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Now I know some of us here are more than at their limit with dealing with Naruto threads. And that we have debated this topic a number of times in the past. That being said, some new evidence for this topic has recently come to light that I am very certain has never been actually addressed here before. I have had my suspicions about this for some time, but now i'd like to address this after looking into this myself.
PLEASE. READ. EVERYTHING. I know my thread may be somewhat long and detailed, and some of you wont really feel up to scouring through the entire post, but I ask you to please read every point as it'll be crucial to understand what my proposals are. Also, for the people who will agree with my proposals, I ask that you please Kudos my post so that way it'll be easier to determine who agrees and who doesnt. Now lets begin.
What The Current Standards We Have Are
So currently, we treat the Moon in the Naruto Universe as a moon that is partially hollowed out because of Hamura Ōtsutsuki and the branch family of the Otsutsuki Clan migrating to the Moon in order to keep watch over the sealed away Gedo Statue. And because they are migrating to the Moon to live within it's interior, the Moon has an inner environment. To get a refresher about this, you can go to the Moon's page on the Naruto wikia.
Basically, because of the Otsutsuki Clan migrating into the Moons interior, the Moon in the Naruto Universe is believed to be hollowed out to the extent that we currently treat it as and acccept for feats (mostly involving Toneri). However, when doing some re-looking into this, this standard....is not exactly true.
The Moon Is Not Actually Hollow
As the title says. Again, yes, we are doing this once more. We've had a number of discussions on whether or not we should consider the moon full, hollow, and if hollow by how much, etc. But with the new/never brought up evidence that I've looked into and gathered, we need to have this discussion again.
Now, there is no question that the moon in the Naruto Universe has an interior. That much we know. However, "interior" in this context is not what people should currently see it as. My proposal is that the interior of the moon is...not actually literally inside of the moon, as in directly under the moons surface. Instead, the interior of the moon is actually inside of a pocket dimension that just lies inside the moon as like a spatial distortion. And there is a good amount of evidence that would prove this notion to be the case. This was the only vid on Youtube I found that has the full subbed movie . It's a reaction vid as they are watching the movie, but it will do the trick here. The evidence and timeframes are as followed:
The Moon's Diagram
14:20. As the Kage's discuss the situation of Toneri moving the moon closer to Earth, a diagram of the moon itself is shown before the Kage and what would happen if the Moon was to completely come apart and destroy Earth. Notice how, in this diagram, the environment that the Otsutsuki Clan lived in while living on the Moon is not shown in this diagram in any way. Only the full remnants of the moon are displayed. This would already show that the environment isnt literally physically inside of the moon.
Hinatas Byakugan is Distorted
26:20. Hinata uses her Byakugan to help Naruto's squad locate a cave that has a special spring at the bottom of it (I'll get to this in a minute). When they get to this spring, Shikamaru asks Hinata what she is able to see at the bottom of the spring, and she responds that her Byakugan's vision is being distorted when she tries looking inside of it.
It needs to be remembered that not only is this spring that they enter is a portal between the earth and the moon, but this spring is also a pocket dimension in itself as well where it leaves victims who travel within it inside a genjutsu world of memories and this space has a gatekeeper to prevent unwanted visitors from coming to the moon (that would be the giant crab that Sakura beat). This is actually where the Genjutsu Ball Trap technique occurs. And here's a scan of what part of this space looks like to prove even more that it is a pocket dimension that can be physically traveled in:
The Oceans and Skies "within" the Moo
38:45. After leaving the spring, and getting onto the moon, Shikamaru immediately becomes confused by seeing the oceans and skies "inside" of the moon, asking "What is this place?". Following that, Naruto asks if the island they see in the sky is floating, and Shikamaru responds with "No. The surface of the ocean is warped".
Another thing that should be kept in mind is that, when looking at the skies, we never see anything like the Moons interior or whatnot being as some kind of dome in the atmosphere. We see an actual sky with clouds floating.
The Bridge Dimension between Earth and the Moo
Finally, the portal between the earth and the moon being a pocket dimension on its own should support the environment "inside" the moon being in its own pocket dimension as well. Why? Because the portal being a pocket space is explicit evidence of the Otsutsuki Clan having pocket dimension creating abilities. This point needs some more explanation for you to understand, so i'll explain in more detail.
While it is true that Hamura and the Otsutsuki Clan's branch family are responsible for the creation of the environment that they lived in when migrating to the moon, there isnt any actual real evidence that says the Otsutsuki literally hollowed out the moon's interior insides and filled it with such large scale things like landscapes, mountains, oceans, clouds and....oh yeah, a sky.
