Mustache Man vs Tooru

[ricatthegoat]

Yhwach vs Tooru
Both at their peak
rules:SBA
Link to Tooru's profile:https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tooru_(JoJo's_Bizarre_Adventure)
Link to Yhwach's profile:https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Yhwach
Who wins this and why?
I still don't know if this is a stomp match

 

[ricatthegoat]

bump

 

[Orioreeem]

Pretty sure Yhwatch stomps

 

[speedster352]

Yhwach wins since he has fate manipulation and low goldy manipulation(the miracle)

 

[Livinmeme]

Ywach aint affecting concepts my guy... but he can affect tooru

 

[Orioreeem]

Ywach aint affecting concepts my guy... but he can affect tooru

Yhwatc has conceptual manipulation

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Cannot be used offensively

 

[speedster352]

Cannot be used offensively

Yhwach has the schifts so he can just hax tooru to death or absorb him

 

[Shey]

Yhwach has the schifts so he can just hax tooru to death or absorb him

Tooru isn't the problem, Wonder of U is

 

[speedster352]

Tooru isn't the problem, Wonder of U is

Yeah but Yhwach has way too many haxes literally have fate manipulation, low godly regeneration(the miracle) and power mimicry and reality-warping and etc so he just out last and beats wonder of u.

 

[Livinmeme]

Yeah but Yhwach has way too many haxes literally have fate manipulation, low godly regeneration(the miracle) and power mimicry and reality-warping and etc so he just out last and beats wonder of u.

So incon???

Ywach cant affect wonder of u while wonder u cant kill or affect ywach

 

[speedster352]

So incon???

Ywach cant affect wonder of u while wonder u cant kill or affect ywach

But if he beats the stand user the stand is gone

 

[Shey]

But if he beats the stand user the stand is gone

Wonder of U doesn't disappear if Tooru dies, and will continue to exist cause it's an embodiment of Calamity, read the profile it's listed in his immortality also abstract existence

 

[Lynieryz]

Wonder of U doesn't disappear if Tooru dies, and will continue to exist cause it's an embodiment of Calamity, read the profile it's listed in his immortality also abstract existence

continuing to exist means nothing, after the user dies he just leaves like he did when josuke killed tooru and yhwach wins by BFR.

 

[speedster352]

continuing to exist means nothing, after the user dies he just leaves like he did when josuke killed tooru and yhwach wins by BFR.

Yhwach also has npi

 

[ricatthegoat]

Wonder of U doesn't disappear if Tooru dies, and will continue to exist cause it's an embodiment of Calamity, read the profile it's listed in his immortality also abstract existence

then shouldn't he win since he have L2C AP,he can just neg Wonder of U immortality and Abstract Existence by destroying the whole universe.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Why on earth would Yhwach destroy the universe in a battle? And it is through environmental destruction, so no

 

[ricatthegoat]

damn,I thought I was slick,anyways,after I looked at Gappy's profile I realized Yhwach can just destroy Wonder of U after killing Tooru just like Gappy did.

 

[ricatthegoat]

since Yhwach has NPI and absorption he could just absorp the stand tho since it's the calamity energy itself(?)

 

[Shey]

damn,I thought I was slick,anyways,after I looked at Gappy's profile I realized Yhwach can just destroy Wonder of U after killing Tooru just like Gappy did.

Josuke could only permanently put it down due to the nature of his Go Beyond bubbles that transcend the logic of the world and his calamities and hit it directly with it, without that it would still continue to exist as long as Calamities

since Yhwach has NPI and absorption he could just absorp the stand tho since it's the calamity energy itself(?)

Stand NPI is layered >ghosts(baseline NPI)

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

It is simply inconclusive who wins

 

[speedster352]

It is simply inconclusive who wins

Yhwach can win with bfr and the almighty

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

You simply repeat it 3 times won't change much

 

[Shmooply]

Yea, looks like an incon.

 

[Chariot190]

I don't give a **** about the match but there seems to be a huge misunderstanding of WoU.

Killing Tooru does literally nothing to WoU, it's not like a normal Stand, if you need a comparison, think of WoU as like Notorious Big, a Stand that will exist forever even after the host's death, it's a natural law of the universe, as long as calamity exists, so does he. He's abstract, Tooru dies? He doesn't care (or well he might care in the sense ya just killed his buddy but ya know what I mean). Killing Tooru does more harm than good, at least with Tooru around WoU has a weakpoint, killing him gets rid of it permanently.

