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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

Kawaki took another L this Chapter. He didn’t even face Jura. He was disrespected by Jura not even looking at him and still turned tail and ran back to the village…
 
I am going back to my initial opinion of Uzuhiko being unquantifiable mumbo jumbo. Boruto says that he takes in /or absorbs the chakra of the planet in the chapter and that the power of Uzuhiko is limitless. Like I said at first, Uzuhiko isnt simply rotational KE (or KE from the revolution of the planet as we learned later), it includes the fictitious 'chakra of the planet' that represents the rotation and revolution of the planet, and the power of Uzuhiko varies based on how long he absorbs the chakra. This isnt how using the planets KE would work logically or how it works in other fictional works. The planets movement apparently isnt even affected by the absorption and Boruto can absorb as much energy or chakra as he wants without disastrous effects. If we assume that in the Narutoverse this planetary chakra keeps the planet moving no matter what and Boruto can draw upon the KE of its rotation and revolution as much as he wants, theres the issue of finding out how much time he spends on the absorption each time he uses the jutsu and the rate of absorption.

On paper, Uzuhiko could be way below or way above ~600 Zt and theres no way of knowing the true energy behind every usage of the jutsu.
 
lolgutwo said:
I am going back to my initial opinion of Uzuhiko being unquantifiable mumbo jumbo. Boruto says that he takes in /or absorbs the chakra of the planet in the chapter and that the power of Uzuhiko is limitless. Like I said at first, Uzuhiko isnt simply rotational KE (or KE from the revolution of the planet as we learned later), it includes the fictitious 'chakra of the planet' that represents the rotation and revolution of the planet, and the power of Uzuhiko varies based on how long he absorbs the chakra. This isnt how using the planets KE would work logically or how it works in other fictional works. The planets movement apparently isnt even affected by the absorption and Boruto can absorb as much energy or chakra as he wants without disastrous effects. If we assume that in the Narutoverse this planetary chakra keeps the planet moving no matter what and Boruto can draw upon the KE of its rotation and revolution as much as he wants, theres the issue of finding out how much time he spends on the absorption each time he uses the jutsu and the rate of absorption.

On paper, Uzuhiko could be way below or way above ~600 Zt and theres no way of knowing the true energy behind every usage of the jutsu.
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I don't know if you understood, but "planet chakra" is just an expression
 
GTsek said:
To be fair, Boruto's 5-B will probably go too. Or at least they will try to take it down
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Idk how Uzuhiko will be downgraded from 5-B. It's pretty blatant, especially with the "maximum output" stuff. There is little to no room for question now unlike before when people were unsure of how much of the KE Boruto was using. Uzuhiko will remain "upto 5-B".
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Why is it a better assumption to say the held back/nerfed Uzuhiko utilized the full rotational and revolution energy of the earth as opposed to the maximum output?
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Could just be
1.) Boruto actually incorporated more of his chakra into Uzuhiko. Personally, I think the amount of rotational KE absorbed from the planet this time remains the same as it was previously. Since Boruto almost “destroyed” the planet in his previous attempt so it’ll make no sense for him to amp that same technique which is derived from the same source multiple times when he’s fully aware of the peril.

2. Boruto can use the energy from other celestial bodies. since he claims the potential is limitless
 
GTsek said:
I don't know if you understood, but "planet chakra" is just an expression
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Based on what? In any case, that Boruto absorbs it without limit or effect on the planet shows that this jutsu is strange and that giving its energy a value is basically impossible.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Why is it a better assumption to say the held back/nerfed Uzuhiko utilized the full rotational and revolution energy of the earth as opposed to the maximum output?
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Looking closely, Boruto says that there is no limit to Uzuhiko, and if we add that to the fact that he has to "charge" the attack, so this "unlimited" he refers to means that the longer he spends "charging" the attack, the attack will become stronger, and that this "charge" does not have a limit. So this means that he is not using ALL of the Earth's rotation and revolution energy but only part of it, or not ?
 
GTsek said:
Looking closely, Boruto says that there is no limit to Uzuhiko, and if we add that to the fact that he has to "charge" the attack, so this "unlimited" he refers to means that the longer he spends "charging" the attack, the attack will become stronger, and that this "charge" does not have a limit. So this means that he is not using ALL of the Earth's rotation and revolution energy but only part of it, or not ?
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Could just mean that in the context of Boruto 600 zettatons is so massive it’s viewed as unlimited power. As opposed to literally assuming it means High 3-A levels of power
 
GTsek said:
Looking closely, Boruto says that there is no limit to Uzuhiko, and if we add that to the fact that he has to "charge" the attack, so this "unlimited" he refers to means that the longer he spends "charging" the attack, the attack will become stronger, and that this "charge" does not have a limit. So this means that he is not using ALL of the Earth's rotation and revolution energy but only part of it, or not ?
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Either:
1. Boruto is absorbing such minuscule amounts of the planets KE that he can charge the jutsu as much and as many times as he wants without significantly impacting the planet. 600 Zt is viewed as limitless power since using a tiny part of it can one shot god tier characters.
or what I said:
2. Planetary chakra, just like nature energy, is a fictitious concept associated with the revolution and rotation of Earth in Naruto that doesn't exist in real life and that muddles things and makes this jutsu unquantifiable.
5-B goes in the dumpster, whichever is true.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Could just mean that in the context of Boruto 600 zettatons is so massive it’s viewed as unlimited power. As opposed to literally assuming it means High 3-A levels of power
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Fair. Obviously some will say that it is technically 3-A, if it were in fact infinite energy, but he needs to "charge" that energy, so he would probably never get to it. That's why I think it's fairer to think that means that there is no limit because he can stay "charging" for as long as he wants. It is worth remembering that he mentions "rotation of the earth and any other corresponding force on the panet", So there's something more there.
 
