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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

also its crazy how much stronger boruto is with karma

went from getting pressed by a single mamushi in chapter 4 to mowing down a swarm of them now
 
MochOath said:
was chocho able to crush the mamushis at the end of the chapter?
team 10 + himawari upscale
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We'll have to see how well they hold up next chapter but Chocho might be even more goated than before..

Also Shikadai's new jutsu was sick, he was able to throw multiple shadows and yank Mamushi onto the floor. That would give him God Tier LS with Shadow Paralysis as well, so Team 10 is pretty solid right now. Ino and Shika with new Jutsu, Shika and (potentially) Cho with God Tier scaling in some way shape or form
 
Lowkey, ion want mamushi assigned as a god tier

all he has is charitable code up-scaling and every other thing he's shown is just dogshit
 
I will pretend that does not exist because I do not like him

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Nierre said:
We'll have to see how well they hold up next chapter but Chocho might be even more goated than before..

Also Shikadai's new jutsu was sick, he was able to throw multiple shadows and yank Mamushi onto the floor. That would give him God Tier LS with Shadow Paralysis as well, so Team 10 is pretty solid right now. Ino and Shika with new Jutsu, Shika and (potentially) Cho with God Tier scaling in some way shape or form
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The Mamushis get more stupid with careless movements and senses, and they become easier to handle with increase in duplicates from 20 to 30 bodies. - Koji.

Their numbers jumped to 50. This should affect chakra control tbf. So nobody should scale anywhere.
 
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GG55HH said:
How so if you don't mind me asking
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Ghostimuscrime said:
Those are nonsensical arbitrary standards born from argument from incredulity

the beauty of using on screen feats is that you don't need statements, all the information you would need for a calculation is laid out infront of you, if they think showing it outright isn't qualifying then they can kiss ass and cope harder lol
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Clouds of dust can be mistaken for vapor their isn't any statement saying they vape. However their are statements saying lthey turn things to dust
 
ichimojii said:
Clouds of dust can be mistaken for vapor their isn't any statement saying they vape. However their are statements saying lthey turn things to dust
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Clouds of dust don’t waft up in the air upwards, in those cases they are vapour

The databook line was rejected before because the author’s way of describing things are not the same as our powerscaling equivalent of them, they often times use phrases like turn to dust/ash, erase, turn the world to ash etc for hyping up destruction and elimination and don’t differentiate their methods much. It is one of the reasons why statements usually are unreliable and feats are favoured instead due to having outright confirmations.

In any case they won’t take precedence over the primary canon outright showing vapour escape upward from the craters after detonation
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
Clouds of dust don’t waft up in the air upwards, in those cases they are vapour
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They do with KE. The dust haven't settled yet. Look at a mushroom cloud it's mostly superheated air,water vapor form moisture in the atmosphere and dust
Ghostimuscrime said:
The databook line was rejected before because the author’s way of describing things are not the same as our powerscaling equivalent of them, they often times use phrases like turn to dust/ash, erase, turn the world to ash etc for hyping up destruction and elimination and don’t differentiate their methods much. It is one of the reasons why statements usually are unreliable and feats are favoured instead due to having outright confirmations.
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Yet on this site people still use statements in databooks. So that would just cherry picking. Theirs no solid evidence bijuu bombs vape anything even looking at the panels you can still see large chunks of rocks and  debris
Ghostimuscrime said:
In any case they won’t take precedence over the primary canon outright showing vapour escape upward from the craters after detonation
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You can't just eye ball an explosion and say it's vaporized rock. I statement at least is needed. You can drop a nuke in the middle of nowhere and it will make a mushroom cloud out of dust,water vapor,and superheated air despite not blowing up a mountain.
 
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ichimojii said:
They do with KE. The dust haven't settled yet. Look at a mushroom cloud it's mostly superheated air,water vapor form moisture in the atmosphere and dust

Yet on this site people still use statements in databooks. So that would just cherry picking. Theirs no solid evidence bijuu bombs vape anything even looking at the panels you can still see large chunks of rocks and  debris

You can't just eye ball an explosion and say it's vaporized rock. I statement at least is needed. You can drop a nuke in the middle of nowhere and it will make a mushroom cloud out of dust,water vapor,and superheated air despite not blowing up a mountain.
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Aren't you the one cherrypicking though? you are trying to use a statement for 4tails naruto to generalize the others
 
ichimojii said:
They do with KE. The dust haven't settled yet. Look at a mushroom cloud it's mostly superheated air,water vapor form moisture in the atmosphere and dust
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There's a difference between dust quickly flying up and vapor slowly floating away.
ichimojii said:
Yet on this site people still use statements in databooks. So that would just cherry picking.
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That's not what cherry picking is. You should actually try to avoid this line of thinking in general because it's exactly how conspiracy theorists try to undermine real science.

Just because a scientist is wrong about something doesn't mean you can dismiss everything they said "or it would be cherry picking".

If a databook statement is consistent with the manga and doesn't contradict anything we are free to use it. If it does, then we don't.
ichimojii said:
Theirs no solid evidence bijuu bombs vape anything even looking at the panels you can still see large chunks of rocks and  debris
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When energy spreads the intensity lowers. The inside of the TBB vaporizing what's inside and fragmenting what's far away are not 2 mutually exclusive facts.
ichimojii said:
You can't just eye ball an explosion and say it's vaporized rock. I statement at least is needed.
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A statement isn't needed if you have sufficient visuals
 
It's not even cherrypicking because we use databooks based on tone and explicitness and only use the explicit ones, had a whole discussion rule implemented just for this



Plus the mushroom cloud example is terrible because many of the TBB vapours tend to waft upwards at the direction of the wind rather than have a violent vertical ascent, not to mention mushroom clouds happen immediately or nigh immediately during the explosion instead of being a delayed phenomenon, we can see the initial explosions are nothing like them so you can't really equate them to the aftermath-vapour showcasing
 
DavidTPPM said:
There's a difference between dust quickly flying up and vapor slowly floating away.

