My Hero Academia General Revisions Discussion

[VersusJunkie54]

Not sure if Therefir is ready for this, but I suppose I'll give it a shot. We have two new feats in the High 8-C range.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Therefir/My_Hero_Academia_-_Quaking_Earth

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Therefir/My_Hero_Academia_-_Power_of_Flames

Two High 8-C calcs right here. The first feat done by Yo Shindo was a feat using much of his power, and with great strain. While Todoroki's feat was preformed rather casually.

I can't really say much about how to scale Yo Shindo's feat to others. But Todorki's feat should scale to his normal flame potentcy, EG what he used against Stain.

The Big three like Mirio should be superior to Yo Shindo, same with pro heroes, 20% Deku, etc.

100% One For All, Muscular, and Monster Chisak should be straight up 8-B for their power output far exceeding those presiding them. Since Yo Shindo's own feat is literally only 15% below 8-B anyways. And to be frank, it would be absurd to think they wouldn't be 15% stronger at least.

Did I miss anything? Thoughts?

 

[Damage3245]

How exactly do you compare someone like Mirio to Yo Shindo? I don't doubt that Mirio can punch harder than Shindo can, but I wouldn't compare Mirio's punches with Shindo's earthquake Quirk. Mirio can still be superior to Shindo physically while not having the same or superior AP output.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

How exactly do you compare someone like Mirio to Yo Shindo? I don't doubt that Mirio can punch harder than Shindo can, but I wouldn't compare Mirio's punches with Shindo's earthquake Quirk. Mirio can still be superior to Shindo physically while not having the same or superior AP output.

Well... Mirio did completely stomp Class 1-A. and Shindo struggled with the 1-A members iirc.

 

[Damage3245]

Shindo's feat was a general AOE attack to separate them and it didn't 'directly attack' any member of Class 1-A. So no Class 1-A student tanked or withstood his attack directly.

Meanwhile all Mirio did was gut punches to incapacitate them or knock them out.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Shindo's feat was a general AOE attack to separate them and it didn't 'directly attack' any member of Class 1-A. So no Class 1-A student tanked or withstood his attack directly.
Meanwhile all Mirio did was gut punches to incapacitate them or knock them out.

Okay, now what about Todoroki's feat?

Anyways, lets wait for therefir to reply for now.

 

[Therefir]

@Damage3245 That's an AOE fallacy, and Yo's feat scales to his durability, Mirio should be able to knock out Yo.

For example, Mirio never destroyed a wall like Deku 5%, but he can broke Overhaul's arm with one punch, while Deku couldn't break his other arm.

Also, you have to remember that Todoroki's feat is just a supporting feat, since most of the MHA characters are scaled from Yo Shindo already. We already discussed this here, the feat we are using right now was recalced to High 8-C, that's all.

 

[Damage3245]

@Damage3245 That's an AOE fallacy, and Yo's feat scales to his durability, Mirio should be able to knock out Yo.
For example, Mirio never destroyed a wall like Deku 5%, but he can broke Overhaul's arm with one punch, while Deku couldn't break his other arm.

Also, you have to remember that Todoroki's feat is just a supporting feat, since most of the MHA characters are scaled from Yo Shindo already. We already discussed this here, the feat we are using right now was recalced to High 8-C, that's all.

That has nothing to do with the AOE fallacy, and I don't think Yo's durability scales to the quakes he puts out. And Mirio has never fought Yo so saying Mirio "should be able to knock out Yo" is pretty much baseless.

My other point was that since the attack was not directed at any Class 1-A member, it wouldn't count as a durability feat or to say that the other members of Class 1-A are equal to him because none of them took his attack directly.

I don't have a problem with Todoroki's feat but the justification for the time the feat took is worthless since Todoroki didn't need to evaporate the entire structure to free Hanta. Hanta was only on the edge of the ice wall.

 

[BlackeJan]

What up w/ this AOE Fallacy stuff? y'all do know that 99% AP calcs has something to do w/ AOE

 

[Therefir]

What you think doesn't matter if it's contradicted, Yo can withstand the aftershocks of his quirk, and Mirio has fought against people much stronger than him.

Deku had to save Yo from Todoroki's flames, so they scale.

Todoroki has shown to be able to vaporize the ice that covered an entire apartment, as long as the ice is connected, he can defrost it by touching a part of it, and it doesn't matter anyways, one minute is the assumed timeframe if you don't have it.

 

[Damage3245]

The aftershocks of his Quirk are not implied to be as strong as his actual AP.

> Mirio has fought against people much stronger than him.

Mirio is stronger than Yo physically, I don't doubt that. But I don't think Mirio's AP exceeds Yo's Quirk. There is a massive difference between the amount of damage Yo can deal out with a punch, and the amount he can deal out with his Quirk. A characters physical stats and their Quirk do not always sync up.

