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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

It was at the end of the afo.
It was at the end of the afo, he disappeared into nonexistence full of hate.
I liked that the league had all kinds of villains.
-a follower
-a butler
-a thief
-a lover of fighting
-a crazy cannibal
-a crazy girl
-a boy with daddy issues
-absolute evil
-and the tragic past that seeks to destroy everything and free itself.
 
Oh. Well that’s incredibly bad LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Alright so Shiggy can steal OFA now, no duh, but straight up stealing Danger Sense/Shimomori in less than a millisecond is basically the Supreme set up to cook Deku.

Shigaraki, post his evolution, has gear shift level speed, can take hits from Overdrive and now has Danger Sense because he can steal abilities from OFA (meaning he now has layered power absorption).

Deku no longer has precog, is still outpacing Shiggy enough to remove his fingers and not get decayed despite being touched, and is on his final Gearshift.

So uh yeah, Deku is kinda getting steam rolled if he doesn’t pull something out his ass.

AFO >>> Decay in speed since he could steal a Quirk near instantly but decay didn’t activate in time, so that’s useful information.

In good news, AFO is dead. So yippee.

Also Shigaraki needing a week to decay 378,000 square km is slow af
 
shit
He was ready to have his arm taken away but they are taking quirks away.
Will we no longer be able to see a full adult deku?
I knew that the previous advisors couldn't stay in Deku's head but I didn't expect this, shit shit shit
/SPOILER]
 
Shigaraki being Gearshift fast is kinda insane, but it also brings up how crazy Danger Sense is.

Base Deku can keep up with Gearshift level speed Shigaraki due to Danger Sense, so the level of blitz we saw is something it can keep up.

On the terrible other hand: Shigaraki now has it. LOL

So I guess we need a “Post-Molt” key for Shigaraki cause bro is taking Fa Jin+Gearshift hits and smiling on top of being ungodly faster. Also maybe an “optional” for his abilities to factor in however many Quirks he steals from OFA.

Best case scenario is that the vestiges can fight despite being stolen but I doubt it. Gearshift is gonna have to put in overtime because Deku does NOT have the arsenal to deal with super strong Shiggy + precog.

Smokescreen, Sero, if there was ever a moment for either of you to be useful, please let it be now 😭
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Shigaraki being Gearshift fast is kinda insane, but it also brings up how crazy Danger Sense is.

Base Deku can keep up with Gearshift level speed Shigaraki due to Danger Sense, so the level of blitz we saw is something it can keep up.

On the terrible other hand: Shigaraki now has it. LOL

So I guess we need a “Post-Molt” key for Shigaraki cause bro is taking Fa Jin+Gearshift hits and smiling on top of being ungodly faster. Also maybe an “optional” for his abilities to factor in however many Quirks he steals from OFA.

Best case scenario is that the vestiges can fight despite being stolen but I doubt it. Gearshift is gonna have to put in overtime because Deku does NOT have the arsenal to deal with super strong Shiggy + precog.

Smokescreen, Sero, if there was ever a moment for either of you to be useful, please let it be now 😭
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Was it too much to ask that the smoke screen be removed? Why feeling of danger?
 
Yeah quirked up Shigaraki can already keep pace with Gearshift Deku and even land hits on him (even if for only a millisecond). With Danger Sense he’s gonna maul Deku
 
I hope it has a backup copy without the consciousness of the carriers because if not, deku is very dead,
Deku doesn't even reach 100 ofa and they are already taking away his quiks
 
Wait, I know its not clear right now since these are early leaks but how exactly did Shiggy snatch danger sense again? Is it that the act of stealing danger sense didn't have any "harmful" intent and bypass it? Or was it Shiggy adapted to become faster/wasn't trying as hard before?
 
Kingur_RG3 said:
It was at the end of the afo.
It was at the end of the afo, he disappeared into nonexistence full of hate.
I liked that the league had all kinds of villains.
-a follower
-a butler
-a thief
-a lover of fighting
-a crazy cannibal
-a crazy girl
-a boy with daddy issues
-absolute evil
-and the tragic past that seeks to destroy everything and free itself.
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Wait, who was a cannibal?
 
