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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

Kingofwolves999 said:
Re-doing my horrible calc because .25 meters is an obscenely big number actually. That’s 25 cm, his hands did not move that far at all.

So, I did a bit of research and found that, if AFO is pulling AM in half, and doesn’t manage to do it before 2nd Gear Bakugo blitzes him, he would not have been able to tear the ligaments in his stomach significantly, as that is the center point for how he’s ripping AM.

The biggest ligament in the stomach is the Sacrotuberous Ligament which, in men, is about 64 mm. Ligaments can stretch about 6% their size before they tear, so using two ends for “AFO hasn’t torn anything yet” (6%) and “he’s started tearing them significantly” (so like 10%)

64x.06 = 3.84 mm distance = .00384 m
64x.1 = 6.4 mm distance = .0064 m

.00384/1422 = 0.000002700421941 seconds

9570/0.000002700421941 = 3,543,890,624 m/s = 11.8x SoL (FTL+)

.0064/1422 = 0.000004500703235 seconds

9570/0.000004500703235 = 2,126,334,375 m/s = 7.09x SoL (FTL)

So it’s comparable to frozen time.

Gonna stop now and just wait for the actually intelligent people to do it now before I give Damage more heart attacks 🗿
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This is le calc and my reasoning which is probably all wrong but dats why I don’t calc in the first place
 
Not going to worry about px scaling or anything of that nature until the officials come out.

But this would only work on the assumption AFO is pulling with everything he's got and he isn't going slow on purpose to prolong All Might's suffering.

May not mean much, but normal people were reacting to AFO after he started to rip All Might. We also saw blood coming out of All Might's torso before Bakugo even leapt down to Izuku. IDK, seems to me that AFO was taking his sweet time to enjoy the moment.

Don't see him ripping him apart at his "full speed".
 
TheRustyOne said:
Not going to worry about px scaling or anything of that nature until the officials come out.

But this would only work on the assumption AFO is pulling with everything he's got and he isn't going slow on purpose to prolong All Might's suffering.

May not mean much, but normal people were reacting to AFO after he started to rip All Might. We also saw blood coming out of All Might's torso before Bakugo even leapt down to Izuku. IDK, seems to me that AFO was taking his sweet time to enjoy the moment.

Don't see him ripping him apart at his "full speed".
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I mean we also had Shigaraki have a full dialogue with Deku after 2nd Gear happened which wouldn’t make sense considering the speed difference, so people reacting is a bit weird in general.

But I guess he could be going less than full power, so like normal human?

He still got perception blitzed though, he didn’t even know Bakugo was a thing until he didn’t have his arms anymore since he was shocked and still looking forward/up despite Bakugo being behind him.

So I guess it would just be a standard blitz or frozen time considering Bakugo gets there before ANY progress is made despite AFO pulling at the start of the chapter and there being multiple shots of him still in relatively the same position as Explodey boy travels there.

But again, idk, I’m not a calcer
 
TheRustyOne said:
Not going to worry about px scaling or anything of that nature until the officials come out.

But this would only work on the assumption AFO is pulling with everything he's got and he isn't going slow on purpose to prolong All Might's suffering.

May not mean much, but normal people were reacting to AFO after he started to rip All Might. We also saw blood coming out of All Might's torso before Bakugo even leapt down to Izuku. IDK, seems to me that AFO was taking his sweet time to enjoy the moment.

Don't see him ripping him apart at his "full speed".
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I feel like if AFO was pulling him apart slowly there wouldn't be this extreme tension to get to him in time and deku wouldn't have to risk using gearshift again to launch bakugo to reach AFO in time.

We don't see any people directly react to Allmight being torn apart, at best we've only seen their reaction to afo raising him in the air. And again this is a common thing that happens anyways. And blood coming out is like people talking while going faster than sound, it happens in basically every anime fight no matter the speed including mha. Also, allmight was bleeding everywhere before AFO started to pull allmight apart, but I do think that the blood on his stomach is from being pulled apart so that doesn't matter.

This would still be a perception blitz since bakugo had gotten substantially close and afo didn't react at all, and it could be frozen time calc since we see that AFO hadn't progressed at all during the timeframe of bakugo being on UA and bakugo being close to him.
 
ShigarakiShimura said:
I feel like if AFO was pulling him apart slowly there wouldn't be this extreme tension to get to him in time and deku wouldn't have to risk using gearshift again to launch bakugo to reach AFO in time.

We don't see any people directly react to Allmight being torn apart, at best we've only seen their reaction to afo raising him in the air. And again this is a common thing that happens anyways. And blood coming out is like people talking while going faster than sound, it happens in basically every anime fight no matter the speed including mha. Also, allmight was bleeding everywhere before AFO started to pull allmight apart, but I do think that the blood on his stomach is from being pulled apart so that doesn't matter.