> Deku had to save Yo from Todoroki's flames, so they scale.

Deku's not going to take into account whether or not someone can withstand a bit of fire and take a certain amount of damage. He'd save him anyway because that's how he operates as a hero. Also, weren't those flames that were boosted by Inasa's wind Quirk?

> Todoroki has shown to be able to vaporize the ice that covered an entire apartment, as long as the ice is connected, he can defrost it by touching a part of it

Yes I know that, but presuming he can vaporize the entire ice structure in one go is odd. As soon as he's melted the large chunk closest to him, he'll no longer by touching the rest of it. He'd have to keep getting closer until it's all gone.

> and it doesn't matter anyways, one minute is the assumed timeframe if you don't have it.

Based on what? Just making up timeframes arbitrarily isn't helpful.

 

[Therefir]

The aftershocks of his Quirk are not implied to be as strong as his actual AP.

If we treat Yo's feat as a real earthquake then the feat would be like Low 7-C, and the aftershocks of his quirk are not implied to be weaker than his AP too.

Deku's not going to take into account whether or not someone can withstand a bit of fire and take a certain amount of damage. He'd save him anyway because that's how he operates as a hero. Also, weren't those flames that were boosted by Inasa's wind Quirk?

Yeah, but I doubt Yo has more durability than Stain for example.

Yes I know that, but presuming he can vaporize the entire ice structure in one go is odd. As soon as he's melted the large chunk closest to him, he'll no longer by touching the rest of it. He'd have to keep getting closer until it's all gone.

That's impossible with an ice that covers half of a stadium, or are you suggesting that Todoroki had to go to the top of the stadium to be able to unfreeze the whole thing?

Based on what? Just making up timeframes arbitrarily isn't helpful.

I do not know, ask someone from the calc group, but this feat was already accepted in OBD and here.

 

[Damage3245]

> If we treat Yo's feat as a real earthquake then the feat would be like Low 7-C, and the aftershocks of his quirk are not implied to be weaker than his AP too.

Isn't the whole idea of aftershocks that they are weaker than the main quake?

> Yeah, but I doubt Yo has more durability than Stain for example.

Possibly, but that's also difficult to figure out. Stain was able (after a few moments of being seemingly unconscious) to catch and kill a Nomu after taking a direct attack from Tenya and Izuku to the head. Without more info on him, I can't see Yo replicating that feat.

> That's impossible with an ice that covers half of a stadium, or are you suggesting that Todoroki had to go to the top of the stadium to be able to unfreeze the whole thing?

All I'm saying is that the main melting and disposal of the ice is off-screen. Sure it may have taken him a few seconds to free Hanta but we don't see how long it took him to remove the rest of the ice. All we know is that there was an unspecified timeskip and the arena was all thawed out for the next match. For all we know Todoroki (if it was all him by himself which is unclear since we don't see him remove the whole thing) took 5 or 10 minutes melting and vaporizing the whole ice structure.

As a feat, it's alright, but it's also impossible to determine how long it took.

 

[Therefir]

In the episode 8 of the first season of the anime, Todoroki unfreeze the whole department in seconds just by touching one part of it.

What I'm trying to tell you is that Todoroki can unfreeze all the ice at the same time, so touching Sero is all he needed to vaporize the whole ice in the stadium.

 

[Damage3245]

Even if that is the case, that still doesn't affect my point of the timeframe being impossible to determine. The layer of ice he melted in that scene you're referencing is tiny compared to the ice structure he made in the stadium.

 

[Therefir]

He need to unfreeze all the ice before Sero dies of hypothermia, one minute is a good timeframe.

And before you say Todoroki can unfreeze Sero first, in the anime and in the manga is shown that the whole ice is melting, not just ice that covers Sero.

 

[Damage3245]

In the manga, it doesn't show the entire ice structure melting at once, and since Sero is close to the edge, only melting the ice partially would be enough to free him. I don't know where you're getting the idea that the entire ice structure has to be vaporized before Sero gets hypothermia.

 

[Therefir]

He can unfreeze a whole department in seconds, unfreezing the ice that was covering Sero would take no time, but he was taking a lot of time because he wasn't vaporizing just the ice that was covering Sero, but the whole ice in the stadium.

 

[Damage3245]

Once again, vaporizing the entire structure is not necessary to save Sero. The timeframe is impossible to estimate since the rest of it aside from him being to melt the ice is offscreen. Could be as long as five minutes or more for the whole thing.

 

[Therefir]

5 five minutes is just another assumed timeframe, it could be perfectly one minute, or even less. We should ask a calc group member about this, but I have seen a lot of calcs that also assume 1 minute.

 

[Damage3245]

Yes, it is just another possible timeframe. That's my point that putting in a random timeframe won't give us a result that accurately reflects the character because at that point we'd just be making stuff up.

 

[Reppuzan]

I'm iffy about this.

