Muso Tensei issue

[StrymULTRA]

Basically the Muso Tensei users got Intangibility and Existence erasure because of this:

Musō Tensei is made up of nothingness, rendering Kenshiro intangible, and allows him to erase others from existence. It also prevents him from being erased as well, however it will bypass his intangibility

Shouldn't it be Type 1 NPE instead of Intangibility, since they become essentially nothing, and only EE/Void attacks can affect them?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Bump

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Non Physical Interaction has nothing to do with them. And Muso Tensei was shown to work like intangibility.

 

[StrymULTRA]

That sounds like NEP if they become absolute nothingness tho

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

That sounds like NEP if they become absolute nothingness tho

Non Physical interaction is, well interacting with something non physical. Not being non physical yourself.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Non Physical interaction is, well interacting with something non physical. Not being non physical yourself.

The technique makes the user become nothingness, that's NEP lol

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

The technique makes the user become nothingness, that's NEP lol

NEP is interacting with someone intangible

 

[Bobsican]

NEP -> Nonexistence Physiology
NPI -> Nonphysical Interaction
With that clarified, I'm neutral on this being NEP.

 

[Planck69]

If it's actually nothingness then it's a pretty clear cut case of NEP.

 

[ShivaShakti]

I agree with NEP. Seems pretty explicit.

 

[Bobsican]

For the record, this would be type 1 NEP.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

I guess it is NEP

 

[TartaChocholate]

Makes a lot of sense, by extension all those who managed to hurt Ken should get Void Manipulation to an extent (as it's listed as the weakness that bypasses the Musou Tensei)? Or would be just a potent NPI? One thing that could really help to avoid confusion though are scans to backup Musou Tensei, it's one of the few parts of Ken's profile without the manga's explanations.

 

[Planck69]

If they hurt him while he's in this form then they just have good NPI.

 

[TartaChocholate]

Gotcha. Though, there' something I am confused about. Some of Ken's older matches considered that between Ken's Type 1 NEP and simply having NPI was enough for Ken's opponent to reach Ken and for their abilities to affect him (good example is his match against Dio from Jorge Joestar and Kakashi). Is this correct or was Ken's NEP being heavily underestimated?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

You need feats of interacting with NEP Type 1. Either that or Void Manip and/or Conceptual Manip.

 

[Planck69]

Gotcha. Though, there' something I am confused about. Some of Ken's older matches considered that between Ken's Type 1 NEP and simply having NPI was enough for Ken's opponent to reach Ken and for their abilities to affect him (good example is his match against Dio from Jorge Joestar and Kakashi). Is this correct or was Ken's NEP being heavily underestimated?

Those matches just thought he was intangible. They're outdated.

 

[TartaChocholate]

Ah, alright, thanks for clearing it up. And great to finally know for sure.

 

[Planck69]

Of course, this is on the basis of this being accepted (though that seems to be the case).

 

[TartaChocholate]

I don't see the issue though. All that's needed are some backup scans and the case would be solid enough.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I don't see the issue though. All that's needed are some backup scans and the case would be solid enough.

Nonexistent Physiology (Type 1) and Existence Erasure with Musō Tensei (Musō Tensei is made up of nothingness, rendering Kenshiro intangible, and allows him to erase others from existence. It also prevents him from being erased as well, however it will bypass his intangibility)

 

[TartaChocholate]

Nonexistent Physiology (Type 1) and Existence Erasure with Musō Tensei (Musō Tensei is made up of nothingness, rendering Kenshiro intangible, and allows him to erase others from existence. It also prevents him from being erased as well, however it will bypass his intangibility)

Perfect

 

[Zencha9]

looks fine

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Looks ok

 

[StrymULTRA]

Applied the changes, and Promestein was fine too, this can be closed.