Naga (Bakugan) vs Beerus

[The_real_cal_howard]

I might have to go with Naga, simply because the reasoning for it(?) to win is better.

 

[AllanSaiyan]

Isn't Niga reality warping not useful in combat?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

apprently it says that tho I have no idea why

 

[GimmyJibbsJr]

Oh yea didnt Naga give Masquarade the doom cards?

He did. Naga crafted all of the Doom Cards even before fully absorbing the Silent Core. So making these portals wouldn't be hard for him at all, really.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Oh yea didnt Naga give Masquarade the doom cards?

He did. Naga crafted all of the Doom Cards even before fully absorbing the Silent Core. So making these portals wouldn't be hard for him at all, really.

If thats the case then BFR or something should be added to his profile

And as for this fight, yea Naga could just BFR Beerus into the Doom Dimension and Beerus would have no escape route out of that, especially when Naga's been to the Doom Dimension himself.

Yea Naga has more ways to win here then Beerus.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

beerus dose have a why out throu power skailling he could scrim and open a demnshinal rift out of there.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Sigh. This was discussed to death. Beerus does not know the Vice Shout. No one other than Buu and Gotenks can use the Vice Shout.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Sigh. This was discussed to death. Beerus does not know the Vice Shout. No one other than Buu and Gotenks can use the Vice Shout.

i thout it was just screeming really really luad

 

[AllanSaiyan]

Real cal is right and even if there was a possibility that Beerus could use it, we can't just assume without showing Proof.

There aren't any proof to that.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

besides naga has never used that on someone in combat why should we assum he would here?

 

[AllanSaiyan]

besides naga has never used that on someone in combat why should we assum he would here?

Bloodlusted means they will do ANYTHING to win.

Edit: If you want to read more aboutbloodlust here.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Also even if Beerus could escape Naga could just BFR him again with more and more Doom Cards and everytime someone is sent to the Doom Dimension he gains their power and grows even stronger. Plus IIRC the Doom Dimension is a different space-time (tho im not for sure) and Beerus definitely cant travel between space-times without Whis. The only ones who i think could freely go between the Doom Dimension and other worlds were the Six legendary guardian bakugan. Tho NLFish, it points more against Beerus then it does for him.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

besides naga has never used that on someone in combat why should we assum he would here?

Bloodlusted means they will do ANYTHING to win.

but do we know if he can do that? and how would he get beerus throw the rift?

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Also even if Beerus could escape Naga could just BFR him again with more and more Doom Cards and everytime someone is sent to the Doom Dimension he gains their power and grows even stronger. Plus IIRC the Doom Dimension is a different space-time (tho im not for sure) and Beerus definitely cant travel between space-times without Whis. The only ones who i think could freely go between the Doom Dimension and other worlds were the Six legendary guardian bakugan. Tho NLFish, it points more against Beerus then it does for him.

but you need too loss for the doom card too take you

 

[AllanSaiyan]

Darkmon cns wrote;
but do we know if he can do that? and how would he get beerus throw the rift?

Not arguing for any side just stating what a characters can do when bloodlusted.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Darkmon cns wrote;
but do we know if he can do that? and how would he get beerus throw the rift?

Not arguing for any side just stating what a characters can do when bloodlusted.

ok but what most peapil here dont reiali is that beerus has the avantig in power and durabulty naga is one univeres well beerus is over 5 as he is stronger then SSBKKX10 goku

 

[GimmyJibbsJr]

ok but what most peapil here dont reiali is that beerus has the avantig in power and durabulty naga is one univeres well beerus is over 5 as he is stronger then SSBKKX10 goku

Silent Naga actually managed to manipulate 3 universes at once with little effort.

And how is Beerus able to suddenly bust 5 universes by being superior to Goku's strongest form? Was it stated somewhere that they could, or...?

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Silent Naga actually managed to manipulate 3 universes at once with little effort.

And how is Beerus able to suddenly bust 5 universes by being superior to Goku's strongest form? Was it stated somewhere that they could, or...?

No it was two at most and manipulating does not equal destroying Goku could destroy approximately half the universe Sesame his clash with beerurs nearly destroyed the universe and Kaioken X 10 is a 10 times multiplier Goku would be able to destroy five Universes beerus still stronger than Goku with Kaioke X 10 so he should be able to destroy 5 universes

 

[GimmyJibbsJr]

No it was two at most and manipulating does not equal destroying Goku could destroy approximately half the universe Sesame his clash with beerurs nearly destroyed the universe and Kaioken X 10 is a 10 times multiplier Goku would be able to destroy five Universes beerus still stronger than Goku with Kaioke X 10 so he should be able to destroy 5 universes

To be fair, Naga was casually going to make two universe collapse on each other, and was kinda unintentional ripping into another universe and dumping a bunch of Bakugan there. To say that he is at his max with two is most likely not true and is likely higher. The reason why wehaven't put anything in Naga's profile indicating such thiungs is because we are still editing his profile and finding new feats, while trying to quantify them as best we can in order to make swift updates.

And also, I don't know if this really adds up the way you are presenting it. If this were legit, wouldn't Beerus and Goku be rated as "High 3-A" instead of just "3-A", or something like that? And also, I'm not sure if something like this was even accepted. If it was, can you link it to me to prove that it was accepted?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Even without the Bloodlust do you even know Naga's character? Naga may not be the most strategic being around but he's a ruthless tyranical bakugan who will do anything, even kill his own sister in order to get what he wants most. He's not afraid to do something he normally wouldnt do himself. To be honest if he didnt trap himself inside the Silent Core he'd most likely go around and defeat Bakugan and send them to the doom dimension himself, not needing to use Masqurade or Hal G to do it himself.