Deku needs to end this and QUICK. The only way he's getting out of this is if he decides to go all out and use Fajin in combination with Gearshift and 100% of One for All. That might be the only way for him to stand a chance now.

Not only that, but it's gonna have to be a one-shot.

Yeah...

It ain't looking too good for my boy. He might be cooked unless someone saves his ass.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Well anyway, have we settled on what we’re doing with new Bakugo yet or what?

Obviously needs a new rating for this state, but is he just gonna be High 6-C scaling higher than his previous self, or possibly 6-B for stinging ShigAFO (while not understanding how to maximize the power of his explosions by focusing on the pain) and destroying Rewind AFO’s attacks. At the least his current power is higher than the howitzer he fired against ShigAFO.

And before someone brings up “AFO said he’s weaker than Endeavor/Dark Shadow,” he said that before Bakugo understood how to access the actually powerful explosions from his pain that make him believe he’s equal if not faster than Current Deku/Complete Shigaraki. So not only was AFO downplaying him, calling him extra, pointless, a pebble, nothing, because he’s a hater that has downplayed literally everyone he’s ever fought out of sheer pettiness and main character syndrome, but Bakugo wasn’t even using his full power yet cause he just learned how to do it.

IMO, “High 6-C, possibly 6-B with Explosion, higher with Howitzer Impact” seems reasonable.
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I hard disagree with bakugo getting any 6b rating and think 6c is just fine.

Stinging Shigaraki is a cool feat but we've got to keep things real here, Stinging shigaraki is a feat that any of the todoroki's can achieve and would even do more damage than that. Then their is mirko who's attack was able to move shigaraki, something bakugo attack didn't do. Bakugo destroying baby afo final attack who claimed till his dying breath that bakugo attack was weak and it was because of his fragile body and quirks rebelling against him was the real reason bakugo dismantled his attack.

Afo is many things and lying is one of them but I don't believe when he claimed hell flame being superior to explosion is a lie. Afo is the only villain in this series that have compliments lots of heroes quirk and it potential.
• Afo complimented shoto quirk twice.
• He saw potential in endeavor kid (dabi) to risk entering dabi forest fire.
• He complimented nejire quirk.
• He complimented both endeavor and tokoyami quirk.

Yes afo can downplay some characters as a weakling but he can also give out compliments to them and knows that wounded heroes are dangerous and that is the reason he didn't let his guard down when facing a limping all might. We can't simply discard all this factors in favor of giving bakugo 6b key when afo even after seeing bakugo mastering his quirk during their fight he still had a reason to why bakugo was able to harm his attack during the fight as he said in chapter 409:

"Something is off my quirk factor's aren't mingling properly, how could mere fireworks be tearing them apart? It because my body ìs growing to weak?! To delicate."

If we are to give bakugo 6b then certain characters would just have to upscale him and also be getting 6b key as well because of afo statement and lack of acknowledgement toward bakugo till his last breath and even bakugo said he wouldn't have been able to do it without help.

Characters who would upscale bakugo would be: dabi > endeavor and tokoyami > mirko >bakugo.
 
Bakugo doesn't necessarily have to be weaker than Endeavor or Tokoyami if that is the issue, but there isn't strong grounds suggesting he's 6-B either or his awakening let him be 60x stronger.
Bakugo has been beating up an AFO whose durability at most is gonna upscale from Bakugo's own previous AP, for obvious reasons being AFO's durability being nebulous prior due to his body being younger. Plus his body being weaker when he tried to use his ultimate attack.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Shigaraki being Gearshift fast is kinda insane, but it also brings up how crazy Danger Sense is.

Base Deku can keep up with Gearshift level speed Shigaraki due to Danger Sense, so the level of blitz we saw is something it can keep up.

On the terrible other hand: Shigaraki now has it. LOL

So I guess we need a “Post-Molt” key for Shigaraki cause bro is taking Fa Jin+Gearshift hits and smiling on top of being ungodly faster. Also maybe an “optional” for his abilities to factor in however many Quirks he steals from OFA.

Best case scenario is that the vestiges can fight despite being stolen but I doubt it. Gearshift is gonna have to put in overtime because Deku does NOT have the arsenal to deal with super strong Shiggy + precog.

