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Muzan vs Kaneki

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This requires a x8 difference. In addition, they both scale much higher than their values.

However, the wounds will be much less severe than those that Kaneki will inflict
Hah, Kaneki just doesn't get in. Even if the castle does pull you in, Kaneki's Class T won't let you.
 
So. Muzan's entire tactic will be based on him actively trying to send Kaneki to IC the entire fight? Does he have any other tactics?
 
So. Muzan's entire tactic will be based on him actively trying to send Kaneki to IC the entire fight? Does he have any other tactics?
we're not getting this??? 😭 😭 😭
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Speed doesn't need to be equal here. Muzan already scales above the mach 2,201 value and has good senses. At most Kaneki's got a 3x speed difference and can get higher from there.
 
Speed doesn't need to be equal here. Muzan already scales above the mach 2,201 value and has good senses. At most Kaneki's got a 3x speed difference and can get higher from there.
oh mb i thought a 3x was way too much
 
Ghouls are resistant to paralytic gas
And he also went to fight against Arime even when he was in a stupor and had no will to fight
Is this resistance to paralysis or resistance to poison because their profile only list it as a resistance to poison

So. Muzan's entire tactic will be based on him actively trying to send Kaneki to IC the entire fight? Does he have any other tactics?
can he resist muzan’s bio hax
 
oh mb i thought a 3x was way too much
Nah KNY is generally used to speed blitzes. Also

Statistics Amplification & Transformation (Can enter a battle form which amplifies all of his abilities. Can massively increase his speed using his thigh whips, allowing him to blitz 7 Demon Slayers at once effortlessly despite having trouble with them before)
Reactive Power Level (Stated that one can massively increase their strength after getting close to death)

If anything it's fairer on Kaneki. He's got the speed to avoid Muzan better, who has bio hax, upscales from the mach 2000, his regen is too fast so Kaneki's attacks will actually be problem since they're faster and Muzan can get faster and stronger near death.
 
Nah KNY is generally used to speed blitzes. Also

Statistics Amplification & Transformation (Can enter a battle form which amplifies all of his abilities. Can massively increase his speed using his thigh whips, allowing him to blitz 7 Demon Slayers at once effortlessly despite having trouble with them before)
Reactive Power Level (Stated that one can massively increase their strength after getting close to death)

If anything it's fairer on Kaneki. He's got the speed to avoid Muzan better, who has bio hax, upscales from the mach 2000, his regen is too fast so Kaneki's attacks will actually be problem since they're faster and Muzan can get faster and stronger near death.
How do you think the fight would go (I’m still doing the BS+BFR meta lol)
 
Nah KNY is generally used to speed blitzes. Also

Statistics Amplification & Transformation (Can enter a battle form which amplifies all of his abilities. Can massively increase his speed using his thigh whips, allowing him to blitz 7 Demon Slayers at once effortlessly despite having trouble with them before)
Reactive Power Level (Stated that one can massively increase their strength after getting close to death)

If anything it's fairer on Kaneki. He's got the speed to avoid Muzan better, who has bio hax, upscales from the mach 2000, his regen is too fast so Kaneki's attacks will actually be problem since they're faster and Muzan can get faster and stronger near death.
Kaneki resists Muzan's biohax
Also him RE much better
 
How do you think the fight would go (I’m still doing the BS+BFR meta lol)
Until I see some argument for why Muzan's bio hax doesn't neg, it seems like a stomp. I think BS is mostly irrelevant when it comes to characters relative and BFR should work but that doesn't mean Muzan will just leave him, he'll go in and fight.
 
Kaneki resists Muzan's biohax
To Muzan's extent? All I see is the overtime bio hax he has from starving himself and having cancerous cells.

This though
  • Biological Manipulation (Cellular/Genetic; Is completely immune to ROS, which causes rapidly developing malignant cancerous tumors, destroys the nervous system and leads to paralysis and dementia. ROS is able to rebuild the host's body at the cellular level, turning it into a ghoul, which is a creature of a different species with a physiology and structure of the body and DNA different from human)
Can we see how fast it is?
 
Until I see some argument for why Muzan's bio hax doesn't neg, it seems like a stomp. I think BS is mostly irrelevant when it comes to characters relative and BFR should work but that doesn't mean Muzan will just leave him, he'll go in and fight.
Apparently cross verse on the wiki the resistance has to be potent enough to resist BS (found out about this when trying to justify why Lemillion doesn’t get cooked by BS despite being the stronger one)

Normally if they’re relative enough he’d chase after his opponent into the infinity fortress and kill them. But then again Muzan is a little ***** in character that would do anything to survive at all cost so it’s not out of character for Muzan to leave kaneki there in this specific scenario.
 
Until I see some argument for why Muzan's bio hax doesn't neg, it seems like a stomp. I think BS is mostly irrelevant when it comes to characters relative and BFR should work but that doesn't mean Muzan will just leave him, he'll go in and fight.
Kaneki is completely immune to the ROS virus, which attacks the nervous system and causes rapidly growing cancerous tumors. The ROS virus is effective even on kakuhou wielders, although they are resistant to the increased concentration of RC cells and previously used it as fuel. The virus works on a genetic/cellular level, which is why Kaneki resists Muzan's biohax.

Biological deconstruction would also not matter, because Kaneki's advanced kagune limbs were resistant to RC depressants, which suppress RC cell activity and disintegrate the kagune, disrupting the integrity of its cellular structure. Post-Dragon Kaneki's body is a living kagune, so we have what we have.
 
