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Mythology profiles in general

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Idk, I'm just against nuking every single mythological profile and banning em. While some are flimsy and may warant deletion, that obviously can't be the case for everything. A good handful of Greek heroes have solid feats that are explicit that can be used for example and if I'm not wrong, there's an actual "canon" per say written by a specific dude. At least for the most common telling of it. Probably the same with some Norse heroes and Japanese yokai.

If some profiles are bad then axe it, but banning is something that is ludicrous.
 
The problematic nature of this idea that Mythology profiles are allowed leads a problem that these weren't made by a single person one day and published, they're made by throwing interpretations on top of one another and then us pretending they're cohesive.

I honestly don't even know why we list them, they're poorly maintained anyways and have shit tier reasoning to stay.

Controversy wasn't the only reason religion profiles aren't allowed. I can say Jesus is tier 0 and under no reason whatsoever you can cohesively disagree with that notion, it doesn't matter if I said it in the past, either.

I'm honestly in the favour of removing them, at least you can argue folkore is one narrative, you can't even do that here
 
>leads a problem that these weren't made by a single person one day and published, they're made by throwing interpretations on top of one another and then us pretending they're cohesive.

That's basically DC and Marvel dude.
 
> A good handful of Greek heroes have solid feats that are explicit that can be used for example and if I'm not wrong, there's an actual "canon" per say written by a specific dude

This is my main problem with a lot of them. Neither Hesiod nor Homer can speak for the totality of Greek mythology as there were other authors and groups with differing views that are all equally as credible as each other. The feat we currently scale Hercules to has like three different versions to it, the Underworld has two or three different locations to it in myth etc. There's no canon to follow in most of these and what little canon exists is riddled with metaphors and subject to massively differing interpretations.
 
Then just pick one version and just go Hercules (Author name here). It's not like we don't do that all the time anyway.
 
Chariot190 said:
>leads a problem that these weren't made by a single person one day and published, they're made by throwing interpretations on top of one another and then us pretending they're cohesive.
That's basically DC and Marvel dude.
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Its DC and Marvel. Even if you could make a good argument for deleting them, good luck with that shit-show.
 
>Mate, do you know on how much thin ice DC and Marvel are?

Not thin enough we're banning em as a whole. Banning is a absolute last resort.
 
Not really, this is a pretty blatant exaggeration. Some things in mythology and religion are subjective but not everything is. You can't really equate it as being the same for everyone.

Also.

"Okay then Jesus being country level because he only scales above Satan who can destroy isreal isnt up to interpretation then. God is Low 2-C via timeline shenanigans too. Mhmm."

You took what he said and ignored the point. He said not everything within mythology is subjective, not that nothing is. This response completely misinterprets what's trying to be said.
 
Gonna drop my two cents into the discussion since I actuallu study the underworld in greek mytholgy for an academic work (haven't finsihed it so take my opinions with a grain of salt):

Mytholgy being inconsistent is somewhat true, it really depends on what aspect you looking

The underworld for example in Greek mytholgy on the surface has a ton of contrdictions but researchers of it do try to create a defintive version of it, ofc people disagree but that's due to the different angles one can anaylze those stories

So if we wanted we could try look at common themes in the various stories and see what's consistent with them but like that'd require academic work which I doubt anyone besides me on the wiki would care enough to do and I'm ocuupied rn so yah
 
We can split authors, yes, that's the only acceptable treatment

Also dude, just FYI, I still have to be a DC and Marvel writer officially hired to be able to make DC and Marvel lore.

There is nothing in the world that prevents me from making up myths, and if you say I do, you're opening up a Pandora's Box of political controversy that will get Mythology nuked anyways
 
Chariot190 said:
>Mate, do you know on how much thin ice DC and Marvel are?

Not thin enough we're banning em as a whole. Banning is a absolute last resort.
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You'd be surprised as to how wrong you are there lol, only reason they're around is because the wiki will implode if they are nuked.
 
>Its DC and Marvel. Even if you could make a good argument for deleting them, good luck with that shit-show.

Exactly, why the double standards? It's basically the same, the point applies to both, yet we're gonna say one is ok because it's famous? Didn't Comp Link just get yeeted despite it's popularity? I'm fine with nuking mythology, as long as everything on the same boat is nuked as well. Tbh I don't even care that much about mythology I just think banning an entire thing is absolutely not how we solve this and us jumping the gun way to early.
 
