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Hopefully, soon I stop seeing matches likeHow the One piece verse will look when Kaguya drops a 4B God Fist and nukes their planet
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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Cecilus Segmunt vs Sage of the Six paths Naruto [8-0-3]
Cecilus Segmunt: @Zabazab, @Fezzih_007 @Gigi_4_life @VortechsTG @azontr @Ebihara @Trxyway @Rikimarox2 @Vizmer vs Naruto: @AlternativePrinciple @DavidTPPM @karo_senpaii Both are in their strongest key and ceci has his swords speed is equalized battle takes place around the flugel tree starting...
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off site other site will prob have a meltdown like they always do
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I could already hear the "when did Naruto destroy a solar system" 3 days into the future
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Hollow Moon Multi Mountain Agenda
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Tier 7 fodder verse fr
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Tier 7 ultimate jutsus with Tier 9 to 8 physicals and normal jutsu
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I know, and it'll be funny as usual.
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I'm sure someone has already said that somewhere.
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Did u ping me?
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That was a mistake.
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Yeah Konohamaru needs to get Low-5B rasengan now
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Sarada’s looks like it’s like Kamui-esque
But even Kamui doesn’t pick and choose what it wants to suck in
But even Kamui doesn’t pick and choose what it wants to suck in
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Well the chapter has dropped officially, so its fair game I assume
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I liked the art around the Konohamaru, Matsuri and Jura parts of the chapter
Sarada's reveal was cool too
Gotta wait for next chapter to fully see what it does but I really really really really hope it doesn't just stop at sucking up jutsu cause that'd suck so bad
Sarada's reveal was cool too
Gotta wait for next chapter to fully see what it does but I really really really really hope it doesn't just stop at sucking up jutsu cause that'd suck so bad
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I want a database entry for Sarada’s ability with the most bs, complicated, scientific explanation they can come up with
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Ok, so with Context, it’s more clear. Yodo could “somehow” hear the the Power of her MS that she was subconsciously holding back (Likely because Sarada’s emotional state was changing given the situation with Mitsuki and Araya being captured, Yodo fatally wounded and the remembrance of what Sumire said about not knowing anything about Boruto—Uchiha genes are Uchiha-ing) And from there she assumes it’s because Sarada wanted to use it.
Jura either can see whatever the Shinju see or sense whatever they feel (Likely similar to Ninshuu in how Naruto and everyone could see Obito’s Thoughts and Memories when connected to his Chakra).
Would Konohamaru’s feat be considered an “Off-Guard” feat and thus unscalable? (Granted I believe since Matsuri is featless, her “Durability” should scale below his AP seeing as a standard Rasengan completely shredded her hands).
I really believe it’s just better for us to scale the Shinju solely based on their own feats for now because rn, it really feels like the “Strongest” is Bug (Obviously not counting Jura).
Jura either can see whatever the Shinju see or sense whatever they feel (Likely similar to Ninshuu in how Naruto and everyone could see Obito’s Thoughts and Memories when connected to his Chakra).
Would Konohamaru’s feat be considered an “Off-Guard” feat and thus unscalable? (Granted I believe since Matsuri is featless, her “Durability” should scale below his AP seeing as a standard Rasengan completely shredded her hands).
I really believe it’s just better for us to scale the Shinju solely based on their own feats for now because rn, it really feels like the “Strongest” is Bug (Obviously not counting Jura).
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The Database would definitely call it a Singularity that absorbs whatever Sarada designates with strong Gravitational Forces.I want a database entry for Sarada’s ability with the most bs, complicated, scientific explanation they can come up with
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good chapter, the paneling and flow was better than usual for some reason
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yeah prob but i think konohamaru gonna be tier 5 eventually anyway.
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I don’t think being off guard would make two Giant Rasengan just erase you like that.
Boruto off-guarded Hidari with a Rasengan and just carved a hole on his shoulder.
Also there should no reason at all that the other Shinju are less durable than the one based off Bug, when all of them besides Jura are just people stuffed in a tree and given the same Code/Isshiki/Juubi Juice.
Bug is the weakest person that a God Tree is based off of and even he can take Boruto’s Raiton AP with his physical durability.
Besides, Konohamaru has had God Tier scaling with Rasengans since pre-TS anyways, so it’s not really an outlier.
If anything he further solidified that in TBV with his defensive variant of Rasengan blocking ninjutsu from Hidari who already scales to Boruto’s Ninjutsu.
