements but theres nothing really that stops choji from scaling to the higher ends of that era.

people back then were just more selective.

even Kunoichi like Chino has six paths tier scaling
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
he should be one of the strongest, naruto and sasuke have better statements but theres nothing really that stops choji from scaling to the higher ends of that era.

people back then were just more selective.

even Kunoichi like Chino has six paths tier scaling
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first it was Chino, then it was the 4 Kage, then it was Pre-MS Sarada, and now it's Chocho

You'd think people would get the hint by now

we had Shikamaru dodging kicks from Delta (0 anti feats btw), and Sakura and Shin being low end relative to the god tiers. Now we got Inojin in Kobu's untrained body dodging Mamushi, Shikadai and base Himawari reacting to and fighting Mamushi
 
Most of us can agree that the scaling in Boruto is less than ideal
That doesn't mean we can ignore consistent feats and statements with proper narrative backing simply because we don't like it
Ikemoto (and even Kishimoto) don't think you need to have six paths chakra/8 gates to contend with Otsutsuki tier enemies anymore. Off-screen push-ups are enough these days
We don't like it but it is what it is
 
Testarossa002 said:
Most of us can agree that the scaling in Boruto is less than ideal
That doesn't mean we can ignore consistent feats and statements with proper narrative backing simply because we don't like it
Ikemoto (and even Kishimoto) don't think you need to have six paths chakra/8 gates to contend with Otsutsuki tier enemies anymore. Off-screen push-ups are enough these days
We don't like it but it is what it is
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There will be a day when prime Hiruzen ends up scaling to god tiers. I'm just waiting for that day.
 
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Juubi Jinchuriki LS addition

Should be straightforward. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Ghostimuscrime/Obito_Raises_The_God_Tree The LS end of the above calc was accepted, so Obito and Madara gets Class Z or 167.7 Quintillion metric tons with Wood Release in their Jinchuriki keys. Since the feat wasn’t...
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Testarossa002 said:
Most of us can agree that the scaling in Boruto is less than ideal
That doesn't mean we can ignore consistent feats and statements with proper narrative backing simply because we don't like it
Ikemoto (and even Kishimoto) don't think you need to have six paths chakra/8 gates to contend with Otsutsuki tier enemies anymore. Off-screen push-ups are enough these days
We don't like it but it is what it is
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Is this about Cho-Cho in particular? She doesnt scale lol

But yeah this is still true, Since Sarada exists
 
Chocho does indeed solo shippuden
anyway
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Katsuki Bakugo vs Nagato [0-0-0]

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One CRT mentioned that the jutsu in Naruto's Storms games were canon. Has that CRT been forgotten? And if that were accepted, would Kaguya's dimension be classified as ETSB 4-A because of the nebula inside?
 
Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye said:
Why would the game override the manga?
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I understand that this wiki considers everything in the game, except for the story mode cinematics, as a separate canon from the manga because certain things in the game contradict the manga. For example, jutsus that are in the game but not in the manga can be used in game profiles but not in manga profiles.
 
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Ninja Jesus vs Martial God

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Your joking but every day i get hit with new flashbangs of bad Boruto Takes that arent even Shippuden Related

Just stuff like MS Sarada < Adult Gaara (???) and Chunin Level Ryu
 
Damage3245 said:
He'll probably destroy some floor tiles. Maybe a wall if Ikemoto is feeling generous.
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Were down to one decent but not defining hax every 7 or 8 chapters now

But pretty much all the scaling is still just Shibai upscales with weird buddhism statements, the only hope of more for the non shibai characters is Boruto somehow scaling to that level EOS
 
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