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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

GTsek said:
To be fair, Boruto's 5-B will probably go too. Or at least they will try to take it down
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Idk how Uzuhiko will be downgraded from 5-B. It's pretty blatant, especially with the "maximum output" stuff. There is little to no room for question now unlike before when people were unsure of how much of the KE Boruto was using. Uzuhiko will remain "upto 5-B".
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Why is it a better assumption to say the held back/nerfed Uzuhiko utilized the full rotational and revolution energy of the earth as opposed to the maximum output?
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Could just be
1.) Boruto actually incorporated more of his chakra into Uzuhiko. Personally, I think the amount of rotational KE absorbed from the planet this time remains the same as it was previously. Since Boruto almost “destroyed” the planet in his previous attempt so it’ll make no sense for him to amp that same technique which is derived from the same source multiple times when he’s fully aware of the peril.

2. Boruto can use the energy from other celestial bodies. since he claims the potential is limitless
 
GTsek said:
I don't know if you understood, but "planet chakra" is just an expression
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Based on what? In any case, that Boruto absorbs it without limit or effect on the planet shows that this jutsu is strange and that giving its energy a value is basically impossible.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Why is it a better assumption to say the held back/nerfed Uzuhiko utilized the full rotational and revolution energy of the earth as opposed to the maximum output?
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Looking closely, Boruto says that there is no limit to Uzuhiko, and if we add that to the fact that he has to "charge" the attack, so this "unlimited" he refers to means that the longer he spends "charging" the attack, the attack will become stronger, and that this "charge" does not have a limit. So this means that he is not using ALL of the Earth's rotation and revolution energy but only part of it, or not ?
 
GTsek said:
Looking closely, Boruto says that there is no limit to Uzuhiko, and if we add that to the fact that he has to "charge" the attack, so this "unlimited" he refers to means that the longer he spends "charging" the attack, the attack will become stronger, and that this "charge" does not have a limit. So this means that he is not using ALL of the Earth's rotation and revolution energy but only part of it, or not ?
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Could just mean that in the context of Boruto 600 zettatons is so massive it’s viewed as unlimited power. As opposed to literally assuming it means High 3-A levels of power
 
GTsek said:
Looking closely, Boruto says that there is no limit to Uzuhiko, and if we add that to the fact that he has to "charge" the attack, so this "unlimited" he refers to means that the longer he spends "charging" the attack, the attack will become stronger, and that this "charge" does not have a limit. So this means that he is not using ALL of the Earth's rotation and revolution energy but only part of it, or not ?
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Either:
1. Boruto is absorbing such minuscule amounts of the planets KE that he can charge the jutsu as much and as many times as he wants without significantly impacting the planet. 600 Zt is viewed as limitless power since using a tiny part of it can one shot god tier characters.
or what I said:
2. Planetary chakra, just like nature energy, is a fictitious concept associated with the revolution and rotation of Earth in Naruto that doesn't exist in real life and that muddles things and makes this jutsu unquantifiable.
5-B goes in the dumpster, whichever is true.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Could just mean that in the context of Boruto 600 zettatons is so massive it’s viewed as unlimited power. As opposed to literally assuming it means High 3-A levels of power
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Fair. Obviously some will say that it is technically 3-A, if it were in fact infinite energy, but he needs to "charge" that energy, so he would probably never get to it. That's why I think it's fairer to think that means that there is no limit because he can stay "charging" for as long as he wants. It is worth remembering that he mentions "rotation of the earth and any other corresponding force on the panet", So there's something more there.
 
Boruto’s max output Uzuhiko will stay the same, everyone else is probably getting cucked for now.

The “limitless power” statement should not be taken literally at all. It’s no different than Boruto saying the vertigo effect of Uzuhiko is semi permanent because a planet won’t stop spinning in their lifetimes. All it means is Uzuhiko is very powerful, which we already knew.

Any other scaling to Uzuhiko will probably depend on what happens in the future, something like anyone taking Max Output Uzuhiko without getting erased like Hidari did. Or even a statement putting X and Y character above Uzuhiko

I having a sneaking suspicion that we’ll end up with Karma Bort and Kawaki above Uzuhiko eventually. Maybe even Jura if he absorbs his fellow Shinju. But at this point we should just wait and see.
 
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GTsek said:
Fair. Obviously some will say that it is technically 3-A, if it were in fact infinite energy, but he needs to "charge" that energy, so he would probably never get to it. That's why I think it's fairer to think that means that there is no limit because he can stay "charging" for as long as he wants. It is worth remembering that he mentions "rotation of the earth and any other corresponding force on the panet", So there's something more there.
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What does it mean that he can stay "charging" for as long as he wants? In this chapter it is stated that Boruto "takes in" or "absorbs" the chakra of the planet. If you think that the "chakra of the planet" is just an expression, you must think that Boruto is simply absorbing the KE of the planet. So why isnt the planets movement being majorly affected by the use of this jutsu and why can he freely use it? Either he is absorbing very little of the KE or this jutsu is, as I said, more esoteric and not as simple as KE absorption.
 
In a 1 v 1, all Boruto has to do is create 3 clones to serve as a distraction while he charges Uzuhiko unless his opponent has easy counters to.
 
lolgutwo said:
What does it mean that he can stay "charging" for as long as he wants? In this chapter it is stated that Boruto "takes in" or "absorbs" the chakra of the planet. If you think that the "chakra of the planet" is just an expression, you must think that Boruto is simply absorbing the KE of the planet. So why isnt the planets movement being majorly affected by the use of this jutsu and why can he freely use it? Either he is absorbing very little of the KE or this jutsu is, as I said, more esoteric and not as simple as KE absorption.
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In fact, looking at it now, he says that his rasengan "takes advantage" of rotational and equivalent forces, So looking closely, it's not as if he was absorbing energy into himself, but rather transferring the energy of these forces to the enemy. Think of Boruto as a conductor, he just makes this energy pass through him and then hit the enemy.
 