Boruto off-guarded Hidari with a Rasengan and just carved a hole on his shoulder.
Also there should no reason at all that the other Shinju are less durable than the one based off Bug, when all of them besides Jura are just people stuffed in a tree and given the same Code/Isshiki/Juubi Juice.
Bug is the weakest person that a God Tree is based off of and even he can take Boruto’s Raiton AP with his physical durability.
Besides, Konohamaru has had God Tier scaling with Rasengans since pre-TS anyways, so it’s not really an outlier.
If anything he further solidified that in TBV with his defensive variant of Rasengan blocking ninjutsu from Hidari who already scales to Boruto’s Ninjutsu.
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Hiruzen was stabbed by a civilian 7 year old cause he was off guard
that being said i dont know how a lot of this applies to shinju physiology
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It shouldn’t, we’ve seen Hidari take far less damage from an offguard attack from Boruto.
Plus it’s not like it was a one and done off guard attack like being stabbed.
Matsuri was actively watching the Rasengans erase her body.
Can you even call that an offguard?
At best maybe you can argue she had a mental debuffed and that lowered her dura but that feels like a bit of cope for two people that are probably gonna end up tier 5 anyway via statements and Konohamaru already having other feats against Tier 5 ppl.
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well its not off guard in a literal sense but she was emotionally compromised which historically has a pretty large influence on characters performance.
im not disagreeing with Konohamaru scaling to tier 5, its going to happen regardless, im just skeptical on a flat scaling.
Konohamaru already has the chakra control and energy output to create tier 5 rasengan shields, its not a stretch to say that extends to his AP.
im not disagreeing with Konohamaru scaling to tier 5, its going to happen regardless, im just skeptical on a flat scaling.
Konohamaru already has the chakra control and energy output to create tier 5 rasengan shields, its not a stretch to say that extends to his AP.
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@Godernet
I do want to point out that despite Bug being the “weakest” person becomes a Shinju Ego, he has the better feats.
Particularly, no matter how we scale Sarada, she is not equal or superior to Boruto atm. Her Chidori Stream on panel is more effective against Hidari than Boruto’s is against Mamushi, which is just a fact.
Rn, the Shinju Ego aside from Jura don’t have too many feats, but what they do have shows that they are not all equivalent.
I do want to point out that despite Bug being the “weakest” person becomes a Shinju Ego, he has the better feats.
Particularly, no matter how we scale Sarada, she is not equal or superior to Boruto atm. Her Chidori Stream on panel is more effective against Hidari than Boruto’s is against Mamushi, which is just a fact.
Rn, the Shinju Ego aside from Jura don’t have too many feats, but what they do have shows that they are not all equivalent.
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Also, we know Konohamaru is gonna be saved, right? I mean, that cut off from seeing her attack implies it.
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Side Note: It’s actually kinda funny seeing Jura cry. Given his personality, it can be joked that he’s crying due to seeing these pleabs fall victim to love like a disappointed father! 
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I can agree with the emotional debuff, we've seen what that can do.
I just don't agree with that being used to argue that neither is Tier 5 (I know you aren't doing that Shadow)
Konohamaru came out of Pre-TS with Moon Level Rasengans, and then recently showed Low 5-B Rasengan Shields.
Matsuri was created via the exact same means as Mamushi, but with a stronger foundation (Literal Jounin vs Bug)
And 3 of the 4 initially created God Trees have durability feats against Tier 5s
IMO it's safe to say that they're all Tier 5 at this point, whether they're at the same "above Jigen level"class we have Code in rn is a different story though.
Personally, I think that we're getting too caught up in saying that feats against Boruto are automatically superior feats than against others, and saying that the other Shinju are automatically weaker than the ones that encounter Bort.
Boruto has definitely been shown to be the strongest one present in every situation we've seen so far in TBV besides against Jura, and in most cases he is > pm everybody else.
But that doesn't have to mean every jutsu he fires is automatically above every jutsu someone else fires just because we know he's stronger overall and physically.
Sarada's signature and seemingly strongest non-MS move, being as strong or stronger than Boruto just releasing a bunch of Raiton chakra to try deep frying Bug is fine at least IMO.
Especially since we know Chidori is meant to be stronger than a lot of AOE Raiton Jutsu due to how it concentrates chakra into a single point to damage a specific area.