Dc and Marvel have all of the different people's interpretation written and drawn down, they can be observed for what is actually the most common, said different interpretations only came to be after a person got the right to add to the stories by the holder of the copyright, and even then they are asked to keep some semblance of consistency. They fail, but they try.

Myths are just word to word stories, and the more interesting ones just happened to stick around and make more stories based on them.

While dodgy, dc and marvel have a much stronger argument due to copyright alone.
 
>You'd be surprised as to how wrong you are.

Yet instead of resorting to be nuked, the profiles are trying to be salvaged instead. Notice how nuking isn't the immediate go to?

>We can split authors, yes, that's the only acceptable treatment

That should be fine, tbh that should be treated like that to begin with, especially with the no comp rule.
 
Chariot, can you please make a fanfic about tier 0 Superman and get that applied?

You can't? You could have for Hercules, which people in BC did. See the problem?
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Dc and Marvel have all of the different people's interpretation written and drawn down, they can be observed for what is actually the most common, said different interpretations only came to be after a person got the right to add to the stories by the holder of the copyright, and even then they are asked to keep some semblance of consistency. They fail, but they try.
Myths are just word to word stories, and the more interesting ones just happened to stick around and make more stories based on them.

While dodgy, dc and marvel have a much stronger argument due to copyright alone.
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Myth has various stuff written down tho, Homer and Hesoids aren't the only ones

Like when you use the word myth it doesn't just mean the word to word tales, what Homer wrote is also myth
 
Technically speaking, I can make a fic about 1-A Hercules and my story would have as much credibility as Hesiod's Theogony, what with no canonicity rules to speak of.
 
Other than massive false equilavencies, not really no. The mere fact you have to specify BC should say as much. They've had thousands of years to become their own thing, it's just as much a fanfic as Herc from Fate, yet both are legit versions as far as profiles go. If some dude in BC wrote a version of a bunch of characters and said versions had thousands of years to be accepted by society as a whole to the point said versions are taken and used in various media outright, well, clearly it's more than just a simple fanfic.
 
And did those writers talk it out, and agree on what can and can't stay. Did they read and make sure that they stay consistent with one another?

If not, then that doesn't really matter. There is plenty written fanfiction, and much of it is great, but that doesn't mean we can make profiles for that stuff.

At least with those authors, you can make a profile for each of their interpretation. But not a composite of all their writings.
 
@Chariot It's not some dude who made them, it's an entire feckin Civilization which made them
 
>Did they read and make sure that they stay consistent with one another

Probably not no. In fact I can guarantee no.

>At least with those authors, you can make a profile for each of their interpretation

That's kinda what I'm proposing, at least for Greek myth. Specify which author is being used like how we usually do, and then just use feats from that work.
 
Yeah but at that point you ask yourself, where does canon end and fanfic begin? There's no copyright on any of the characters, no single original author and setting with which later stories and their credibility can be compared and no established chronology of events. The father of a god in one telling can become their nephew in another, the location of the afterlife changes occasionally etc.

Edit: I think individual author profiles can work.
 
Planck69 said:
...the location of the afterlife changes occasionally etc.
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Literature researchers literally argue over that lol, it's not so black and white
 
So, like King Kong or Dracula? Or any public domain characters? This really ain't difficult to get around, pick an author, and just use his version of it. In the same way we aren't saying Castlevania Dracula is fanfiction but is treated as his own character.
 
@Tllmbrg

You get my point, internal consistency literally cannot exist in this form of literature when there's no rules regarding what is credible and what isn't.
 
Yeah I get it, which is why I composite versions should go while specific author versions could work.
 
So, everyone seems to be agreeing with making a profile for author's specifically, neat. (Now I don't need to think about why Ulysse doesn't have a key where he is a ghost in hell for Dante's Bible fanfic).
 
Just a reminder Greek/rome religion isn't even consistent in itself, you could get 2 people who fall under that religion and they can believe in different sets of Gods,tales etc

Honestly for myths based on those cultures they def need to get nuked
 
......So anyway, are we nuking Mythology and starting author profiles from scratch or?
 
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