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You're a true Konohamaru fan. Or a Rasengan enthusiast.I was giga-hyped over this.
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You're a true Konohamaru fan. Or a Rasengan enthusiast.I was giga-hyped over this.
He's about to Mike Tyson him.Nah wtf. WTF is Bug Shinju doing. It's even more weird now.
Don't forget Borutowhenever Jura gets a profle, someone gotta make a three way deadlock thread with Ishikki and Daemon
Ah, I forgot that Jigen and Isshiki were distinguished like that
BFR maybeWhat's Isshiki answer to Daemon's hax?
throwing handsWhat's Isshiki answer to Daemon's hax?
Yeah this worksBFR maybe
Ranged attacks if Daemon isn't touching anyone. If his hax works without touch, then BFR. Can he use Daikokuten like Kawaki? If so then gg.What's Isshiki answer to Daemon's hax?
we need to get further clarification before the match is hostedRanged attacks if Daemon isn't touching anyone. If his hax works without touch, then BFR. Can he use Daikokuten like Kawaki? If so then gg.
There is a scan that says "Stronger enemies await Boruto in the future." The Deamon referred to in that scan may be Deamon>Isshiki. But most likely that statement refers to the 5 Shinju he is currently fighting.Don't we have direct confirmation that Daemon is stronger than Isshiki though? Like outright, Code and those that followed are supposed to be stronger than him hence why they were all put away or limited becasuse Isshiki didn't tolerate this
I mean he didn't touched Kawaki and Kawaki still got roasted? I don't think he needs to touch but killing intent may be trigger for his ability.Ranged attacks if Daemon isn't touching anyone. If his hax works without touch, then BFR. Can he use Daikokuten like Kawaki? If so then gg.
Are you talking about when Kawaki tried to verify Daemons hax? It was brought to my attention that Daemon in that moment could have been touching Eida. We just don't see his hand. Or are you talking about when Code pulled him out against Kawaki? In that case he was touching Code.I mean he didn't touched Kawaki and Kawaki still got roasted? I don't think he needs to touch but killing intent may be trigger for his ability.
So you are suggesting to activate his abilities he needs to touch someone? May be Idk.Are you talking about when Kawaki tried to verify Daemons hax? It was brought to my attention that Daemon in that moment could have been touching Eida. We just don't see his hand. Or are you talking about when Code pulled him out against Kawaki? In that case he was touching Code.
That is what bug said verbatim I think. I was confused at first too. Slayer cleared it up for me how it would be possible. Although it could still be the case that touch isn't required. I'm just explaining how there is still a possibility.So you are suggesting to activate his abilities he needs to touch someone? May be Idk.
SealingWhat's Isshiki answer to Daemon's hax?
I can't tell if Kishi is trying to set Shikadai up for something greater in the future or if he's just having Jura straight up glaze him, cuz Shikadai is definitely smart... but it's like.. what he's doing is pretty standard lol idk.Jura praised Shikadai like 4 times now?
Don't let him touch a person?What's Isshiki answer to Daemon's hax?
1. Or it could be a higher version. As to which statements and feats imply as such
I mean it's plain to see that it's not the same as what he used against Code, so it could just be a lesser version of channeling his power.
No, you're the one that claimed that he can't use it, I'm just saying it's unprovable either way so an argument can't be based around that.
I'm talking about here when Code was holding Kawaki. This and the Vanishing Rasengan are the only times he uses Rasengan at all in the fight. Also even with the use of his claw marks, he didn't have the upperhand. No she was conc erned throughout.
Size =/= strength. Base Kid Naruto's Rasengan is the same in appearance as SPSM Naruto's Normal Rasengan, but the power is orders of magnitude apart.
Yes he held back from his full power, but he still felt the need to use Super Super Oodama Rasengan, and kept that blasting her for quite a while to take her out, meaning Naruto's Hypothetical Strongest Rasengan>Delta's survivability (not the same as durability)~SPSM Super Super Oodama Rasengan>>Nerfed Naruto's Super Super Oodama Rasengan. Not to say Nerfed Naruto wouldn't do a lot of damage to her with the attack, he would, but she wouldn't be in nearly as bad a state.
Demonstrably not
Doesn't matter since Delta scales to SPSM Naruto's Rasengan.
Sure, so in overall combat ability TE Boruto~/~>Code~>Nerfed Naruto, so either way Boruto's statement doesn't make much sense as he indicates a sizeable gap between him and Naruto/Sasuke (thinks that even with him being a weakling, Naruto and Sasuke are worthy of being considered decent/strong fighters). I don't see why they wouldn't, when that's not tied to him having Kurama at all.
The Karma pattern is clearly less developed and he doesn't even have the dojutsu. Very little reason to think it's stronger, especially by feats. That one statement is not clear enough to override everything against it being >TE1. Or it could be a higher version. As to which statements and feats imply as such
2. I can and will. Absence of evidence equals dismissal. We can as well follow you trail of thoughts and say tenten can use the rasengan. She just choses to never use it. he didn't use it means he doesn't have it in his arsenal. Simple and short.
Bruh what I'm saying is that he didn't use the Rasengan in general much throughout the fight, and we obviously know he can use the Rasengan. The only times he chose to use Rasengan AT ALL were:3. Yeah and why didn't he use it before then. It's simple as he can't.