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Well for starters, Chidori Stream, Chidori Nagashi, Chidori Lance and Streaming Chidori through objects like swords doesn’t scale to Chidori proper, as per the DB. So it’s wrong to state Chidori Stream is her strongest Jutsu that she used on Hidari. Further more, it’s likely the same method as Sasuke uses to stream Raiton through his body, as it wasn’t named, yet Boruto knows all of Sasuke’s arsenal and methods within reason.
So no, you don’t escape the fact Mamushi tanking Boruto’s Raiton better than Hidari tanking Sarada’s is evidence they aren’t all equal.
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Guys, an off-guard feat is just that, an off-guard feat. If we start allowing characters to scale based on these moments, it’ll seriously destroy the scaling of the verse. Even Isshiki had half his body blown away due to being caught off guard by pre-chakra fruit Kaguya. Boruto managed to damage Fused Momoshiki with a tiny Vanishing Rasengan under similar circumstances. I could list more examples, but I don’t have the time right now.
The whole reason they rely on betrayal and catching the Shinju off guard is because they’re significantly weaker. Let’s stick to the story as it’s presented.
The whole reason they rely on betrayal and catching the Shinju off guard is because they’re significantly weaker. Let’s stick to the story as it’s presented.
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Yeah and Hidari's wood arm was cut in half by Boruto's sword. I'm 100% against the idea that just because Mamushi's genetic makeup is Bug, who's weaker than everyone else, that must mean they upscale above him. Hidari's showings are absolutely garbage right now, and I'd rather wait until we either get confirmation that what you're saying is the case, or we judge them by their feats until they eventually get that scaling
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This is a good point too
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I'm mainly talking about the regular Chidori she used on Hidari, not the inferior ones.
and there is no correlation between the jutsu Boruto used on Mamushi and the Chidori Stream that Sarada used on Hidari.
there's nothing to even definitively say one is stronger than the other besides belief that everything Boruto does should be stronger than everything Sarada can do.
not upscale, but at least relative, there is no reason to assume otherwise other than personal perceptions of their feats.
Hidari clashed with Borutos ninjutsu and only took damage from Boruto, Sarada's Chidori, and Uzuhiko.
Those aren't bad feats at all.
If Sarada is the odd one out maybe her ninjutsu is stronger than you think.
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yeah sure his chidori scales I have no problem with that
but Mamushi is arguably relative to Boruto, he pushed him back and forced him to dodge his attacks with FRJ, and even took a Lightning Release with little damage. Hidari is NOT relative to Boruto outside of his Chidori. He got sent flying, carved by a Rasengan, cut by Boruto. He's very mid.
Right now that's a high-end assumption because based on feats, Matsuri literally has nothing going for her, Hidari is ******* mid outside of Chidori, Ryu is arguably even worse, he has no scaling outside of harming SM Mitsuki and Sarada, who also have no scaling to Tier 5 (yet).
Also Matsuri was very off guard. Emotionally compromised, Rasengan formed instantly and obliterated her hands and her arms, not like it matters anyway, Matsuri (currently) scales to Konohamaru's physicals which is shit. + Konohamaru's Rasengan is already Tier 5, so it's just be far stronger than a reg Rasengan
It's why I'd rather wait until we see more concrete feats.
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Well i’m not talking about Chidori proper, and even if we were, Boruto’s Standard Rasengan is shown to be far more powerful as it completely rips and shreds through Hidari’s body whike a Direct his by Chidori can only leave a deep cut, showing that yes, Boruto’s jutsu are just on anither levwl than her’s.
Yes there is. Boruto streams Raiton through jis Body. Chidori stream is the streaming of Chidori Raiton through their body and Boruto is trained by Sasuke, having been stated to have learnwd almost all Sasuke has to teach (And while Boruto isn't taught “Chidori”, that doesn’t negate the fact he’s likely learned to Stream Raition through his body from Sasuke), which is the correlation.
You have no evidence Sarada is anywhere near Boruto’s level to even argue that anything she does “may” match or overscale anything Boruto does, 1:1.
And before you try to argue the inverse, no: Boruto’s standard Rasengan is comparable to Hidari’s Chidori, and we know Rasengan and Chidori from comparable opponents cancel each other out.
Boruto’s Rasengan completely evicerates Hidari’s body. This means, 1:1, Hidari’s Chidori could do Similar Damage, and don’t give me no BS about Chidori not being able to. The fact that “this” is the result of Sarada’s Chidori vs Boruto’s standard level Ninjutsu showcases her Ninjutsu strength isn’t comparable.
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It really pains me to see how far in the mud Hidari is…
