Except, again, Kaguya having the Juubi "contained within her" only counts so far as someone's heart is "contained within them". She is the Juubi, in a literal sense. It's kinda like how Vegetto isn't a being that contains Goku and Vegeta within him, but rather is an entirely new being born from the fusion of Goku and Vegeta.
Huh, that's a really cool way of looking at it. If Baryon Mode was thought of at the time, I'm sure it would've had a hand in it.Kaguya and Juubi are in a form of Baryon Mode where she is the dominate entity?
Yeah, because it's really "odd" about Kaguya & the Ten-tails. We know each Juubi is it's own entity, albeit one that acts solely on instinct. And when they eat an Otsutsuki, they grow into a Shinju Tree.
Yeah, it's definitely a super unique status.
I have to disagree with this one chief if I get what you are implying.
Kaguya and Juubi are in a form of Baryon Mode where she is the dominate entity?
Just the whole "one instance isn't enough for scaling" part.
For starters, there's no proof to argue that Ryu was holding back here at all. He was very much trying to defeat them here as much as he has since the fight started. And actually, you can argue Mitsuki was thrown off guard when he got one-shot because Ryu had thrown Araya in the way, completely stopping Mitsuki in his tracks, which allowed Ryu to get the jump on him with his Iron Sand.
Choujuro was able to react to Kinshiki's flight speed, side step Kinshiki's axe swing, put up a guard seemingly as Kinshiki bullrushes him and nearly gets no diffed. He very much scales to Kinshiki in speed, Kinshiki just greatly overwhelmed him in power and aggressiveness.
If you're asking me if I believe this to be an off guard feat, then yes. And it is comparable.
As I said just above, I do believe that's an off guard feat yeah. But Sasuke already scales to SPSM Naruto who Jigen scales to/above.
I actually agree. I don't think Momoshiki absorbing Kinshiki is a 2x amp at all, and I believe the manga makes it pretty obvious with how Naruto deals with Momoshiki in both base and in SPSM.
Nice pfp.
This simply means that a 2x difference isn't so great to the point that you can't keep up. Although I'm not sure how bringing up Momoshiki one shotting Darui helps your case.
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It's low end, Naruto was at a disadvantage. And you don't need to be more than half as strong to block one attack from someone.
Well Base Naruto is certainly superior to some extent, they're just in a similar ballpark of able to fight Otsutsuki
He stopped Fused Momoshiki's attack entirely, he was not at a disadvantage wdym?
Inconsistent, especially since FM is relative physically to MS Sasuke & SPSM Naruto. Also... the fact that Kv2 Jigen has to block the same strike with Chakra Rods further supports my opinion on it.
He was on the losing end of the encounter in general, getting sent flying and spitting blood from Momoshiki's kick, being on the backfoot, and being forced into SPSM
It's not a clash where they ran at each other, clashed at equal force, then jumped away (although even in that case Base Naruto doesn't scale to Rinnegan Sasuke), Momoshiki charged and Naruto blocked (and it's not like hitting someone with the side of your arm is the most ergonomic thing anyways).
Where do you have Sasuke and Kinshiki in this?
MS Sasuke ~ SPSM Naruto
Stats aren't being stacked like that. DNA doesn't carry a complete facsimile of one's physical body (Muscle Mass, Height, weight, etc).
Chakra =/= Phhsicals. I said nothing about Chakra.
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Also Sakon is treated as getting a 10x boost to strength from his chakra increasing tenfold. The inverse is true for Jigen.
Only because there's a supporting statement of a 10x strength increase from a fellow S4 member whose ability functions the same (supposedly).
Jigen then
your statement is confusing in of itself. if Darui scales to base naruto who swapped with fused momo then why did he get one shotted?
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Not exactly. The real issue is that we tend to scale every character to another just because they clash, without considering narrative statements and consistency. For example, just because Base Naruto fights 12-year-old Base Boruto as if they’re on the same level doesn’t automatically mean Boruto scales to Naruto. Applying narrative context and maintaining consistency is crucial.
I was only talking about it bc I wanted to know what neo thought of the scaling lol
I agree but the same could be said for the opposite too like for example we scale Momoshiki to Naruto for kicking him in the face when he was very arguably off guard.
Do you use only the Manga for scaling?
