Naruto Part 1 Speed Calcs & Ratings

[Damage3245]

I suppose but then what would be the point of them using shunshin...

No idea. Rule of Cool perhaps. Or because Kishi doesn't think like us in terms of characters being Massively Hypersonic, even in the first ten chapters of the series.

@TheFinalOrder; a translation of the raws from their statement in the manga.

Also, using a speed from a different calc for the Sasuke feat would be calc-stacking.

 

[AstralKing7]

...Kishi has mftl characters in the first 10 chapters of Samurwi 8.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

No idea. Rule of Cool perhaps. Or because Kishi doesn't think like us in terms of characters being Massively Hypersonic, even in the first ten chapters of the series.

@TheFinalOrder; a translation of the raws from their statement in the manga.

Also, using a speed from a different calc for the Sasuke feat would be calc-stacking.

It's not about using a different calc. Through feats alone this is invalid, even without a calc. And can you link me to the translation stuff.

 

[Damage3245]

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Kanji = ÕÉøÒü«µèÇÒüîÚ½ÿÚǃÒü¬Òéë Òâ£Òé»ÚüöÒü«µèÇÒü»Úƒ│ÚǃÒüá

Translation = "If your technique is fast, our technique is the speed of sound"

 

[TheFinalOrder]

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Kanji = ÕÉøÒü«µèÇÒüîÚ½ÿÚǃÒü¬Òéë Òâ£Òé»ÚüöÒü«µèÇÒü»Úƒ│ÚǃÒüá

Translation = "If your technique is fast, our technique is the speed of sound"

Zaku sites "Ultrasonic", which is still "Supersonic".

Raw Sca

So, eithervway, the Sasuke calc is invalid.

 

[AstralKing7]

Databook is what we were talking about not manga statement

 

[Damage3245]

@AstralKing7; if you could post the raw databook image and the translation for it, I'd appreciate it.

@The Final Order; I'm just double-checking that.

EDIT: Fair enough, I've updated Sasuke's calc to take that into account.

 

[AstralKing7]

Couldn't find the raw Databook of it because I don't know where to go for it but I found where the viz translations have it as supersonic so basically ultrasonic confirmed. Sasuke dodged this and had enough time to save Sakura put her down and get behind Zaku

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Damage already calc'd it again using ultrasonic. It came out to mach 2.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

@Damage

The Sasuke Calc is still invalid, bro.

• Team Dosu physically scales to Mach 1.19 Naruto

Thus, his attack is, by virtue of Context/Implication < Mach 1.19, not Mach 1.09 (377 m/s). Your Naruto calc debunks your Sasuke Calc, without calc stacking, just by scaling.

Edit: But sure, "At Least Mach 2+, Likely Higher" is fair if not, "Unknown".

 

[TheFinalOrder]

Damage already calc'd it again using ultrasonic. It came out to mach 2.

Actually, "Ultrasonic", is at least Mach 1.253+ (429+ m/s) in this case.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Japanese Ultrasonic is not English Ultrasonic.

It's literally supersonic.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

Japanese Ultrasonic is not English Ultrasonic.
It's literally supersonic.

.....what?

 

[Damage3245]

@TFO, you haven't actually demonstrated how it is wrong. Is it stated that Zaku is incapable of travelling faster than his jutsu?

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Japanese Ultrasonic is not English Ultrasonic.
It's literally supersonic.

.....what?

I said what I said, what's hard to understand? It means supersonic.

 

[Omimi]

@Omimi; the the top tier Genin don't scale directly to Rock Lee when he has the Gates active, do they?
Stop focusing on the Kakashi & Guy calcs. They're not the important ones here.

chunin arc sasuke >base lee> Mach 20.825 (Hypersonic+)

i had to focus on that cuz u are using them to support your Supersonic consistency

 

[TheFinalOrder]

@TFO, you haven't actually demonstrated how it is wrong. Is it stated that Zaku is incapable of travelling faster than his jutsu?

I've literally explained how it's wrong and it's Implied the Ninjutsu is faster, it's not outright stated Zaku is incapable of moving faster than the Jutsu.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

Japanese Ultrasonic is not English Ultrasonic.
It's literally supersonic.

.....what?

I said what I said, what's hard to understand? It means supersonic.

No, I get that, it's just...I really dislike (In situations like these) when other languages have the same words but they represent different things.

 

[Damage3245]

@TFO, the calc still looks good enough to me for use. It's just more support that Sasuke, prior to his month of training with Kakashi, was Supersonic.

Nothing in the scaling is actually broken.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

@TFO, the calc still looks good enough to me for use. It's just more support that Sasuke, prior to his month of training with Kakashi, was Supersonic.
Nothing in the scaling is actually broken.

Should still be noted to be "At Least" and "Likely Higher" given the variables.

