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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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wait wrong person lmao
This isnt true lolAll mods seem to be this way so no point debating
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Dont need to use the databook for that GG
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Just thinking about it, but why does Baryon mode Naruto have a "likely 5-A" in his profile? If Jigen who is inferior to Isshiki who is also inferior to Baryon mode Naruto is given the same "likely 5-A" justification, shouldn't Baryon Mode Naruto just straight up get a "5-A" tier? IIRC, Jigen was given that tier because he was considered to be a "whole other level" compared to Kaguya and he was able to demolish Kashin Koji with just less than 10% of his power. Suppose Jigen is given a whole tier higher than Kaguya just for being on another level. In that case, BM Naruto should also be given a "5-A" tier because he is not only above Kaguya, but he's even on a whole other level above Isshiki.
Isshiki's "likely 5-A" justification: Whole other level above 5-B Kaguya. His weaker form in less than 10% overpowered Kashin Koji.
Baryon Mode Naruto's "5-A" justification: Whole other level x2 above Kaguya since he's a whole different level above Isshiki. His weakened form in Baryon mode still dragged Isshiki until the last minute. Even Kurama considered it a whole different level from his other modes.
I just feel that Baryon mode should not have the same tier as Isshiki, Jigen, and the cyborgs were only confirmed to be stronger than Jigen. BM Naruto is already a lot stronger than Isshiki who is likely 5-A so BM Naruto still being on the same tier with Jigen and co looks under deserving to me.
Isshiki's "likely 5-A" justification: Whole other level above 5-B Kaguya. His weaker form in less than 10% overpowered Kashin Koji.
Baryon Mode Naruto's "5-A" justification: Whole other level x2 above Kaguya since he's a whole different level above Isshiki. His weakened form in Baryon mode still dragged Isshiki until the last minute. Even Kurama considered it a whole different level from his other modes.
I just feel that Baryon mode should not have the same tier as Isshiki, Jigen, and the cyborgs were only confirmed to be stronger than Jigen. BM Naruto is already a lot stronger than Isshiki who is likely 5-A so BM Naruto still being on the same tier with Jigen and co looks under deserving to me.
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Also I’m pretty sure we literally agreed on “at least” not “likely” for the 5-A ratings in the revision
Tdjwo
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Wasn't that because Arc made an "at least 5-A, likely High 4-C" tier for Baryon mode Naruto? The High 4-C BM Naruto got removed so I don't know how much the "at least" still holds for credibility for a 5-A rating. But I still think he should get nothing less than a straight "5-A" rating.
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Not totally sure but even Jigen in otsutsuki form received this rating, regardless I agree w you
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I was thinking, we can't use the speed of light for Naruto's reaction and calculate feats and characters giving blitz, but what about quotes?
For example, Naruto reacted to photon beams without problems, but Orochimaru was able to blitz that same Naruto, wouldn't that do the same FTL?
For example, Naruto reacted to photon beams without problems, but Orochimaru was able to blitz that same Naruto, wouldn't that do the same FTL?
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use the Light Fang feat
YoutubeForKing
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It very much is i've seen it and experienced it myself
Maybe not for other verses but majority of this ones it is.
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The issue was from KK being likely stronger than Delta
Then full power jigen being 10x stronger than a likely 5-B KK
Same applies from those who scale above full power jigen
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You probably only have to deal with it for 2 years to move this verse to ftl+ (and I still don't think you can find evidence for ftl+)
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this is because of koji vs delta issue. we scale the koji as likely above the delta (I think they shouldn't even be 5a now, so according to the logic we use now, this is completely contradictory.)
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YoutubeForKing
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Delta? Not on her page
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Koji isn't 5-A and it is completely reasonable to assume he scales to delta
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YoutubeForKing
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Yea no reason to assume their not, especially since naruto is already ftl
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Actually these feats were in base I believe, but regardless photon means light. It would be nice if staff could weigh in on this
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This is literally the logic. Naruto with Hinata's byakugan had enough perception to easily perceive and dodge the beams. But he took Orochi's FTE. That is, Orochi by logic is faster than the beams
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If it’s accepted as SOL then why is he relativistic for dodging multiple of them?
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It's already on his page
For lack of distance, it's simply put at relativistic
Testarossa002
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He didn't exactly dodge multiple at once
He dodged 2 on a bike and the third one one in the lab
And as you know, one doesn't automatically get FTL for dodging SoL attacks
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Was the lab particularly big or anything? Matching fused momo while in base (I know it was briefly) should support the fact that he’s at least relative to SOL
Testarossa002
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Well it wasn't big
But then again
If furie fired that beam from 10m and at that exact moment Nardo moved 2m while evading the attack, it won't get SoL or FTL values
But I kinda agree with the Momo own
Given that it's generally accepted that Naruto's SPSM isn't massively above his base self in Shippuden
There's also a bunch of code statements which was used to scale AP. They can also be applied to speed
Iirc, sealed code is treated to be above delta
Same code was cautious against fighting Naruto or Sasuke in their nerfed selves
I heard there's going to be a speed revision soon
They might be getting a look in
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Right so like I understand how in that situation by itself that it was decided to play it safe and label the feat as relativistic
But in this case where we have evidence to support naruto reaching sol/ftl values while in base, I see 0 contradictions
I feel that it’s worth possibly opening a crt because from what I’ve heard the speed revisions are coming later rather than sooner
Testarossa002
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You can go for it
The momo and code aspect might be nice
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%10 base jigen = koji > delta = spsm Naruto
can keep up with the same Naruto full power mixed mode jigen and is more powerful than full power base jigen.
(Of course I don't support Naruto=delta but Wiki accepts it like this lmao)
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The delta's beams were previously considered the speed of light, but are not used since they were later debunked.
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Testarossa002
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Koji is considered "likely" above delta
Not an outright rating
That's where the whole likely 5-A stemmed from
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That's why I said we won't have any sure success
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What the hell?
Why are all Jonin and Kage downgraded from City/Mountain to Town level???
Why are all Jonin and Kage downgraded from City/Mountain to Town level???
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oh nice. seemed weird considering the mountain lvl and city calcs were still on the page.