This would still be a perception blitz since bakugo had gotten substantially close and afo didn't react at all, and it could be frozen time calc since we see that AFO hadn't progressed at all during the timeframe of bakugo being on UA and bakugo being close to him.
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Whether All For One was pulling All Might apart quickly or slowly there would be extreme tension... because either way he's being pulled apart.
 
Damage3245 said:
In either scenario there is still a time limit...
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I feel like the fact that deku risked using gearshift gear 2nd to launch an awakened bakugo at AFO at full speed probably means that the time limit was really small, i.e. AFO wasn't going slowly. Of course unless you believe that AFO moving slowly is superior to an awakened bakugo who speedblitzed a prime allmight level shigaraki speedwise.
 
ShigarakiShimura said:
I feel like the fact that deku risked using gearshift gear 2nd to launch an awakened bakugo at AFO at full speed probably means that the time limit was really small, i.e. AFO wasn't going slowly. Of course unless you believe that AFO moving slowly is superior to an awakened bakugo who speedblitzed a prime allmight level shigaraki speedwise.
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That's ignoring the distance factor between the two locations. Even if Bakugo can travel quickly, that doesn't mean he can cross that distance on his own power even if All For One was ripping apart All Might slowly. I certainly don't see any evidence of All For One ripping All Might apart at Mach 4.
 
Nah AFO was pulling All Might apart slowly to make him suffer.

He started pulling All Might apart in 403 and everyone was given enough time for multiple reactions and even All Might’s look of despair.
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He was holding up All Might up like he was a trophy for all to see, this was before Deku even saw Bakugou by the way too. Chapter 404 starts with him laughing maniacally while he’s still in the process of tearing All Might in half. It’s already been noted AFO isn’t thinking in total clarity thanks to the rage so he’s living it up right now in the moment of killing All Might. Which is why he’s dragging this out and we, once again, get serval reactions from people across the world before Bakugou even begins moving.
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The hurry is that “at any moment All Might can be torn in half” which is why they need to make it in time because he’s in the process of doing it and they don’t know when AM’s body is gonna give, not that AFO was trying to break it as quickly as he could.

Dude was having the time of his life the sick bastard.
 
Ye, he’s definitely not going full force with tugging AM in half, he’s having the time of his life making him suffer.

So the feat will have to rely on either perception blitz or frozen time rather than AFO arm speed.

Frozen time/snail speed is somewhat logical since he has tugged AM, during this chapter, enough to start causing pain/make him spit out blood droplets. His abdomen is also more clearly being torn than the scans I saw earlier, so even if AFO is going slow, by the time Bakugo is up and blasts to Deku, AM has minimum distance to go before he’s cooked.

This is backed up by his real vestige taking form in OFA, he’s probably less than a second from death right when Bakugo gets amped and blasts towards him.
 
If he was going slowly allmights vestige wouldn't be fully forming inside deku, as that would say that he's at death door. And AFO hadn't made any progress between the start of chapter and bakugo blitzing him so afo must have had allmight at death doors right as he started pulling him. We only see people react to afo lifting allmight in the air, only one panel in 404 could insinuate that a person is reacting to allmight being torn apart live, but his screen just seems to be a shot of UA and not afo pulling apart allmight. Only deku is clearly shown to react to AFO pulling apart allmight, and deku outscales AFO. If AFO was only going at peak human speed or something allmight wouldn't have reached deaths door so fast, the vestige wouldn't have started to form. And deku risking using gearshift gear 2nd says a lot, deku can supposedly see AFO so he should be able to tell that afo was going slowly. A bakugo that can speedblitz prime allmight should have been enough. Mach 4 is already a lowball as we all know, we use it because there's no other option without it being considered calc stacking so wanting to put AFO at even slower wouldn't make sense.
 
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ShigarakiShimura said:
Mach 4 is already a lowball as we all know, we use it because there's no other option without calc stacking so wanting to put AFO at even slower wouldn't make sense.
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No way would this be accepted by the way. You can't just get around calc stacking by assuming All For One ripped All Might apart at four times the speed of sound.
 
ShigarakiShimura said:
That's not calc stacking?
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Hiding calc stacking by susbtituing another value is also not allowed if you look at the calc stacking page. Say you want to calc someone catching another person's punch; you can't use their calced combat speed for it so you say "Well, this character's punch is almost certainly faster than the speed of sound, so I'll use Mach 1 for their speed as that isn't a calced value." That wouldn't be allowed. However if you had another character say "That person's punches are faster than the speed of sound", then it woudl be allowed as you're basing it off a statement, not a substitute for a calc.

Look at the Hiding Calculations section of the Calc Stacking page.
 