Boruto’s max output Uzuhiko will stay the same, everyone else is probably getting cucked for now.

The “limitless power” statement should not be taken literally at all. It’s no different than Boruto saying the vertigo effect of Uzuhiko is semi permanent because a planet won’t stop spinning in their lifetimes. All it means is Uzuhiko is very powerful, which we already knew.

Any other scaling to Uzuhiko will probably depend on what happens in the future, something like anyone taking Max Output Uzuhiko without getting erased like Hidari did. Or even a statement putting X and Y character above Uzuhiko

I having a sneaking suspicion that we’ll end up with Karma Bort and Kawaki above Uzuhiko eventually. Maybe even Jura if he absorbs his fellow Shinju. But at this point we should just wait and see.
 
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GTsek said:
Fair. Obviously some will say that it is technically 3-A, if it were in fact infinite energy, but he needs to "charge" that energy, so he would probably never get to it. That's why I think it's fairer to think that means that there is no limit because he can stay "charging" for as long as he wants. It is worth remembering that he mentions "rotation of the earth and any other corresponding force on the panet", So there's something more there.
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What does it mean that he can stay "charging" for as long as he wants? In this chapter it is stated that Boruto "takes in" or "absorbs" the chakra of the planet. If you think that the "chakra of the planet" is just an expression, you must think that Boruto is simply absorbing the KE of the planet. So why isnt the planets movement being majorly affected by the use of this jutsu and why can he freely use it? Either he is absorbing very little of the KE or this jutsu is, as I said, more esoteric and not as simple as KE absorption.
 
lolgutwo said:
What does it mean that he can stay "charging" for as long as he wants? In this chapter it is stated that Boruto "takes in" or "absorbs" the chakra of the planet. If you think that the "chakra of the planet" is just an expression, you must think that Boruto is simply absorbing the KE of the planet. So why isnt the planets movement being majorly affected by the use of this jutsu and why can he freely use it? Either he is absorbing very little of the KE or this jutsu is, as I said, more esoteric and not as simple as KE absorption.
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In fact, looking at it now, he says that his rasengan "takes advantage" of rotational and equivalent forces, So looking closely, it's not as if he was absorbing energy into himself, but rather transferring the energy of these forces to the enemy. Think of Boruto as a conductor, he just makes this energy pass through him and then hit the enemy.
 
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Nierre said:
Uzuhiko wouldn't be at full power tho since his chakra would be split
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How much of his power is required vs the other forces? Uzuhiko clearly isn’t a move that uses majority of his chakra. In principle, Kirin is the same as Uzuhiko, no? Using a small amount of Chakra to manipulate larger natural forces.
 
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GTsek said:
In fact, looking at it now, he says that his rasengan "takes advantage" of rotational and equivalent forces, So looking closely, it's not as if he was absorbing energy into himself, but rather transferring the energy of these forces to the enemy. Think of Boruto as a conduit, he just makes this energy pass through him and then hit the enemy.
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Whether he is absorbing it into himself or just transferring the energy with his jutsu, he is using the energy and using it should slow the planet down. If its not clearly slowing it down, he must be using very little of it or something strange is going on. Uzuhiko is not 5-B in my book.

Also, Boruto calling Uzuhikos power limitless is indeed just an empty statement that means that its very powerful. Boruto also says the jutsu has a full power and that he needs time to charge it to reach it. So there is probably no such thing as him charging for as long as he wants.
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
How much of his power is required vs the other forces? Uzuhiko clearly isn’t a move that uses majority of his chakra. In principle, Kirin is the same as Uzuhiko, no? Using a small amount of Chakra to manipulate larger natural forces.
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Kirin technically requires you to form the energy yourself which Sasuke did by using 8 Katon in the sky and the heat of Amaterasu to form a cumulonimbus. Then he directed the combined energy he and Itachi created into a raiton jutsu to smite Itachi.

Uzuhiko seemingly uses Boruto's own AP + a contract to use him as a beacon to move the planet's chakra(rotational and centrifugal force) in his direction for an attack.

Kirin is entirely the heat gathered by Sasuke and Itachi concentrated into a blast

whereas Uzuhiko is Bort + Planet, it is unknown which brings how much to the table as far as its AP.

based on Bort's own words Uzuhiko is above him to some unknown degree.

we'll probably get more context in the coming weeks since he'll probably try it against Jura too.
 
ssgengar said:
What do you guys think is gonna happen with the chakra fruits from the Shinju?
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Hidaris will be used to revive him, nothing related to him was brought to a proper conclusion so he will be brought back. In the long term, a villain is probably going to use them to gain power, maybe Jura or maybe someone else.
 
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