Smokescreen, Sero, if there was ever a moment for either of you to be useful, please let it be now 😭
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Bro’s gonna have to start getting intangibility by turning into smoker from one piece via smokescreen or else bro is gonna start getting turned into a fish fillet cooked well done
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Oh. Well that’s incredibly bad LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Alright so Shiggy can steal OFA now, no duh, but straight up stealing Danger Sense/Shimomori in less than a millisecond is basically the Supreme set up to cook Deku.

Shigaraki, post his evolution, has gear shift level speed, can take hits from Overdrive and now has Danger Sense because he can steal abilities from OFA (meaning he now has layered power absorption).

Deku no longer has precog, is still outpacing Shiggy enough to remove his fingers and not get decayed despite being touched, and is on his final Gearshift.

So uh yeah, Deku is kinda getting steam rolled if he doesn’t pull something out his ass.

AFO >>> Decay in speed since he could steal a Quirk near instantly but decay didn’t activate in time, so that’s useful information.

In good news, AFO is dead. So yippee.

Also Shigaraki needing a week to decay 378,000 square km is slow af
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Well it’s 7 days a week and 24 hours a day, and two 60s to go from hours to minutes minutes to seconds so 378000 / (7*24*60*60) so it’s .625 km^2 a second, or 625000 m^2 a second. 378000 is also just… the entirety of Japan, which is probably why Horikoshi used it as a reference
 
A more interesting and important plot point is if Shigaraki can use Danger Sense.
Which also branches out to whether Shigaraki can use Decay to destroy Quirks as well or he can only damage them. The former is very likely.

We've seen Shigaraki with the AFO-dominant persona being incapable of destroying New Order/Star Vestige, with a mention of how he can only take and give Quirks, so he tried to give New Order to someone else. But Star was eventually destroyed during the Quirk Vestige fight, while also destroying other Quirks as well.

With the original AFO Quirk + Decay, we can see how strong AFO/Shigaraki is on the Vestige World, and they haven't experienced rebellion like AFO with the AFO-copy Quirk. Except from One For All Vestiges. It's possible that Shinomori will try to resist and revolt against Shigaraki assuming he is still somehow able to resist despite being detached from OFA.

Like a lot of people theorized, this is setting up the stage for when Deku and Shigaraki fight in the Vestige World again.
 
Finally, AFO is dead and gone, a very earned victory

Time for the final battle, Deku and Shigaraki, considering just how hard the previous fights have been, I expect greatness. Deku losing Danger Sense is rough, but his raw power hasn’t been nerfed, he’s just lost a very reliable utility tool. At this point, it’s going to be the toughest battle yet against a Full Power Shigaraki with Decay+Super Strength+Regen+Danger Sense+Countless other Quirks. Excited to see how this all goes down
 
Mazdoesstuff said:
Is this a good feat for Shigaraki’s range? He could decay the entirety of Japan within a week, which is essentially hundreds of kilometers
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I mean I guess, but the whole in a week thing kind of throws it off slightly. Ig it depends on if it is saying it'll take a week for his decay to reach the ends of Japan or it will take a week for it to be fully decayed.
 
Mazdoesstuff said:
Is this a good feat for Shigaraki’s range? He could decay the entirety of Japan within a week, which is essentially hundreds of kilometers
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Wait for better translations, otherwise it is a range upgrade but it is more like an "over time" feat. It may also indicate that the Decay Spread would need to be at least Mach 1 fast to Decay that surface area within a week.
 
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The end of All For One, about what I'd expect and I'm not surprised that's the motivation behind all of his actions. He's afraid of disappearing, he didn't want to be forgotten, he wanted to exist forever and made sure everyone else existed for his own sake. At the end of the day, he was child looking for everyone's attention.

This was the ending this character deserved, feeling unfulfilled and never making it to the "main character".

Bakugo not going down until AFO is actually gone is pretty cool. Don't leave anything to chance no matter how unlikely it would've been. AFO does mention that there is a trump card inside of Shigaraki that wasn't used yet. So Shiggy still has something crazy in store if he gets pushed.

Also, is that Mount Fuji in the background or something? Where in gods name have they gone now? Why is the water going crazy, is that Shiggy's doing? Did Shiggy get stronger/faster after AFO died or something? Lots of questions, no answers as of yet.