 

[Damage3245]

I'm currently writing up the list of proposed changes for every profile.

On Naruto's Sasuke Retrieval Arc key, it says this: High Hypersonic (Comparable to Temari)

Does anyone know which chapter this comes from?

 

[Jvando]

If anything, he should be High Hypersonic scaling from Sasuke who would scale > Lee...that's a discussion to be had also. Does this Sasuke scale to Base Lee without weights or fist gate lee?

Regardless, why would Naruto scale from Temari?

These Naruto profiles...smh

 

[AstralKing7]

He fought kimimaru and Sasuke who both are high Hypersonic. Haven't seen Kimis profile lately but pretty sure kimi is high Hypersonic last I checked

 

[Damage3245]

@Jvando; tell me about it. That's why I've been meaning to revise early Naruto for a while.

Sasuke at this point, (without Curse Marks) scales to Rock Lee without his weights (Hypersonic+).

Sasuke with Curse Marks would be At least Hypersonic+, I believe.

 

[AstralKing7]

The reasoning just needs to be worded better

 

[AstralKing7]

Base Sasuke is stronger than when he was in chunin exams stated that the curse mark started changing his body and adapting it.

 

[Jvando]

@Jvando; tell me about it. That's why I've been meaning to revise early Naruto for a while.

Sasuke at this point, (without Curse Marks) scales to Rock Lee without his weights (Hypersonic+).

Sasuke with Curse Marks would be At least Hypersonic+, I believe.

I agree...with all three statements

On that note, do any genin from part 1 scale to Lee with his Gates? Obviously, we know the Jonin and above scale.

 

[Damage3245]

@Jvando; as far as I can recall, no Genin from Part 1 scales to Lee with his Gates.

 

[AstralKing7]

Naw I don't think any ninja scales to Rock Lee with the Gates. He completely took speed blitz to a whole new level. No one in their class showed speed of that level but probably KN1 Naruto when he fought Sasuke but that's debatable tho

 

[Jvando]

Sad day.

- Lee:

• Hypersonic+ and
• at least MHS with Gate 1 and above

- Sasuke:

• Land of waves/beginning of Chunin exams: Supersonic?
• Chunin Exams: Hypersonic+ (Against Gaara?)

- Naruto:

• Land of Waves: Supersonic
• Chunin exams: Hypersonic+ (Could react and fight against Neji)?

- Gaara:

• at least Hypersonic+ with automatic defense,
• Hypersonic normally? (should scale above Temari)?

- Temari:

• Hypersonic,
• Hypersonic+ with fan?

- Neji: Hypersonic+ (Beat Lee in every spar?) - The other genin: Supersonic?

I forget a lot of the specifics so correct me if I'm wrong

 

[Damage3245]

@Jvando; did Neji beat Rock Lee while he was without his weights?

 

[Jvando]

@Jvando; did Neji beat Rock Lee while he was without his weights?

I'm not sure that was ever implied. Let me check and see but from what I remember, nothing was stated about wether Lee used his Weights or not.

 

[AstralKing7]

On the contrary Neji has Hypersonic perception. He was able to read all of Lees moves without the weights and I think even the gates speed as well

 

[AstralKing7]

Btw the other genin would still be Hypersonic guys. Let's not forget they all fought the sound 4. Sound 4 all literally scale above CM1 Sasuke with ease.

So

Kiba Choji Shikamaru Naruto Neji Would all still scale anyway

So Sasuke is actually still the reason why the Retrieval arc genin are all still scaling.

 

[Jvando]

On the contrary Neji has Hypersonic perception. He was able to read all of Lees moves without the weights and I think even the gates speed as well

FALSE.




Neji would actually have MHS percption as he was able to read and keep track of Lee's movements while said individual had opened the 4th and 5th gates. You can also see that he was straining to do so a bit from the sweat on his head...that might also be from him being a bit nervous after seeing Lee go off like a boss.

This is also supported by when Lee stated how he was saving that move for Neji meaning that according to Lee, Neji was already > than him. I think we can take his word since they had been teammates for a while at that time and had sparred more than likely a few times

 

[Damage3245]

@AstralKing7; if that's the case then some of their profiles really are outdated. Shikamaru's doesn't say anything about scaling to Tayuya for example.

@Jvando; so you think we should put Neji's speed as Likely Hypersonic+ for the Chunin Exams arc?

 

[Jvando]

@Jvando; so you think we should put Neji's speed as Likely Hypersonic+ for the Chunin Exams arc?

Yeah, with higher perception via the Byakuyan.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

Wait, which Sasuke are you all referring to btw? Pre or Post Training with Kakashi?

 

[TheFinalOrder]

FoD CM Sasuke doesn't scale to Lee.

 

[Damage3245]

@TheFinalOrder; I was referring to Post-Training Sasuke.