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Nierre said:
Uzuhiko wouldn't be at full power tho since his chakra would be split
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How much of his power is required vs the other forces? Uzuhiko clearly isn’t a move that uses majority of his chakra. In principle, Kirin is the same as Uzuhiko, no? Using a small amount of Chakra to manipulate larger natural forces.
 
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GTsek said:
In fact, looking at it now, he says that his rasengan "takes advantage" of rotational and equivalent forces, So looking closely, it's not as if he was absorbing energy into himself, but rather transferring the energy of these forces to the enemy. Think of Boruto as a conduit, he just makes this energy pass through him and then hit the enemy.
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Whether he is absorbing it into himself or just transferring the energy with his jutsu, he is using the energy and using it should slow the planet down. If its not clearly slowing it down, he must be using very little of it or something strange is going on. Uzuhiko is not 5-B in my book.

Also, Boruto calling Uzuhikos power limitless is indeed just an empty statement that means that its very powerful. Boruto also says the jutsu has a full power and that he needs time to charge it to reach it. So there is probably no such thing as him charging for as long as he wants.
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
How much of his power is required vs the other forces? Uzuhiko clearly isn’t a move that uses majority of his chakra. In principle, Kirin is the same as Uzuhiko, no? Using a small amount of Chakra to manipulate larger natural forces.
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Kirin technically requires you to form the energy yourself which Sasuke did by using 8 Katon in the sky and the heat of Amaterasu to form a cumulonimbus. Then he directed the combined energy he and Itachi created into a raiton jutsu to smite Itachi.

Uzuhiko seemingly uses Boruto's own AP + a contract to use him as a beacon to move the planet's chakra(rotational and centrifugal force) in his direction for an attack.

Kirin is entirely the heat gathered by Sasuke and Itachi concentrated into a blast

whereas Uzuhiko is Bort + Planet, it is unknown which brings how much to the table as far as its AP.

based on Bort's own words Uzuhiko is above him to some unknown degree.

we'll probably get more context in the coming weeks since he'll probably try it against Jura too.
 
ssgengar said:
What do you guys think is gonna happen with the chakra fruits from the Shinju?
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Hidaris will be used to revive him, nothing related to him was brought to a proper conclusion so he will be brought back. In the long term, a villain is probably going to use them to gain power, maybe Jura or maybe someone else.
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
So that means WK Code would scale unquantifiably over 300+ Zt? If everyone is in agreement?
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I don't think so.
1. Boruto decides he needs x joules in Uzuhiko to neutralize Code.
2. Boruto gathers 0.5x joules in Uzuhiko.
3. Boruto makes that statement.
That's my thought process.

Doesn't mean x = maximum output.
 
Godernet said:
halfway to the potency needed to beat Code doesn't mean halfway to Uzuhiko's full output.
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Fair, but if we’re also being consistent, Boruto doesn’t really “know” Code’s full power w/o Limits. He ran when Sasuke fought him alone and that was the only time they fought, and Code hadn’t used WK against him. So to say Boruto knows the exact amount to beat WK Code isn’t really supported.
 
Uzuhiko is my fav jutsu introduced in the boruto era tbh

not only is it conceptually cool, it has clear defined limitations and a explanation of how it mechanically works.

its limitations also allows the story to give other characters like Sarada and chance to be relevant in fights.

awesome stuff
 
Now for a power scaling goon question. Do yall believe that Uzuhiko serves as a legitimate cap for the vast majority of the verse? Like capping anyone who’s like weaker than Code below 5-B (600 zettatons)? Cuz to me at least, it seems like a very clear antifeat for the tier 4 or higher metas.
 
karo_senpaii said:
in context the planet was still at risk of destruction i don't see why not.
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Good point. I can't find the official translations for that panel tho. I think the version he used on Code, at best, would be an unquantifiable amount above baseline 5-B. And the one against Hidari should be 10x baseline 5-B.
Arc7Kuroi said:
Now for a power scaling goon question. Do yall believe that Uzuhiko serves as a legitimate cap for the vast majority of the verse? Like capping anyone who’s like weaker than Code below 5-B (600 zettatons)? Cuz to me at least, it seems like a very clear antifeat for the tier 4 or higher metas.
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It's starting to look that way from the "author's intent" POV.
 
karo_senpaii said:
boruto uzuhiko for code is 5B.
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Why would any Uzuhiko be 5-B at this point? Now that we know that it works by absorbing energy, we must take into consideration that taking the majority of the planets KE means rather suddenly slowing the planet down significantly. Nowhere is that shown on panel, nor is it stated that the full power of Uzuhiko is equal to the entirety of the KE of the planets revolution. It could be a small part of it. Boruto cannot be juicing 600 Zt from the planet repeatedly unless if its revolution is not like our Earths.
Arc7Kuroi said:
Now for a power scaling goon question. Do yall believe that Uzuhiko serves as a legitimate cap for the vast majority of the verse? Like capping anyone who’s like weaker than Code below 5-B (600 zettatons)? Cuz to me at least, it seems like a very clear antifeat for the tier 4 or higher metas.
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Most likely but tier 4 metas are stupid with or without said cap.
 
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