Mirio's Quirk does not enhance him physically in any way nor does he have particularly astonishing physical strength.

Yes, he's fast enough to take down Izuku and Bakugou in rapid succession, but giving him High 8-C (which would put him around the same strength level as a top-tier offensive Quirk) when it's his clever use of his Quirk that's explicitly his advantage is odd to say the least.

 

[Therefir]

So what do you suggest? Stain for example can withstand flames that are casually 4 tons, Mirio being more durable than that is logical.

 

[Damage3245]

As far as I remember, Stain was actually injured and burned by Todoroki's flames and it's one of the reasons why the gang got in trouble with the police at the end of that arc.

 

[Therefir]

Iida's kick was so strong that it broke Stain's ribs, and Deku also helped incapacitate him.

 

[AstralKing7]

class 1-A losing to Mirio was PIS tbh dont care what anyone says and Overhaul losing in a fight against Mirio is PIS too.

 

[Damage3245]

What is your definition of PIS exactly? Given the nature of his Quirk, none of Class 1-A could land a hit on them so them losing isn't unexpected.

Overhaul losing just means he's much weaker in hand-to-hand combat then Mirio.

 

[AstralKing7]

but the fact that he can damage them is PIS in my book lol like seriously.

 

[Therefir]

Peak humans in MHA are very strong, Aizawa for example can fight a guy who can harm a villain with Gigantification quirk, Sir Nighteye can dodge and defeat Rappa with one projectile, despite how strong and fast Rappa was, and Mirio knocked out two precepts of death with one punch.

 

[AstralKing7]

how do we even tell who is peak human in MHA first??

 

[Therefir]

Those who are very strong despite not having a physical quirk.

 

[Damage3245]

but the fact that he can damage them is PIS in my book lol like seriously.

Why? Most members of Class 1-A don't have physical reinforcement or defensive Quirks.

EDIT: Shouldn't All For One have Information Analysis on his profile?

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Wouldn't these feats be outliers anyways? Honestly I'm neutral on this.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

but the fact that he can damage them is PIS in my book lol like seriously.

Please don't throw away that term so easily. It is highly unlikely that Mirio stomping Class 1-A was PIS. He is one of the big three students at UA, prepared to become a full pro-hero. It makes sense they wouldn't be able to lay a finger on him.

Chisak suffered from CIS there for now tapping Mirio and splattering him, not PIS.

 

[Damage3245]

Chisaki tried to his best to hit Mirio and splatter him, but having an OP ability that lets you kill with a touch doesn't matter if you're not fast enough / skilled enough to touch your opponent.

 

[AstralKing7]

Bakugo and Deku have put fingers on a serious all might in training. Mirio quirk doesnt give him any phyiscal boost thats why i said its PIS for him to be harming people like Deku Bakugo and CHisaki

 

[Reppuzan]

@Astral

All Might was severely holding back against him and Toga is legitimate threat to Izuku and Todoroki. Izuku was also barely able to keep up with Stain, whose lack of a physical Quirk didn't stop him from cutting Izuku.

Mirio is a candidate for top-ranked Hero as soon as he comes out of high school. Him being able to hurt Bakugou and Izuku isn't PIS given previous feats in the series.

But I'm extremely iffy at putting him anywhere near the power of High 8-C, which would imply that one of his punches is as strong as One For All 100%, which is obviously silly.

 

[Andytrenom]

How does it imply that exactly? We are only scaling him to 5%.

Edit:Scaling him to Yo Shindo to be more accurate but yeah...

 

[AstralKing7]

WHich Deku are you guys talking about??? Deku gets stronger and better control after each arc. I wouldnt compare Deku(Hero Killer arc to deku in the Overhaul arc at all tbh. I also thought it was agreed that swords and objects can overcome durability if the tiers arent too far apart??


Also wasnt it agreed Top Hero was just a title lol cause some of the heros arent all that strong with the fact that we having a Washing Machine in the top 10 list. Wasnt the the list made by how many viewers like the heros

 

[Damage3245]

Bakugo and Deku have put fingers on a serious all might in training. Mirio quirk doesnt give him any phyiscal boost thats why i said its PIS for him to be harming people like Deku Bakugo and CHisaki

Mirio has never fought Bakugo.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

@Astral
All Might was severely holding back against him and Toga is legitimate threat to Izuku and Todoroki. Izuku was also barely able to keep up with Stain, whose lack of a physical Quirk didn't stop him from cutting Izuku.

Mirio is a candidate for top-ranked Hero as soon as he comes out of high school. Him being able to hurt Bakugou and Izuku isn't PIS given previous feats in the series.

But I'm extremely iffy at putting him anywhere near the power of High 8-C, which would imply that one of his punches is as strong as One For All 100%, which is obviously silly.

Turns out the crater that 100% supposedly scales to may not have been made by Izuku after all.