Meanwhile, evidence tells us that the Otsutsuki Clans environment is, or simply can easily be, a pocket space that they are more than capable of creating for themselves without actually needing to make the moon physically hollow. And this evidence comes from the existence of the bridge dimension that acts as a portal between the earth and the moon. After all, the portal between the earth and moon is located in a cave on earth itself, so that would mean Hamura and his clan had to have created this portal in order to reach the moon in the first place. Otherwise, there would be 0 need for it's existence. And as proven already, the portal is in fact it's own pocket dimension.
So by creating this portal and it's space, the Otsutsuki Clan with Hamura would already posess pocket space creating abilities, making it a smaller leap in logic to simply say the clan made a pocket space to reside in as opposed to the bigger leap in logic by saying they spent a longer amount of time, years and years if anything, to hollow out part of the moon.
Addressing a likely Rebutal to this
Given the topic, and because I can kind of see where this will immediately go from those who will disagree, im going to counter some of the arguments I feel will come up in an attempt to reject this proposal. Which, for now, is only like 1.
Rebuttal: "Toneri blasted holes in/sliced open the moon, therefore the inside isnt a pocket dimension"
Response: This point may be the only actual debatable contradiction that the opposition would be able to use to argue against this. And even then it's still wrong.
Yes, Toneri in the movie did blast holes in the moon to connect the inside of it's interior with the outside, and did the samething when he used GWRE to split the moon in 2. However, something needs to be remembered here. This is the same Toneri who, in base form, was able to dispel space-time distortions. And this is the same verse where someone, someone even much weaker than Toneri, is able to use sheer power in order to warp space (Guy's Night Guy says hello). It should be extremely reasonable to say Toneri's actual attacks would be able to warp and blast through the space of a pocket dimension, which would explain why holes in the moon can lead to the outside. It doesnt mean the inside is literally in the inside of the moon's interior itself, but that Toneri can shoot attacks that open holes in space. This point is also especially glaring since Toneri is literally the only person in the entire movie whos is able to blast open holes in the moon, which would give this notion more support.
That should do it for now.
Conclusion
Based on everything I found and presented, the moon in the Naruto Universe being hollow is either debatable, very unlikely, or just flat out wrong. So lets discuss this again.
PLEASE. READ. EVERYTHING. I know my thread may be somewhat long and detailed, and some of you wont really feel up to scouring through the entire post, but I ask you to please read every point as it'll be crucial to understand what my proposals are. Also, for the people who will agree with my proposals, I ask that you please Kudos my post so that way it'll be easier to determine who agrees and who doesnt. Now lets begin.
What The Current Standards We Have Are
So currently, we treat the Moon in the Naruto Universe as a moon that is partially hollowed out because of Hamura Ōtsutsuki and the branch family of the Otsutsuki Clan migrating to the Moon in order to keep watch over the sealed away Gedo Statue. And because they are migrating to the Moon to live within it's interior, the Moon has an inner environment. To get a refresher about this, you can go to the Moon's page on the Naruto wikia.
Basically, because of the Otsutsuki Clan migrating into the Moons interior, the Moon in the Naruto Universe is believed to be hollowed out to the extent that we currently treat it as and acccept for feats (mostly involving Toneri). However, when doing some re-looking into this, this standard....is not exactly true.
The Moon Is Not Actually Hollow
As the title says. Again, yes, we are doing this once more. We've had a number of discussions on whether or not we should consider the moon full, hollow, and if hollow by how much, etc. But with the new/never brought up evidence that I've looked into and gathered, we need to have this discussion again.
Now, there is no question that the moon in the Naruto Universe has an interior. That much we know. However, "interior" in this context is not what people should currently see it as. My proposal is that the interior of the moon is...not actually literally inside of the moon, as in directly under the moons surface. Instead, the interior of the moon is actually inside of a pocket dimension that just lies inside the moon as like a spatial distortion. And there is a good amount of evidence that would prove this notion to be the case. This was the only vid on Youtube I found that has the full subbed movie . It's a reaction vid as they are watching the movie, but it will do the trick here. The evidence and timeframes are as followed:
The Moon's Diagram
14:20. As the Kage's discuss the situation of Toneri moving the moon closer to Earth, a diagram of the moon itself is shown before the Kage and what would happen if the Moon was to completely come apart and destroy Earth. Notice how, in this diagram, the environment that the Otsutsuki Clan lived in while living on the Moon is not shown in this diagram in any way. Only the full remnants of the moon are displayed. This would already show that the environment isnt literally physically inside of the moon.