Also even if manipulating the universes doesnt mean destroying it should be implied Naga could destroy them whenever since well, he wanted to rule them. Why would he destroy the things he was aiming to rule over since day 1?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I wont be able to reply until later afternoon so bare with me please i'll be back ASAP xD

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

ummm what's the vote? I lost count...

 

[Darkmon_cns]

To be fair, Naga was casually going to make two universe collapse on each other, and was kinda unintentional ripping into another universe and dumping a bunch of Bakugan there. To say that he is at his max with two is most likely not true and is likely higher. The reason why wehaven't put anything in Naga's profile indicating such thiungs is because we are still editing his profile and finding new feats, while trying to quantify them as best we can in order to make swift updates.

And also, I don't know if this really adds up the way you are presenting it. If this were legit, wouldn't Beerus and Goku be rated as "High 3-A" instead of just "3-A", or something like that? And also, I'm not sure if something like this was even accepted. If it was, can you link it to me to prove that it was accepted?

I was just useing math I have seen some others mention it before on a Goku debate but if it was or not.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

I just thought of another thing if he's trying to get the title of God of destruction wouldn't he have to beat beerus and not send him somewhere else?

 

[GimmyJibbsJr]

I just thought of another thing if he's trying to get the title of God of destruction wouldn't he have to beat beerus and not send him somewhere else?

I don't know if BFR would be allowed in this fight, as I often see people say it shouldn't count towards aa verdict. Even then, if we were to go strictly by the Doom Cards, then Naga would technically already have to defeat him in order to send him there.

Outside of that, he likely could just open a portal there, considering he could jump from Vestroia to the human Universe and all. But again, BFR is usually not considered in these types of fights I guess, so it's not like that matters too much here.


Anyway, so far the vote goes something like this...

Beerus: 4

Naga: 5

Inconclusive: 0


At this rate, we're gonna need more people in here.

 

[BruceTheBatman]

Isn't Niga reality warping not useful in combat?

Yeah. But it doesn't change a thing. They're AP is about equal, but I'm giving this to Naga with mid diff since he's much smarter than Beerus, has superior techniques, and he's a more skilled fighter. Plus he can survive more grievous injuries than Beerus, which helps him in the long run.

 

[BruceTheBatman]

his energy nullification only works on weaker beings.

The same applies to Beerus. Their AP is about equal, so I think it cancels out, more or less.

 

[BruceTheBatman]

Beerus is not 10X universal. He would've died from the universe collapsing (so would Whis) and he was just opening his range to shake the universe for melodrama. Just because he nullified an attack that could kill him means nothing since Naga can do the same. Additionally, shaking a cookie crumbles it, but that isn't the same as putting a grenade into it.


Anyway, Going Naga with mid-diff as he matches or outclasses Beerus in every way.


Also, I edited the topics

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Beerus is not 10X universal. He would've died from the universe collapsing (so would Whis) and he was just opening his range to shake the universe for melodrama. Just because he nullified an attack that could kill him means nothing since Naga can do the same. Additionally, shaking a cookie crumbles it, but that isn't the same as putting a grenade into it.


Anyway, Going Naga with mid-diff as he matches or outclasses Beerus in every way.


Also, I edited the topics

He is supposed to still be stronger than Kaio Ken times 10 Goku so he can destroy more then one univeres. And him dieing could of just been because of his connection too the Supreme Kai so yes he can survive Universe busting.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

And you saying he was purposely shaking the universe to add drama makes absolutely no sense and has nothing backing it.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

That was before the connection was established. You're giving speculation.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Me?

 

[Ryukama]

Just because the God of Destruction and Supreme Kai being bound together wasn't introduced at the time doesn't mean that isn't a reasonable explanation as to why he would've died.

And even so Beerus not being durable enough to suvive a universal attack has shown to be false. With his clash with Champa and the fact that he can stomp people that are 3-A.

But yes, currently there is not enough to suggest that Beerus can destroy multiple universes, or that he is 10x other Universe busters.

 

[BruceTheBatman]

He is supposed to still be stronger than Kaio Ken times 10 Goku so he can destroy more then one univeres. And him dieing could of just been because of his connection too the Supreme Kai so yes he can survive Universe busting.

No he can't. Shaking a universe to the point of crumbling is like me shaking a chocolate cookie. The universe being destroyed outright is much, much, MUCH different from being shaken apart.

 

[BruceTheBatman]

@Ryu

Yeah it is. If the universe crumbled they would die. They also mentioned Goku who at the time was shown as somewhat comparable to Beerus, who would've died at well.

His clash with Champa was gradually destroying the universe. Also, being 10x superior to a 3-B character doesn't make you 3-A by any stretch.

Agreed.

 

[BruceTheBatman]

And you saying he was purposely shaking the universe to add drama makes absolutely no sense and has nothing backing it.

He did so to put on a show. He said this himself IICR.

 

[Ryukama]

No he can't. Shaking a universe to the point of crumbling is like me shaking a chocolate cookie. The universe being destroyed outright is much, much, MUCH different from being shaken apart.

It was stated multiple times throughout the episode including by the narrator that the universe was going to be destroyed. And nothing says they were just violently shaking it to the point of it crumbling, which even then, you obviously cannot quite compare a cookie with the universe.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

No he can't. Shaking a universe to the point of crumbling is like me shaking a chocolate cookie. The universe being destroyed outright is much, much, MUCH different from being shaken apart.

No it's not because it was specifically said there would be no matter left it would be the equivalent of shaking the cookie to the point of nonexistence.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I never said Beerus couldn't survive a universal attack, @Ryu. Doing that would be downplaying. I'm just saying he couldn't survive a universal collapse.

 

[BruceTheBatman]

@Ryu They wondered if it was going to be. They said the universe would crumble soooooooo, yeah.

Of course, but it's an analogy. It's not supposed to be perfectly similar.