Damage3245 said:
Hiding calc stacking by susbtituing another value is also not allowed if you look at the calc stacking page. Say you want to calc someone catching another person's punch; you can't use their calced combat speed for it so you say "Well, this character's punch is almost certainly faster than the speed of sound, so I'll use Mach 1 for their speed as that isn't a calced value." That wouldn't be allowed. However if you had another character say "That person's punches are faster than the speed of sound", then it woudl be allowed as you're basing it off a statement, not a substitute for a calc.

Look at the Hiding Calculations section of the Calc Stacking page.
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Mach 4 isn't based on an assumption or from AFO definitely being faster or something, it's based on the fastest sniper in the world. Lady nagant clearly is faster than any sniper based on the statements we're shown and AFO would scale there. We're not assuming it must be this fast. Lady nagants bullets are directly compared to a howitzer shot, that's a statement.
 
ShigarakiShimura said:
Mach 4 isn't based on an assumption or from AFO definitely being faster or something, it's based on the fastest sniper in the world. Lady nagant clearly is faster than any sniper based on the statements we're shown and AFO would scale there. We're not assuming it must be this fast. Lady nagants bullets are directly compared to a howitzer shot, that's a statement.
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You're missing the point. That statement about Lady Nagant has nothing to do with the scene where All For One is ripping All Might in half. It wouldn't be allowed. You can't use what a character scales to as a substitute for a calc when it comes to calc stacking.
 
Dreymannn said:
So I know this series isn't finished yet, but how is everyone feeling about this war arc compared to Narutos war arc? 🤔
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Personally I enjoyed Naruto's war arc more and it did feel like a lot more of a war with the proper setup and tactics for it; the war in MHA is a lot more of just a series of brawls with substantially fewer notable antagonists and less interesting battles.

Though we'll see how MHA's ending will turn out since the ultimate ending of Naruto was something I wasn't a fan of.
 
Damage3245 said:
You're missing the point. That statement about Lady Nagant has nothing to do with the scene where All For One is ripping All Might in half. It wouldn't be allowed. You can't use what a character scales to as a substitute for a calc when it comes to calc stacking.
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Are you saying AFO doesn't scale to nagants bullets? Because he does. He scales to allmight who scales to nagants bullets.
 
ShigarakiShimura said:
Are you saying AFO doesn't scale to nagants bullets? Because he does. He scales to allmight who scales to nagants bullets.
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What I'm saying is you can't use what a character scales to as evidence for their speed in a scene for a calc. However fast Lady Nagant's bullets are has nothing to do with how quickly or slowly All For One is tearing All Might apart.
 
Damage3245 said:
Personally I enjoyed Naruto's war arc more and it did feel like a lot more of a war with the proper setup and tactics for it; the war in MHA is a lot more of just a series of brawls with substantially fewer notable antagonists and less interesting battles.

Though we'll see how MHA's ending will turn out since the ultimate ending of Naruto was something I wasn't a fan of.
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That's fair. I haven't read or watched naruto in at least 5 years but one thing I didn't like about the war arc for naruto is that ultimately, Naruto was practically carrying the entire war on his shoulders. It didn't seem like other people had much of a chance to shine, or their fights had any real impact on the war as a whole.

Off the top of my head there was itachi and sasuke defeating Kabuto and stopping the reanimations, but others, I feel like a lot of those fights could've just been skipped entirely.

With the war arc in MHA, it seems like the opposite, nearly every fight has a purpose to defeat the opposite side. Like Toga using Twices quirk, stopping the villains from getting kurogiri, or halting All For One from reaching Shigaraki. These all were important for the overall turning point in the war. Granted, the individual battles aren't very tactically sound, they're just brawls, but overall it seems like each side has objectives they need to complete in order to actually win over the opposite side. Feels like theres been a lot of turning points in the war that make things interesting.
 
Damage3245 said:
What I'm saying is you can't use what a character scales to as evidence for their speed in a scene for a calc. However fast Lady Nagant's bullets are has nothing to do with how quickly or slowly All For One is tearing All Might apart.
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How so? This is not calc stacking and we're not ignoring a calc, so what's the problem? This all comes from a statement and AFO scales to that. What else are we supposed to use? There's nothing else.
 
If a character is comparable to the speed of sound, has showings on that level, statements backing it up etc. then using supersonic speeds if they get blitzed is absolutely something the wiki accepts.

45% Deku is comparable to a super powered sniper bullet. He can react to and move relative to sniper rifle shots. That’s the basis for basically everything we do.

The current Sub-Rel calc that everyone scales to is also, quite literally, applying that principle to Prime AM Shigaraki.

This reasoning is a site wide “issue” not a disagreement you can simply have. That downgrades One Piece, Bleach, tons of verses that substitute values based on the circumstances rather than “everyone has normal human perceptions/reactions.”

