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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

Just thinking about it, but why does Baryon mode Naruto have a "likely 5-A" in his profile? If Jigen who is inferior to Isshiki who is also inferior to Baryon mode Naruto is given the same "likely 5-A" justification, shouldn't Baryon Mode Naruto just straight up get a "5-A" tier? IIRC, Jigen was given that tier because he was considered to be a "whole other level" compared to Kaguya and he was able to demolish Kashin Koji with just less than 10% of his power. Suppose Jigen is given a whole tier higher than Kaguya just for being on another level. In that case, BM Naruto should also be given a "5-A" tier because he is not only above Kaguya, but he's even on a whole other level above Isshiki.

Isshiki's "likely 5-A" justification: Whole other level above 5-B Kaguya. His weaker form in less than 10% overpowered Kashin Koji.
Baryon Mode Naruto's "5-A" justification: Whole other level x2 above Kaguya since he's a whole different level above Isshiki. His weakened form in Baryon mode still dragged Isshiki until the last minute. Even Kurama considered it a whole different level from his other modes.

I just feel that Baryon mode should not have the same tier as Isshiki, Jigen, and the cyborgs were only confirmed to be stronger than Jigen. BM Naruto is already a lot stronger than Isshiki who is likely 5-A so BM Naruto still being on the same tier with Jigen and co looks under deserving to me.
 
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Tdjwo said:
Just thinking about it, but why does Baryon mode Naruto have a "likely 5-A" in his profile? If Jigen who is inferior to Isshiki who is also inferior to Baryon mode Naruto is given the same "likely 5-A" justification, shouldn't Baryon Mode Naruto just straight up get a "5-A" tier? IIRC, Jigen was given that tier because he was considered to be a "whole other level" compared to Kaguya and he was able to demolish Kashin Koji with just less than 10% of his power. Suppose Jigen is given a whole tier higher than Kaguya just for being on another level. In that case, BM Naruto should also be given a "5-A" tier because he is not only above Kaguya, but he's even on a whole other level above Isshiki.

Isshiki's "likely 5-A" justification: Whole other level above 5-B Kaguya. His weaker form in less than 10% overpowered Kashin Koji.
Baryon Mode Naruto's "5-A" justification: Whole other level x2 above Kaguya since he's a whole different level above Isshiki. His weakened form in Baryon mode still dragged Isshiki until the last minute. Even Kurama considered it a whole different level from his other modes.

I just feel that Baryon mode should not have the same tier as Isshiki, Jigen, and the cyborgs were only confirmed to be stronger than Jigen. BM Naruto is already a lot stronger than Isshiki who is likely 5-A so BM Naruto still being on the same tier with Jigen and co looks under deserving to me.
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Also I’m pretty sure we literally agreed on “at least” not “likely” for the 5-A ratings in the revision
 
ssgengar said:
Also I’m pretty sure we literally agreed on “at least” not “likely” for the 5-A ratings in the revision
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Wasn't that because Arc made an "at least 5-A, likely High 4-C" tier for Baryon mode Naruto? The High 4-C BM Naruto got removed so I don't know how much the "at least" still holds for credibility for a 5-A rating. But I still think he should get nothing less than a straight "5-A" rating.
 
Tdjwo said:
Wasn't that because Arc made an "at least 5-A, likely High 4-C" tier for Baryon mode Naruto? The High 4-C BM Naruto got removed so I don't know how much the "at least" still holds for credibility for a 5-A rating. But I still think he should get nothing less than a straight "5-A" rating.
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Not totally sure but even Jigen in otsutsuki form received this rating, regardless I agree w you
 
I was thinking, we can't use the speed of light for Naruto's reaction and calculate feats and characters giving blitz, but what about quotes?
For example, Naruto reacted to photon beams without problems, but Orochimaru was able to blitz that same Naruto, wouldn't that do the same FTL?
 
USklaverei said:
I was thinking, we can't use the speed of light for Naruto's reaction and calculate feats and characters giving blitz, but what about quotes?
For example, Naruto reacted to photon beams without problems, but Orochimaru was able to blitz that same Naruto, wouldn't that do the same FTL?
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use the Light Fang feat
 
Tdjwo said:
Just thinking about it, but why does Baryon mode Naruto have a "likely 5-A" in his profile? If Jigen who is inferior to Isshiki who is also inferior to Baryon mode Naruto is given the same "likely 5-A" justification, shouldn't Baryon Mode Naruto just straight up get a "5-A" tier? IIRC, Jigen was given that tier because he was considered to be a "whole other level" compared to Kaguya and he was able to demolish Kashin Koji with just less than 10% of his power. Suppose Jigen is given a whole tier higher than Kaguya just for being on another level. In that case, BM Naruto should also be given a "5-A" tier because he is not only above Kaguya, but he's even on a whole other level above Isshiki.

Isshiki's "likely 5-A" justification: Whole other level above 5-B Kaguya. His weaker form in less than 10% overpowered Kashin Koji.
Baryon Mode Naruto's "5-A" justification: Whole other level x2 above Kaguya since he's a whole different level above Isshiki. His weakened form in Baryon mode still dragged Isshiki until the last minute. Even Kurama considered it a whole different level from his other modes.