Shiggy flexing how he can erase Japan in less than a week, man literally just wants to destroy the world.

Shigaraki has his Quirks back, so it seems like he can kind of keep up with Gearshift's speed, though Izuku was fast enough to destroy his fingers. Also, that kind of implies Shigaraki's durability is indeed lesser on his hands/arms than his face. Which is really weird, but okay his head is more durable than the rest of his body.

Also, nice detail that you can actually see Izuku's left arm "slash" through Shigaraki's fingers on the same panel his hand touches his face.

Losing Danger Sense is interesting, something crazy has to happen for Izuku to beat Shigaraki at this rate, who still has a trump card as well. Unless this ends with Shigaraki accidently screwing himself over, something needs to change and soon. This is a stalemate that Izuku is slowly losing.

He's going talk him down and Shigaraki will willingly surrender after becoming a good person again!
 
Bakugo giving his best to Deku makes me believe that Deku and Shigaraki will stay an uninterrupted fight

The entire story has been building to the final confrontation between Deku and Shigaraki as the strongest Hero and Villain. So I'm curious to see how Deku will take down this ultimate opponent. The only current theory I have now is that comes up with a new technique with a combination of his Quirks that involves sacrificing something of himself. Deku's greatest strength has always been his ability to hurt himself to win, so that'll probably come back. I now see why Horikoshi gave Deku Float, he wanted Deku and Shigaraki to have an epic DBZ style fight in the sky where they're flying around shooting off big attacks. This is hopefully gonna be the longest and most epic in all of MHA.

I also don't see how Shigaraki could live when even Toga died after her resolution, so I imagine however Deku connects to Shigaraki, he will still end up dead. I imagine he will be defeated and Decay himself.
 
Random question but do they have the death penalty in MHA Japan? Lol I know the hero society used assassin's to stop threats before they became threats but do they have any official means of ending a villain?
 
I've got fate that Horikoshi is going to make this final battle blow everything else we've seen out of the water. Now we're finally going to see the full power of OFA and AFO face off. Considering the tightrope Izuku is on right now, he really needs a game change. I wonder if OFA will indeed undergo an "Awakening" of some kind.

We'll have to give Izuku another key if that happens.

And we know Shigaraki still has something up his skin sleeves, so I imagine this fight will go on for awhile with them going back and forth between who has the advantage. Also, there's literally no way Shigaraki is living, though he won't be killed in cold blood or anything like that.

MHA has always made it clear some people can't change or are they're too far gone. Muscular, Chisaki, Dabi, and All For One are perfect examples of this. They can't become better people no matter what chance they're given. Muscular wants to kill. Chisaki can't show regret over what he did to Eri even if it'd help his adopted father.

Dabi's too consumed with hatred and it's the only thing keeping him alive. And All For One is the worst of them all. Even Toga who isn't as bad as the people above can't accept the world as it is. If she is taken alive she'll just spend the rest of her life trapped in prison and never be free again. They aren't letting her walk after what she's done.

Her final act wasn't evil, though it was selfish. She liked Ochako and didn't want her to die, so for the first time in her life she gave away her blood to save someone. At that moment she was Ochako's hero, even if she was a villain to the world.

Dabi's resolution is gaining the thing he wanted most in the entire world. His family's attention on him. As Rei said, he didn't want to be a hero or surpass All Might. He just wanted Endeavor to look at him, even when his mind was burning away he could still shout at his dad to look at him.

Toya was already dead, but Dabi was his rage. By quelling Dabi, Toya can rest in peace. Just killing him wouldn't have help, he needed peace.

Shigaraki will get some kind of resolution to his hatred, but he'll never live as Tenko Shimura ever again. If Shigaraki is captured he'll just spend his entire life in a cell until death or get executed, though I have zero idea on how they do either of that if even Lady Nagant's bullets can't pierce his head.

I believe Izuku with "save" Tomura/Tenko's soul, but it won't ignore the reality of the actions he's committed and the many lives he's ended.
 
Dreymannn said:
Random question but do they have the death penalty in MHA Japan? Lol I know the hero society used assassin's to stop threats before they became threats but do they have any official means of ending a villain?
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Heroes are allowed to kill villains sometimes
 
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