Even using average human reaction speed for a blitz is calc stacking by this logic.
 
ShigarakiShimura said:
How so? This is not calc stacking and we're not ignoring a calc, so what's the problem? This all comes from a statement and AFO scales to that. What else are we supposed to use? There's nothing else.
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I'm not going to repeat myself. Read the "Hiding Calculations" section of the Calc Stacking page.

@Kingofwolves999 You should read that section as well. Plenty of calcs have been rejected over the years for violating that section. Trust me on that.

Also, I'm talking just about assuming All For One moved at Mach 4 here, not about any percpetion blitzing right now.
 
Just to be clear since people are eager, there's no timeframe to use for Bakugo's blitz. The only thing that could be used is him being fast enough to catch AFO off guard with his speed.

Regarding the "praying" or "wishing" power. I actually think it's an interesting concept, but it's really hard to implement into power scaling.
 
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ShigarakiShimura said:
Are you saying AFO doesn't scale to nagants bullets? Because he does. He scales to allmight who scales to nagants bullets.
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I think they’re saying more so that AFO isn’t pulling All Might apart at Mach 4 speeds. Not that he doesn’t scale to Mach 4 speeds at all. Especially in the case for the calc since All For One is purposely trying to make All Might suffer more so than anything else, rather than a quick death.
 
Maitreya said:
I think they’re saying more so that AFO isn’t pulling All Might apart at Mach 4 speeds. Not that he doesn’t scale to Mach 4 speeds at all. Especially in the case for the calc since All For One is purposely trying to make All Might suffer more so than anything else, rather than a quick death.
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Oh well okay then they should have responded to my arguments that I made about that
 
StorytellingDemonKing said:
Found this hilarious af😂
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I don't know what these people are going on about because Disney killed Mufasa and I'm not going to pretend that it never happened
 
Naruto's War Arc gave more ample time for the side dishes and the main course compared to MHA's War arcs. Gotta have a hard copium with some characters getting a few pages of fights at most and others having a supposed massive storyline that was barely present for 99.99% of the series.

Although the first war's entire sequence with Shigaraki was quite great, and the arc wasn't really bad until Compress got his flashback. In a vacuum, a lot of the marquee fights in the second war were great as well.
 
I feel the entire premise of “war” for a ninja society with tons of killers on both sides fighting reanimated hype beast cool guys vs a hero society fighting uprising villains in a final, desperate, ham fisted battle with proper knowledge, pair ups and wildly different goals/outcomes is inherently hard to compare, especially taking into account length. MHA isn’t nearly as long as Naruto, nor has it covered the same topics or set up the same things. Makes it tough imo to say which is “better” when the ideals and feelings behind both sides are so different with even more different backgrounds for why the fight is happening.

I do like the Naruto fights a bit more just cause MHA fights never last long enough to make me excited for the side characters. Aoyam vs Kunieda for instance where Fat Gum got off screened. Naruto would have a whole several chapters dedicated to them taking down Kunieda, but here it’s kinda just the backdrop for AM vs AFO which is a shame.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
I feel the entire premise of “war” for a ninja society with tons of killers on both sides fighting reanimated hype beast cool guys vs a hero society fighting uprising villains in a final, desperate, ham fisted battle with proper knowledge, pair ups and wildly different goals/outcomes is inherently hard to compare, especially taking into account length. MHA isn’t nearly as long as Naruto, nor has it covered the same topics or set up the same things. Makes it tough imo to say which is “better” when the ideals and feelings behind both sides are so different with even more different backgrounds for why the fight is happening.

I do like the Naruto fights a bit more just cause MHA fights never last long enough to make me excited for the side characters. Aoyam vs Kunieda for instance where Fat Gum got off screened. Naruto would have a whole several chapters dedicated to them taking down Kunieda, but here it’s kinda just the backdrop for AM vs AFO which is a shame.
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Kunieda getting one-shotted the way he did pretty much confirmed to me that Hori is trying to finish up every plotline and fight as quick as possible. In the case of Naruto, a complaint was that the fights were too long which tbh, I much prefer over what MHA is doing.
 
Grand_Astartes said:
Kunieda getting one-shotted the way he did pretty much confirmed to me that Hori is trying to finish up every plotline and fight as quick as possible. In the case of Naruto, a complaint was that the fights were too long which tbh, I much prefer over what MHA is doing.
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bro got hit by them backshots
Kunieda doing some Horror stuff for long as he did was still nice
 
Onelixy said:
You mean through scaling and by extension blitzing AFO across that distance with said scaling, right?

If you're talking about the shockwaves... If something with the mass of a person flew that close to the surface at LS, the surface would be absolutely demolished.
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I meant lifting strenght
 
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