Normally if they’re relative enough he’d chase after his opponent into the infinity fortress and kill them. But then again Muzan is a little ***** in character that would do anything to survive at all cost so it’s not out of character for Muzan to leave kaneki there in this specific scenario.
Muzan's tactic is to hide in the castle until Kaneki dies of old age

By the way, is it possible to destroy the IC from the inside?
 
Apparently cross verse on the wiki the resistance has to be potent enough to resist BS (found out about this when trying to justify why Lemillion doesn’t get cooked by BS despite being the stronger one)
Well until there's some scaling for BS, it is just basic
Battle Spirit, Limited Fear Manipulation & Paralysis Inducement (Overwhelming Aura; They emit an aura that overwhelms others and causes the opponent to feel numerous negative effects. These negative effects from their overwhelming aura causes the opponent fear and paralysis alongside them shuddering and the inability to breathe. It can even cause internal bleeding, external lacerations, internal heart pain, and sapping the strength from limbs)
The overwhelming others scans, there's nothing beyond what Arima and the most powerful ghouls cause to others around. The fear and paralysis scans, Muichiro and Tanjiro calm themselves and are fine right after. I just don't know what that would be other than supernatural willpower or literally just calming themselves down. Same with the breathing stuff, it's a physical pressure that's induced from their BS, we see the same with Kokushibou and Yorichii, Kaneki can't be affected by a pressure only seen affecting Class 50 characters. Same with the others, all that is pain inducing or dura neg, something Kaneki is used to.

  • Supernatural Willpower (Being exhausted, he continues to fight against the enemy with the apparent God of Death. He continues to fight even after his body has been pierced, and his eye and brain have been pierced through)
I'm actually gonna make an update for Arima's aura since it's really apparent but shouldn't have too much of a change with this.
 
Muzan's tactic is to hide in the castle until Kaneki dies of old age

By the way, is it possible to destroy the IC from the inside?
It’d be the same reason as to why gojo muzan and sukuna would lose to Makima’s BFR. Muzan also loses nothing from doing this since he doesn’t live in the fortress. He just lives in other people’s houses lol.

I’m not sure about this one. Even this, the dimension is a blood demon art that’s actively stabilized 24/7 so the damages would probably just repair itself.
 
I'm actually gonna make an update for Arima's aura since it's really apparent but shouldn't have too much of a change with this.
Ghouls fainted when they saw him, lmao
I'll say more - Kaneki had no idea what Arima looked like and that he would be here. But as soon as he saw him from the side, he realized that he was the CCG Reaper.
 
Well until there's some scaling for BS, it is just basic

The overwhelming others scans, there's nothing beyond what Arima and the most powerful ghouls cause to others around. The fear and paralysis scans, Muichiro and Tanjiro calm themselves and are fine right after. I just don't know what that would be other than supernatural willpower or literally just calming themselves down. Same with the breathing stuff, it's a physical pressure that's induced from their BS, we see the same with Kokushibou and Yorichii, Kaneki can't be affected by a pressure only seen affecting Class 50 characters. Same with the others, all that is pain inducing or dura neg, something Kaneki is used to.

  • Supernatural Willpower (Being exhausted, he continues to fight against the enemy with the apparent God of Death. He continues to fight even after his body has been pierced, and his eye and brain have been pierced through)
I'm actually gonna make an update for Arima's aura since it's really apparent but shouldn't have too much of a change with this.
If this is worth anything. Apparently Tanjiro’s profile includes an “enhanced” resistance to fear and paralysis for not being affected by Muzan’s BS.

I genuinely do not know how resisting BS works because if it’s willpower scaling then you gets Muichiro somehow having a weak willpower to be affected by Kokushibo’s BS. Which is like the only hashira to be affected by BS at this point. The DS profiles just lists it as a resistance instead of their willpower justification too. 95% of bs is useless on Kaneki but the paralysis part is probably still relevant here.
 
No where's "which causes rapidly developing malignant cancerous tumors, destroys the nervous system"
Please reread the manga and familiarize yourself with the symptoms of ROS.
All the symptoms were described in the manga much earlier.

From Dragon's ROS, the disease progresses in seconds. We see that the soldier is paralyzed, unable to speak, and kagune growths appear on his body, which are a result of increased selection of RC cells.
Muzan's bio hax causes bodies to disintegrate in seconds if given too much blood and even with a resistance to his blood, Tanjiro was paralyzed due to pain.
This is biological deconstruction. I have already answered you on this point before.
And no, Tanjiro resisted it not because of his biology, but because of his blood vessel control
 
If this is worth anything. Apparently Tanjiro’s profile includes an “enhanced” resistance to fear and paralysis for not being affected by Muzan’s BS.

I genuinely do not know how resisting BS works because if it’s willpower scaling then you gets Muichiro somehow having a weak willpower to be affected by Kokushibo’s BS. Which is like the only hashira to be affected by BS at this point. The DS profiles just lists it as a resistance instead of their willpower justification too. 95% of bs is useless on Kaneki but the paralysis part is probably still relevant here.
Btw it’s not like Muic/hiro’s willpower is weak. He did what Go/jo couldn’t and fought like a sandwich. (So yeah I have zero idea how resisting BS works)

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Yeah none of this shows the rate of bio decon it does. We already know it's cellular, I wanna see how fast it is.
Um... Naki's Kagune disintegrated instantly and after that he couldn't form it even after replenishing his RC cells.
 
Um... Naki's Kagune disintegrated instantly and after that he couldn't form it even after replenishing his RC cells.
I see. I think there's some confusion. Are Ghouls made completely of RC cells or just their Kagune? I know Kaneki became nearly an entire Kagune so I guess this works? Just not clear enough.
 
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