That's not what cherry picking is. You should actually try to avoid this line of thinking in general because it's exactly how conspiracy theorists try to undermine real science.

Just because a scientist is wrong about something doesn't mean you can dismiss everything they said "or it would be cherry picking".

If a databook statement is consistent with the manga and doesn't contradict anything we are free to use it. If it does, then we don't.

When energy spreads the intensity lowers. The inside of the TBB vaporizing what's inside and fragmenting what's far away are not 2 mutually exclusive facts.

A statement isn't needed if you have sufficient visuals
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Ghostimuscrime said:
It's not even cherrypicking because we use databooks based on tone and explicitness and only use the explicit ones, had a whole discussion rule implemented just for this



Plus the mushroom cloud example is terrible because many of the TBB vapours tend to waft upwards at the direction of the wind rather than have a violent vertical ascent, not to mention mushroom clouds happen immediately or nigh immediately during the explosion instead of being a delayed phenomenon, we can see the initial explosions are nothing like them so you can't really equate them to the aftermath-vapour showcasing
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You just keep saying the same stuff I showed large fragments of rocks and debris in my other post that alone. You still haven't proven for fact that biju bombs 100% vaped a mountain. The clouds can be made of superheated air or water vapor from the atmosphere or even materials from the explosion itself.

We also multiple times where bijuu bombs explode in mid air and we still see massive clouds of gas despite no rocks being hit. Examples being Obito's 4 super juubi bombs and naruto's clash with India's arrow
 
ichimojii said:
We also multiple times where bijuu bombs explode in mid air and we still see massive clouds of gas despite no rocks being hit. Examples being Obito's 4 super juubi bombs and naruto's clash with India's arrow
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These 2 examples you speak about, do you know their explosions actually reached the ground right?
 
ichimojii said:
You still haven't proven for fact that biju bombs 100% vaped a mountain.
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I believe the craters are vaporised due to explicit showings and we know it's vapour because it wafts upwards and towards a direction implying wind movement akin to the properties of a plume, that's sufficient by itself
ichimojii said:
The clouds can be made of superheated air
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Saying anything now lol

ichimojii said:
or water vapor from the atmosphere
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The water amount in air by itself is incredibly low with only around 1-3 g/m^3 in the mountainous regions paired with the fact that no bodies of water was affected during the scenes means it cannot cause any significant amounts of water vapour to be formed, now to go as far as claiming it'll be enough to make the volume of vapour be 1:1 with the crater diameter itself? that's just immature cope lol
ichimojii said:
or even materials from the explosion itself.
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Explosions release energy -->Energy heats whatever mass it couples to --> the rock and craters are the only things with sufficient mass to turn into a large plume
ichimojii said:
I showed large fragments of rocks and debris in my other post that alone.
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I doubt those specks even qualify as debris as they're too tiny to differentiate on what they actually are, it's not shown in other instances and they're small enough that if you calculated them separated from all else it would change nearly nothing
ichimojii said:
We also multiple times where bijuu bombs explode in mid air and we still see massive clouds of gas despite no rocks being hit. Examples being Obito's 4 super juubi bombs and naruto's clash with India's arrow
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The quad jubidamas not affecting the ground is just blatantly false lol

For the indra arrow scene, It creates storms, we see it create storms, showcases lightning being made prior multiple times, you can visibly see they're clouds summoned from the storm and not vapour itself, blatantly bad faith argument.
 
Hello friends! Happy holidays/Merry Christmas to those who celebrate!

It's been a minute for sure lol. I just wanted to let ya'll know that I'm still alive. Life hasn't been too kind to your boy lately, but I want to make a more conscious effort to be more present. I know I let ya'll down big time in 2025. Truthfully, I can't give concrete promises on when exactly, but I promise I'll try my best to make it up to you in 2026!

That's it, thanks for attending my TED Talk!
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UchihaSlayer96 said:
Hello friends! Happy holidays/Merry Christmas to those who celebrate!

It's been a minute for sure lol. I just wanted to let ya'll know that I'm still alive. Life hasn't been too kind to your boy lately, but I want to make a more conscious effort to be more present. I know I let ya'll down big time in 2025. Truthfully, I can't give concrete promises on when exactly, but I promise I'll try my best to make it up to you in 2026!

That's it, thanks for attending my TED Talk!
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The G.O.A.T himself
 
Deceived3596 said:
I currently have Slayer trapped in my basement, forcing him to work on the Chakra Blog. If needed, I will also kidnap and forcefully conscript Net as well, to further the progress.
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If you allow me to post that 'Itachi > Shibai' upgrade thread I've been working on, I can get the chakra blog done in a couple of days ong.
 
Can I just say that I got extreme whiplash from the double take I got upon seeing KCM2 Naruto from when he first unlocked it being stronger than both Bijū Sage Mode Naruto and ******* Jūbito on the profile? Also having White Mask Obito being the same way is driving me nuts. 😭
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
All will make sense in the next crt which should come out before new years (Hopefully)
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Imagine having a War Arc Naruto profile that has accepted matchups where KCM Naruto unironically beats the brakes off of a dude his BSM key loses too and have it be technically correct due to the rules.
 
Oh come on, you guys couldn't even buff up the second form Jūbi to match its first form at least so it doesn't look like the profile is outright lying with its description? 😭
 
Because it’ll be changed very soon either way with different tiers, different calcs, different justifications , different scans, almost different everything since we are undergoing revisions, it’s not the end of the world, I’m not leaving them out like that for a long time
 
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