Secondly, Gappy killed WoU using a super special power that surpasses the laws of the world in a joint combination of literally not existing + logic defying powers (making it so it's logic surpassing while also being nothing at all) allowing it to completely ignore and destroy chains of logic, which is also why WoU fled, he knows when not to risk it and he had already won (In that he got the new Rokakaka, he never cared about killing anyone, they were in his way is all), given he got what he wanted and Josuke manifested some broke ass ability that can ignore calamity, he was just like "yeah aight im out". If his opponent can't do anything to him, he won't really need to flee I guess? Not saying that's the case here but WoU doesn't just up and leave, and even if he did, it wouldn't even be self BFR because his ability is automatic and can take effect even while he's long gone. Not to mention WoU didn't even **** off after Tooru died, he just doubled down, he was trying to leave before Tooru died, not after.

Though I ain't debating this match at all I'm just pointing out WoU don't work like you think it does.

 

[Yomi_Schwarz]

Stand NPI is layered >ghosts(baseline NPI)

Bleach's NPI isn't baseline.

 

[Yomi_Schwarz]

I don't give a **** about the match but there seems to be a huge misunderstanding of WoU.

Killing Tooru does literally nothing to WoU, it's not like a normal Stand, if you need a comparison, think of WoU as like Notorious Big, a Stand that will exist forever even after the host's death, it's a natural law of the universe, as long as calamity exists, so does he. He's abstract, Tooru dies? He doesn't care (or well he might care in the sense ya just killed his buddy but ya know what I mean). Killing Tooru does more harm than good, at least with Tooru around WoU has a weakpoint, killing him gets rid of it permanently.

Secondly, Gappy killed WoU using a super special power that surpasses the laws of the world in a joint combination of literally not existing + logic defying powers (making it so it's logic surpassing while also being nothing at all) allowing it to completely ignore and destroy chains of logic, which is also why WoU fled, he knows when not to risk it and he had already won (In that he got the new Rokakaka, he never cared about killing anyone, they were in his way is all), given he got what he wanted and Josuke manifested some broke ass ability that can ignore calamity, he was just like "yeah aight im out". If his opponent can't do anything to him, he won't really need to flee I guess? Not saying that's the case here but WoU doesn't just up and leave, and even if he did, it wouldn't even be self BFR because his ability is automatic and can take effect even while he's long gone. Not to mention WoU didn't even **** off after Tooru died, he just doubled down, he was trying to leave before Tooru died, not after.

Though I ain't debating this match at all I'm just pointing out WoU don't work like you think it does.

Should I read this wall?

I am yet to finish SBR.....

 

[speedster352]

Bleach's NPI isn't baseline.

Can't yhwach just bfr tooru with the visionary?

 

[Chariot190]

Don't. Avoid spoilers if ya can (Especially as looking back, they start hinting at the concepts of "flow" and the like as early as D4C arc, just read normally).

 

[Yomi_Schwarz]

Don't. Avoid spoilers if ya can (Especially as looking back, they start hinting at the concepts of "flow" and the like as early as D4C arc, just read normally).

Im off this thread then. **** i feel like i shouldn't even have known this dudes name. Now my Jojolion exp. is a little bit ruined.

Anyways incon fra.

 

[Chariot190]

Can't yhwach just bfr tooru with the visionary?

Probably my final comment here but, for future reference, if any argument leads with "can't he just do ---- to tooru", then it's probably not worth mentioning.
Tooru is a nonfactor in matches, you may as well pretend he doesn't exist as killing him or getting rid of him is honestly beneficial for WoU if anything, and that goes for matches as a whole with him.

**** i feel like i shouldn't even have known this dudes name.

Oh wait huh, actually yeah wtf that IS a pretty massive spoiler, you AREN'T meant to know who WoU is untill quite a few volumes after.
t̵b̵h̵ ̵g̵i̵v̵e̵n̵ ̵h̵o̵w̵ ̵l̵i̵t̵t̵l̵e̵ ̵t̵o̵o̵r̵u̵ ̵h̵i̵m̵s̵e̵l̵f̵ ̵m̵a̵t̵t̵e̵r̵s̵,̵ ̵w̵e̵ ̵s̵h̵o̵u̵l̵d̵ ̵p̵r̵o̵b̵a̵b̵l̵y̵ ̵h̵a̵v̵e̵ ̵a̵ ̵s̵p̵o̵i̵l̵e̵r̵ ̵t̵a̵g̵ ̵w̵i̵t̵h̵ ̵W̵o̵U̵ ̵a̵n̵d̵ ̵i̵g̵n̵o̵r̵e̵ ̵T̵o̵o̵r̵u̵ ̵e̵n̵t̵i̵r̵e̵l̵y̵ ̵a̵s̵ ̵t̵o̵ ̵n̵o̵t̵ ̵r̵e̵v̵e̵a̵l̵ ̵t̵h̵e̵ ̵t̵w̵i̵s̵t̵ ̵