Hinatas Byakugan is Distorted
26:20. Hinata uses her Byakugan to help Naruto's squad locate a cave that has a special spring at the bottom of it (I'll get to this in a minute). When they get to this spring, Shikamaru asks Hinata what she is able to see at the bottom of the spring, and she responds that her Byakugan's vision is being distorted when she tries looking inside of it.
It needs to be remembered that not only is this spring that they enter is a portal between the earth and the moon, but this spring is also a pocket dimension in itself as well where it leaves victims who travel within it inside a genjutsu world of memories and this space has a gatekeeper to prevent unwanted visitors from coming to the moon (that would be the giant crab that Sakura beat). This is actually where the Genjutsu Ball Trap technique occurs. And here's a scan of what part of this space looks like to prove even more that it is a pocket dimension that can be physically traveled in:
The Oceans and Skies "within" the Moo
38:45. After leaving the spring, and getting onto the moon, Shikamaru immediately becomes confused by seeing the oceans and skies "inside" of the moon, asking "What is this place?". Following that, Naruto asks if the island they see in the sky is floating, and Shikamaru responds with "No. The surface of the ocean is warped".
Another thing that should be kept in mind is that, when looking at the skies, we never see anything like the Moons interior or whatnot being as some kind of dome in the atmosphere. We see an actual sky with clouds floating.
The Bridge Dimension between Earth and the Moo
Finally, the portal between the earth and the moon being a pocket dimension on its own should support the environment "inside" the moon being in its own pocket dimension as well. Why? Because the portal being a pocket space is explicit evidence of the Otsutsuki Clan having pocket dimension creating abilities. This point needs some more explanation for you to understand, so i'll explain in more detail.
While it is true that Hamura and the Otsutsuki Clan's branch family are responsible for the creation of the environment that they lived in when migrating to the moon, there isnt any actual real evidence that says the Otsutsuki literally hollowed out the moon's interior insides and filled it with such large scale things like landscapes, mountains, oceans, clouds and....oh yeah, a sky.
Meanwhile, evidence tells us that the Otsutsuki Clans environment is, or simply can easily be, a pocket space that they are more than capable of creating for themselves without actually needing to make the moon physically hollow. And this evidence comes from the existence of the bridge dimension that acts as a portal between the earth and the moon. After all, the portal between the earth and moon is located in a cave on earth itself, so that would mean Hamura and his clan had to have created this portal in order to reach the moon in the first place. Otherwise, there would be 0 need for it's existence. And as proven already, the portal is in fact it's own pocket dimension.
So by creating this portal and it's space, the Otsutsuki Clan with Hamura would already posess pocket space creating abilities, making it a smaller leap in logic to simply say the clan made a pocket space to reside in as opposed to the bigger leap in logic by saying they spent a longer amount of time, years and years if anything, to hollow out part of the moon.
Addressing a likely Rebutal to this
Given the topic, and because I can kind of see where this will immediately go from those who will disagree, im going to counter some of the arguments I feel will come up in an attempt to reject this proposal. Which, for now, is only like 1.
Rebuttal: "Toneri blasted holes in/sliced open the moon, therefore the inside isnt a pocket dimension"
Response: This point may be the only actual debatable contradiction that the opposition would be able to use to argue against this. And even then it's still wrong.
Yes, Toneri in the movie did blast holes in the moon to connect the inside of it's interior with the outside, and did the samething when he used GWRE to split the moon in 2. However, something needs to be remembered here. This is the same Toneri who, in base form, was able to dispel space-time distortions. And this is the same verse where someone, someone even much weaker than Toneri, is able to use sheer power in order to warp space (Guy's Night Guy says hello). It should be extremely reasonable to say Toneri's actual attacks would be able to warp and blast through the space of a pocket dimension, which would explain why holes in the moon can lead to the outside. It doesnt mean the inside is literally in the inside of the moon's interior itself, but that Toneri can shoot attacks that open holes in space. This point is also especially glaring since Toneri is literally the only person in the entire movie whos is able to blast open holes in the moon, which would give this notion more support.
That should do it for now.
Conclusion
Based on everything I found and presented, the moon in the Naruto Universe being hollow is either debatable, very unlikely, or just flat out wrong. So lets discuss this again.