I just feel that Baryon mode should not have the same tier as Isshiki, Jigen, and the cyborgs were only confirmed to be stronger than Jigen. BM Naruto is already a lot stronger than Isshiki who is likely 5-A so BM Naruto still being on the same tier with Jigen and co looks under deserving to me.
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The issue was from KK being likely stronger than Delta
Then full power jigen being 10x stronger than a likely 5-B KK
Same applies from those who scale above full power jigen
 
USklaverei said:
I was thinking, we can't use the speed of light for Naruto's reaction and calculate feats and characters giving blitz, but what about quotes?
For example, Naruto reacted to photon beams without problems, but Orochimaru was able to blitz that same Naruto, wouldn't that do the same FTL?
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You probably only have to deal with it for 2 years to move this verse to ftl+ (and I still don't think you can find evidence for ftl+)
 
Tdjwo said:
Isshiki's "likely 5-A" justification: Whole other level above 5-B Kaguya. His weaker form in less than 10% overpowered Kashin Koji.
Baryon Mode Naruto's "5-A" justification: Whole other level x2 above Kaguya since he's a whole different level above Isshiki. His weakened form in Baryon mode still dragged Isshiki until the last minute. Even Kurama considered it a whole different level from his other modes.
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this is because of koji vs delta issue. we scale the koji as likely above the delta (I think they shouldn't even be 5a now, so according to the logic we use now, this is completely contradictory.)
 
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Halkum145 said:
this is because of koji vs delta issue. we scale the koji as likely above the delta (I think they shouldn't even be 5a now, so according to the logic we use now, this is completely contradictory.)
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Koji isn't 5-A and it is completely reasonable to assume he scales to delta
 
USklaverei said:
I was thinking, we can't use the speed of light for Naruto's reaction and calculate feats and characters giving blitz, but what about quotes?
For example, Naruto reacted to photon beams without problems, but Orochimaru was able to blitz that same Naruto, wouldn't that do the same FTL?
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This is literally the logic. Naruto with Hinata's byakugan had enough perception to easily perceive and dodge the beams. But he took Orochi's FTE. That is, Orochi by logic is faster than the beams
 
ssgengar said:
If it’s accepted as SOL then why is he relativistic for dodging multiple of them?
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He didn't exactly dodge multiple at once
He dodged 2 on a bike and the third one one in the lab
And as you know, one doesn't automatically get FTL for dodging SoL attacks
 
Testarossa said:
He didn't exactly dodge multiple at once
He dodged 2 on a bike and the third one one in the lab
And as you know, one doesn't automatically get FTL for dodging SoL attacks
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Was the lab particularly big or anything? Matching fused momo while in base (I know it was briefly) should support the fact that he’s at least relative to SOL
 
ssgengar said:
Was the lab particularly big or anything? Matching fused momo while in base (I know it was briefly) should support the fact that he’s at least relative to SOL
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Well it wasn't big
But then again
If furie fired that beam from 10m and at that exact moment Nardo moved 2m while evading the attack, it won't get SoL or FTL values

But I kinda agree with the Momo own
Given that it's generally accepted that Naruto's SPSM isn't massively above his base self in Shippuden
There's also a bunch of code statements which was used to scale AP. They can also be applied to speed
Iirc, sealed code is treated to be above delta
Same code was cautious against fighting Naruto or Sasuke in their nerfed selves
I heard there's going to be a speed revision soon
They might be getting a look in
 
Testarossa said:
Well it wasn't big
But then again
If furie fired that beam from 10m and at that exact moment Nardo moved 2m while evading the attack, it won't get SoL or FTL values

But I kinda agree with the Momo own
Given that it's generally accepted that Naruto's SPSM isn't massively above his base self in Shippuden
There's also a bunch of code statements which was used to scale AP. They can also be applied to speed
Iirc, sealed code is treated to be above delta
Same code was cautious against fighting Naruto or Sasuke in their nerfed selves
I heard there's going to be a speed revision soon
They might be getting a look in
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Right so like I understand how in that situation by itself that it was decided to play it safe and label the feat as relativistic

But in this case where we have evidence to support naruto reaching sol/ftl values while in base, I see 0 contradictions

I feel that it’s worth possibly opening a crt because from what I’ve heard the speed revisions are coming later rather than sooner
 
ssgengar said:
Right so like I understand how in that situation by itself that it was decided to play it safe and label the feat as relativistic

But in this case where we have evidence to support naruto reaching sol/ftl values while in base, I see 0 contradictions

I feel that it’s worth possibly opening a crt because from what I’ve heard the speed revisions are coming later rather than sooner
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You can go for it
The momo and code aspect might be nice
 
YoutubeForKing said:
Koji isn't 5-A and it is completely reasonable to assume he scales to delta
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%10 base jigen = koji > delta = spsm Naruto
can keep up with the same Naruto full power mixed mode jigen and is more powerful than full power base jigen.
(Of course I don't support Naruto=delta but Wiki accepts it like this lmao)
 
Halkum145 said:
%10 base jigen = koji > delta = spsm Naruto
can keep up with the same Naruto full power mixed mode jigen and is more powerful than full power base jigen.
(Of course I don't support Naruto=delta but Wiki accepts it like this lmao)
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Koji is considered "likely" above delta
Not an outright rating
That's where the whole likely 5-A stemmed from
 
They're going back to City/Mountain level after the new revisions, the town level ratings were only used as a placeholder until the new thread with the new Kirin value was used.
 
BlastX said:
They're going back to City/Mountain level after the new revisions, the town level ratings were only used as a placeholder until the new thread with the new Kirin value was used.
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oh nice. seemed weird considering the mountain lvl and city calcs were still on the page.
 
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