 

[speedster352]

Probably my final comment here but, for future reference, if any argument leads with "can't he just do ---- to tooru", then it's probably not worth mentioning.
Tooru is a nonfactor in matches, you may as well pretend he doesn't exist as killing him or getting rid of him is honestly beneficial for WoU if anything, and that goes for matches as a whole with him.



Oh wait huh, actually yeah wtf that IS a pretty massive spoiler, you AREN'T meant to know who WoU is untill quite a few volumes after.
t̵b̵h̵ ̵g̵i̵v̵e̵n̵ ̵h̵o̵w̵ ̵l̵i̵t̵t̵l̵e̵ ̵t̵o̵o̵r̵u̵ ̵h̵i̵m̵s̵e̵l̵f̵ ̵m̵a̵t̵t̵e̵r̵s̵,̵ ̵w̵e̵ ̵s̵h̵o̵u̵l̵d̵ ̵p̵r̵o̵b̵a̵b̵l̵y̵ ̵h̵a̵v̵e̵ ̵a̵ ̵s̵p̵o̵i̵l̵e̵r̵ ̵t̵a̵g̵ ̵w̵i̵t̵h̵ ̵W̵o̵U̵ ̵a̵n̵d̵ ̵i̵g̵n̵o̵r̵e̵ ̵T̵o̵o̵r̵u̵ ̵e̵n̵t̵i̵r̵e̵l̵y̵ ̵a̵s̵ ̵t̵o̵ ̵n̵o̵t̵ ̵r̵e̵v̵e̵a̵l̵ ̵t̵h̵e̵ ̵t̵w̵i̵s̵t̵ ̵

What about bfr wonder of u?

 

[ricatthegoat]

I don't give a **** about the match but there seems to be a huge misunderstanding of WoU.

Killing Tooru does literally nothing to WoU, it's not like a normal Stand, if you need a comparison, think of WoU as like Notorious Big, a Stand that will exist forever even after the host's death, it's a natural law of the universe, as long as calamity exists, so does he. He's abstract, Tooru dies? He doesn't care (or well he might care in the sense ya just killed his buddy but ya know what I mean). Killing Tooru does more harm than good, at least with Tooru around WoU has a weakpoint, killing him gets rid of it permanently.

Secondly, Gappy killed WoU using a super special power that surpasses the laws of the world in a joint combination of literally not existing + logic defying powers (making it so it's logic surpassing while also being nothing at all) allowing it to completely ignore and destroy chains of logic, which is also why WoU fled, he knows when not to risk it and he had already won (In that he got the new Rokakaka, he never cared about killing anyone, they were in his way is all), given he got what he wanted and Josuke manifested some broke ass ability that can ignore calamity, he was just like "yeah aight im out". If his opponent can't do anything to him, he won't really need to flee I guess? Not saying that's the case here but WoU doesn't just up and leave, and even if he did, it wouldn't even be self BFR because his ability is automatic and can take effect even while he's long gone. Not to mention WoU didn't even **** off after Tooru died, he just doubled down, he was trying to leave before Tooru died, not after.

Though I ain't debating this match at all I'm just pointing out WoU don't work like you think it does.

yeah I just realised that Yhwach cant simply one shoot WoU just like Gappy did,my bad.

 

[speedster352]

yeah I just realised that Yhwach cant simply one shoot WoU just like Gappy did,my bad.

Why can't Yhwach just absorb the wonder of u or bfr him? Just chuck the wonder of u into space and call it a day.

 

[Chariot190]

What about bfr wonder of u?

He can manifest in the vicinity of wherever there's calamity, and he can also exist in multiple locations at once (like he could be in Place A, but also in Place B at the exact same time simultaneously) so idk, I dont know how that BFR works so figure it out with the info I just gave you on if it'd do anything.