You're arguing over semantics, the point is that Boruto was a significant threat to himThat's not being worried. "I wouldn't write him off" typically means don't underestimate him .
In the manga Momoshiki never did well against Naruto physically.4. Who said size equals strength. I'm saying a base naruto cho odama rasengan while fatigued and drained one shotted someone that could fight on par with his spsm physicals.
He overloaded her absorption capacity with just a regular Super Oodama Rasengan. Even after her eyes lost all functionality and there was no risk of her absorbing chakra, he felt the need to make it much bigger to take her out. Nothing I said was headcanon, it's literally just shown and stated.5. No he simply needed it so as to overload her chakra capacity. All the rest you are doing is pure head canon.
I'm not saying her regular durability scales to the Rasengan, I'm saying that she's tough enough to survive it. Neither am I saying she scales to his absolute maximum power, but to the SPSM equivalent of Base Naruto's strongest shown Rasengan.6. Delta does not in fact scale to a rasengan thay left her unconscious even while the said user held back so as not to kill her. What exactly are you scaling at this point?
Or he just doesn't consider True Essence as it's not something he feels ok using at this point, even if he has better control than before. Which we see as he doesn't use it when Kawaki's trying to murder him, and opts for a Karma version with a less developed pattern and no dojutsu.7. Now you're just contradicting yourself . This statement is after boruto said he could channel momo power better. Daemon fought base boruto so it simply means nerfed naruto> Base boruto which is obviously. If you mean that he is putting him over even when he uses momo power then you are implying boruto is scaling himself to true essence and feels he can use it but still can't be daemon. Choose one
You mean on the wiki or in general?Hey guys sage mode has any specific amps?
In wikiYou mean on the wiki or in general?
No. Otherwise we would have like 6-A Juubito rnThought it was like times 3 or something like that based off the curse mark? I know it got removed, though I don't know if it got added back in
1. Not having the dojutsu is irrelevant to power as dojutsu are genetic traits. And the karma pattern is irrelevant seeing as the extraction has been completed 100% . You can't hold it to same standards anymoreThe Karma pattern is clearly less developed and he doesn't even have the dojutsu. Very little reason to think it's stronger, especially by feats. That one statement is not clear enough to override everything against it being >TE
Appeal to Ignorance Fallacy: Definition and Examples
The foundation of any logical argument is at least one credible, logical source to support it. You use a logical fallacy when you…www.grammarly.comAlso that Ten Ten example is not analogous whatsoever. If we were to compare that to what we're arguing, you'd basically be saying Ten Ten can't use the Rasengan and I'd be saying there's no proof either way so no conclusive stance can be maintained on it.Argument from ignorance - Wikipedia
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Bruh what I'm saying is that he didn't use the Rasengan in general much throughout the fight, and we obviously know he can use the Rasengan. The only times he chose to use Rasengan AT ALL were:
1. When Code was holding Kawaki and if Boruto made a big one there, Kawaki would be caught up in the blast
2. When he used a Vanishing Rasengan, which is an entirely different kind and there's no proof that even Post-Death Karma Boruto can make a Massive Vanishing Rasengan
You're arguing over semantics, the point is that Boruto was a significant threat to him
In the manga Momoshiki never did well against Naruto physically.
He overloaded her absorption capacity with just a regular Super Oodama Rasengan. Even after her eyes lost all functionality and there was no risk of her absorbing chakra, he felt the need to make it much bigger to take her out. Nothing I said was headcanon, it's literally just shown and stated.
I'm not saying her regular durability scales to the Rasengan, I'm saying that she's tough enough to survive it. Neither am I saying she scales to his absolute maximum power, but to the SPSM equivalent of Base Naruto's strongest shown Rasengan.
Or he just doesn't consider True Essence as it's not something he feels ok using at this point, even if he has better control than before. Which we see as he doesn't use it when Kawaki's trying to murder him, and opts for a Karma version with a less developed pattern and no dojutsu.
Or you could just scale juubito to hashirama and downscale from there? Considering we have no calcs for the juubi strongest tbb there is no issue if juubito is that high and you bring everyone downwards from thereThere are quite a few problems with SM multiplier with our current scaling.
1. Sannin scaling is a lot more convoluted since now SM Jiraiya has to be 10x stronger than Base Jiraiya.
2. Madara's PS is > Sasuke's PS, who scales to BSM Naruto. (Orochimaru states Sasuke is going to surpass Madara, implying he hasn't) and 100% Kurama is more or less comparable to Madara's PS. This means that 100% Kurama would have to be >10x stronger than 50% Kurama.
3. SM Alive Hashirama now hilariously demolishes Juubito.
Like imagine this scaling
2nd form Juubi (98 TT) = 50% Kurama = KCM2 Naruto < BSM Naruto, EMS Sasuke's PS (980 TT) < Madara's PS, Base Hashirama Mokuton, 100% Kurama (980 TT) < Juubito (1960 TT) < Alive SM Hashirama (9800 TT)
Hashirama is stated to be revived at close to his original power, meaning Edo SM Hashirama is at least 4900 TT.
Doesn't work, we would have to overhaul everything.
There will be, this weekend in fact, like I already said there wouldthought there was gonna be a stat revision