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My wall of hax is bigger than yours ~ UKG vs. Lavos

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Kriemhild curses the multiverse and kills every clone.


probably.
 
Madoka deletes the concept of witches -> UKG survives as a non-existent being (She is described as a "void") -> Madoka erases her harder -> UKG is deleted and regens
 
Tbh "beyond conceptual nonexistence" is just a fancy way to say that the erasure was > standard conceptual erasure
 
Kaltias said:
Madoka deletes the concept of witches -> UKG survives as a non-existent being (She is described as a "void") -> Madoka erases her harder -> UKG is deleted and regens
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I would like to read PMMM but the scan is English...
 
@Schro

Erases someone already erased conceptually.

If you erase someone, but they survive as a non-existent being, you need erasure that is > previous erasure to erase them.

@Dodo

I mean the erasing happens in the main series.
 
I knew it. It was only a matter of time before this happened. I'm not even surprised.

So, should I start the debate with the usual passives list ?
 
Sorry Kal

Alright then. Wall of Passives incoming (I'll keep posting this in every matchup until something's added to the profiles)

-Passive: Poison Manipulation, Holy manipulation (destroys you based on your sins, with an absurd level of morality), Fate Manipulation (prevents her from dying, possibly works on 4-D scale acausals) lol, Invisibility, intangibility, non corporeality, limited luck manipulation (she has good luck granted from a mg who wished to win the lottery to save her grandfather's restaurant), constant growth (up to te size of at least two infinite multiverses, with all her abilities upscaled to her level), curse manipulation (fills you with despair, possessing and altering mind, body and soul, turning you into the Avatar of Calamity), power Nullification (Eye-Based, works on beings resistant to power null), absorption, wealth production (yes, because why not?) unaffected by any physical phenomena including time, possibly others

Precog via knowing all past, present and future possibilities of the entire multiverse

Resistance to almost all of her own abilities (basically resistance to everything Madoka has)

Notable tought based abilities: Conceptual nonexistence erasure, Erasure of the evil intent of the target which erases his personality along with it, law manip, others that I forgot

I don't know that much about Lavos, but it seems like law manip might be UKG's best shot at keeping all the dupes at bay. What would Lavos start with?
 
After a few hours of talking to myself about whether I should try and debate this monstrosity of a match, I have decided (Against my better judgment) that I'll try. Things that are useless against Lavos:

All of UKG's resistances = Useless.

Poison Manip = Useless.

Holy Manip = Useless. (Kal said It can't kill someone with Mid-High regen or higher, so it isn't killing someone with Mid-Godly, also Power mimicry says hi).

Invisibility, intangibility, non-corporeality, limited luck manipulation = Useless.

Constant Growth = Useless (UKG's Constant growth in Power is negged by Lavos passive drain)

Unaffected by physical phenomena such as time = Useless (Lavos is also beyond time)

Fate Manip that works on 4-D Acausals = Useless (Buddy boi, you don't know what Acausality is until you've seen Lavos)

Absorption = Likely Useless (Can you please tell me how it works? Regardless, Lavos' drain is probably better, plus infinite dupes)

Wealth Production = Kills Lavos in one shot Useless (Do I really need to explain this one?)

Evil Personality Erasure = Likely useless (Lavos is already Nonexistent, plus all the Lavos dupes)

Conceptual nonexistence erasure = Probably Useless (Lavos is already nonexistent, plus all the Lavos dupes)

Things that do work:

Law Manip = This is UKG's big gun, she probably forces an Inconclusive with it.

Eye-based Power Null = Most Likely Useful.

Precog = Could Be Helpful.

Lavos' Absorption is this:

Lavos passively absorbs all of UKG's 'Magic' (not just magic spells, Magic energy straight from the opponent if they have it) making Lavos stronger throughout the entire match and making UKG weaker (Tho UKG's constant growth in power may cause this to be useless).

Plus every time UKG touches Lavos, Lavos has a passive counter of draining the energy from the opponent who so much as touches it on top of the other passive absorption.

( ^ This was back in DD, and in TD the absorption is massively upgraded)

Also, remember that this Absorption is on every single duplicate of the infinite amount of Lavos.

Offtopic: Can people calm down with the Lavos matches? It really isn't fun trying to debate on 5 threads at once.
 
UKG's erasure is so far beyond Lavos' kind of nonexistence though.

Aura wouldn't kill Mid-Godly, but it still gives her the edge because Lavos needs to regen (the one in front of her, anyway)

And it isn't like Lavos' first move is voiding someone's resistances (to which I ask, why exactly saying that it negates resistance to literally everything isn't NLF?) and UKG being able to copy it isn't outside the realm of possibilities
 
The mechanics of the resistance negation you mean? Not that i recall, but maybe cal remembers something.

I don't recall it bypassing an actual immunity (Like soul haxing a soulles being ) either, but that doesn't affect this match too much, as UKG is immune only to soul manipulation.

Seriously though, saying "he negates literally any resistance" sounds really NLF.

I can say "UKG invents a new power that counters Lavos perfectly" (Which is an ability that she legitimately has) but i won't, because that's obviously stretching the ability beyond anything that it has shown.

Likewise we can't assume that resistance negation works independently from the resistance that it targets (Unless there is a mechanic behind it allowig us to understand the limitations).
 
I depends on how said resistance negation works.

-Is it like Miracle Eye in which lowers the resistance to Psychic Attacks? (Limited Power Null I guess)

-Is it like Omega Blade, Character Reversal, Vanquish Claw, Dead or Alive, Reformat, etc where it directly manipulates characteristics in order to do so? (Very potent Information Manipulation)

-Or does it just lolnope elemental resistances? (Basic RPG stuffs)
 
.*Shrugs* As i said i don't recall any statement about mechanics. During the boss fight it negates elemental resistances.

Granted, i only watched a let's play of CT, so it could be a statement hidden somewhere that i'm not aware of, that's why i'm not saying "It only negates elemental resistances" as the showings during the boss fight could be limited by game mechanics.
 
Time Devourer makes short work of UKG. Performs a lolabsorb and removes her influence so finely that he doesn't become an AoC.
 
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