 

[ricatthegoat]

Why can't Yhwach just absorb the wonder of u or bfr him? Just chuck the wonder of u into space and call it a day.

this is what I've been thinking,since we're going with SBA rules then it should be possible for Yhwach to use his absorption power.

 

[ricatthegoat]

this is what I've been thinking,since we're going with SBA rules then it should be possible for Yhwach to use his absorption power.

does WoU have anything to counter Yhwach's absorption?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

He can manifest in the vicinity of wherever there's calamity, and he can also exist in multiple locations at once (like he could be in Place A, but also in Place B at the exact same time simultaneously) so idk, I dont know how that BFR works so figure it out with the info I just gave you on if it'd do anything.

WoU should have Multilocation btw

 

[Chariot190]

You shouldn't be asking me, definitely not the person to ask, I don't do Bleach, I'm just here for a few minutes before I go back to Elden Hours only. I don't even know how it works, but idk can Yhwach absorb concepts/abstracts or something I guess?
Even if he could would that even kill WoU? (WoU itself doesn't have any way to kill itself so idk if that'd help).
There's also WoU's own weird immortality and we know he can exist in multiple places at once so would the absorption even kill him if that absorption doesn't break the chain of logic? Tbh I don't know.

W̵o̵U̵ ̵s̵h̵o̵u̵l̵d̵n̵'̵t̵ ̵e̵v̵e̵n̵ ̵b̵e̵ ̵u̵s̵e̵d̵ ̵i̵n̵ ̵m̵a̵t̵c̵h̵e̵s̵ ̵h̵o̵n̵e̵s̵t̵l̵y̵,̵ ̵w̵e̵ ̵n̵e̵e̵d̵ ̵m̵o̵r̵e̵ ̵i̵n̵f̵o̵ ̵o̵n̵ ̵h̵i̵m̵ ̵f̵i̵r̵s̵t̵ ̵a̵n̵d̵ ̵h̵i̵s̵ ̵p̵o̵w̵e̵r̵s̵ ̵p̵r̵o̵n̵e̵ ̵t̵o̵ ̵N̵L̵F̵.̵

WoU should have Multilocation btw

Yeah, I just learned of that ability the other day when talking to Armor, when I wrote up WoU we didn't have that ability at the time so I gave him Duplication for his weird shit, of course now that we have that we gotta swap Duplication with Multilocation, I was gonna make a quick CRT the other day but figured I'd just tack it onto my Baoh CRT+Rewrite which is almost done to save time and hassle (Just need to calc him tossing a boulder and he's good to go, hoping for some neat 9-A matches with him).

 

[ricatthegoat]

You shouldn't be asking me, definitely not the person to ask, I don't do Bleach, I'm just here for a few minutes before I go back to Elden Hours only. I don't even know how it works, but idk can Yhwach absorb concepts/abstracts or something I guess?
Even if he could would that even kill WoU? (WoU itself doesn't have any way to kill itself so idk if that'd help).
There's also WoU's own weird immortality and we know he can exist in multiple places at once so would the absorption even kill him if that absorption doesn't break the chain of logic? Tbh I don't know.

W̵o̵U̵ ̵s̵h̵o̵u̵l̵d̵n̵'̵t̵ ̵e̵v̵e̵n̵ ̵b̵e̵ ̵u̵s̵e̵d̵ ̵i̵n̵ ̵m̵a̵t̵c̵h̵e̵s̵ ̵h̵o̵n̵e̵s̵t̵l̵y̵,̵ ̵w̵e̵ ̵n̵e̵e̵d̵ ̵m̵o̵r̵e̵ ̵i̵n̵f̵o̵ ̵o̵n̵ ̵h̵i̵m̵ ̵f̵i̵r̵s̵t̵ ̵a̵n̵d̵ ̵h̵i̵s̵ ̵p̵o̵w̵e̵r̵s̵ ̵p̵r̵o̵n̵e̵ ̵t̵o̵ ̵N̵L̵F̵.̵



Yeah, I just learned of that ability the other day when talking to Armor, when I wrote up WoU we didn't have that ability at the time so I gave him Duplication for his weird shit, of course now that we have that we gotta swap Duplication with Multilocation, I was gonna make a quick CRT the other day but figured I'd just tack it onto my Baoh CRT+Rewrite which is almost done to save time and hassle (Just need to calc him tossing a boulder and he's good to go, hoping for some neat 9-A matches with him).

would interdimensional range help?or can Yhwach just absorbs calamity energy since it was stated in Tooru's profile that Wonder of U is the calamity energy itself.