Multiplier for Ichigo and Zaraki

[IHyutto]

As we see here, Bankai increases its combat capabilities five to ten times (usually) compared to Shikai, the increase will depend on the type of Zanpaku-tô, for example, Bankai of Byakuya increases the amount of blades, of Toshiro increases the amount of Water / Ice he can manipulate and so on.

Kenpachi Zaraki
Zaraki's Bankai is not so obvious the speed increase, but even so we can see the increase.

• Although Gerard and Zaraki held o , in my opinion Gerard was still a bit superior in speed. However, when Zaraki activates his bankai, he definitely rises above Gerard in speed. Although Gerard can react to Zaraki's first charge, on the second he can doabsolutely nothing.

Kurosaki Ichigo

Bankai
In Ichigo's case, his speed increases greatly. Below I will leave actions and quotes that prove it.

• Shikai Ichigo was definitely slower than Senbonzakura, where he was easily forked and stabbed without being able to do much. However, by activating his Bankai, it is explicit that he rose above Senbonzakura's speed, being able to casually dodge her at close range, dodging all attacksof the same, and even Byakuya doubling Senbonzakura's speed, Ichigo was able to counter all of them at the same time.

• We also have Grimmjow wondering if the only thing Ichigo Bankai gives him is a speed boost, which shows that Ichigo Bankai's biggest increase is in its speed.

Hollowficatio
As quoted here, the Arrancar Resurección is almost equal to that of a Bankai in terms of increase and this is quite consistent with the speed.

• Bankai Ichigo was inferior to Grimmjow Base in speed, Ichigo was totally subdued in the first fight.
  In his second fight against Grimmjow, Ichigo dominated his Hollowficatio and rose above Grimmjow in terms of speed.
  In the third fight, Bankai Ichigo was already comparable to Base Grimmjow (Ichigo has a very good evolution). Ichigo then activates his Hollowfication and soon after, Grimmjow activates his Resurrection and they both fight on an equal footing , which shows that Ichigo's Hollowfication is similar to Resurrection in a matter of augmentation.
• This is also consistent with what is shown later when Ichigo enters HoS and simply moves without Orihime being able to see it. Orihime had already been able to follow him and intercept Yhwach's attacks.

Ichigo must have a multiplier for his Bankai and Hollowfication keys, as I showed above the multiplier is very coherent in terms of speed, for Zaraki he must have one, but I think it's hard to know how much since his is not as obvious as Ichigo's. I also believe that others with Resurección like Grimmjow, Ulquiorra should receive multipliers as well.

 

[Naeblis495]

plain wrong for ichigo's bankai just increasing speed .

we see multiple opponents casually block and no sell slashes and getsuga from shikai ichigo but then get damaged by his bankai .

same for hollow mask of course .

so he get huge boosts of speed and power , as well as potentially durability boost .

 

[IHyutto]

Yes, of course your AP goes up too, but the thing that increases the most is its speed, as Grimmjow cites.

 

[Ovy7]

Yeah, Ichigo's Bankai seem to be an allround stat increase, with speed being probably the main one. This seem to aply to Hollowfication and HoS too.

Kenpachi is physical strength with some speed increase too.

Ginjo should also be included here, considering his Shikai and Bankai/Hollowfication are a "copy" of Ichigo's.

IMO, the multiplier for those 3 should be like this:

Ichigo: Speed - 10x, as it seems to be the main stat his Bankai is concentrated on; AP/durability - 5x-7.5x; Hollowfication/HoS should be around 7.5x for speed and 5x for everything else, because Bankai > Hollowfication

Kenpachi: AP (maybe durability too) - 5x, it should be 10x but he can't use the full potential of his Bankai; speed - 5x

Ginjo: IMO, Ginjo should get the minimum 5x for AP, speed, and durability, as his Bankai was inferiour to Ichigo's

I don't think there are other characters that gain a direct stat boos from Bankai.

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

Yeah...I think that has something to do with it being a Fake Bankai...I mean heck when Ichigo first uses his True Bankai he doesn't actually seem to get a noticeable speed boost

 

[Ovy7]

Well, he barely got the chance to use his True Bankai, not to mention that he was fighting SK Yhwach with Almighty on, any speed boost probably won't be noticeable in a fight at that lvl.

 

[IHyutto]

Ichigo had almost no chance of using his True Bankai, Yhwach simply stabbed him from the start and when he used it to finish Yhwach, he had already stolen enough of his powers which may have influenced him as well.

 

[Zezu1995]

i made a post like this already most agreed to use 7 as the multiplier since its right in the middle

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

Yeah but what's one of the first things that happens to Ichigo at that point ? He´s get ting Blitzed by Yhwach

 

[Ovy7]

Yeah, but isn't the destruction of his Bankai basically reducing his power massively?

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

Yeah but just just so recently ?

 

[Damage3245]

> Ichigo: Speed - 10x, as it seems to be the main stat his Bankai is concentrated on; AP/durability - 5x-7.5x; Hollowfication/HoS should be around 7.5x for speed and 5x for everything else, because Bankai > Hollowfication

Something like this just seems to be pure head canon.

We can't just arbitrarily multiply different stats by different amounts for no reason.

 

[IHyutto]

Yeah but what's one of the first things that happens to Ichigo at that point ? He´s get ting Blitzed by Yhwach

All of this because of A, Yhwach is attacking for the future, no matter how fast he is, he can do nothing against it.

 

[IHyutto]

We know that the speed multiplier is at least 3x, since even Byakuya doubling Senbonzakura's speed couldn't hit Ichigo.

I believe one:

Speed: Relativistic | At least Relativistic+ with Merged Hollow Form | Possibly FTL with Merged Hollow Form.

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

We know that the speed multiplier is at least 3x, since even Byakuya doubling Senbonzakura's speed couldn't hit Ichigo.
I believe one:

Speed: Relativistic | At least Relativistic+ with Merged Hollow Form | Possibly FTL with Merged Hollow Form.

And his final Speed at the end of the series ? Since he gets his stolen powers back ?

 

[IHyutto]

In this case, this would be your full speed, as it is counting the ups of Bankai and Merged Hollow Form

 

[IHyutto]

Could anyone ask Bleach team members to comment here?

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

> Ichigo: Speed - 10x, as it seems to be the main stat his Bankai is concentrated on; AP/durability - 5x-7.5x; Hollowfication/HoS should be around 7.5x for speed and 5x for everything else, because Bankai > Hollowfication

Something like this just seems to be pure head canon.

We can't just arbitrarily multiply different stats by different amounts for no reason.

I agree with Damage here, it should just be 5 times all around for a safe lowball.

However, your thread leaves out the fact that Resurreccion is similar to Bankai as stated by Urahara.

That and that Ichigo's Bankai increases his AP and durability as well.

 

[IHyutto]

I quoted the Resurrection thing:

Hollowficatio

• As quoted here, the Arrancar Resurección is almost equal to that of a Bankai in terms of increase and this is quite consistent with the speed.

And yes, I know that Bankai increases AP and durability, I just pointed out that the biggest increase is in its speed.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

I agree that Ichigo's Bankai multiplier is very clearly a boost in speed and attack power. We also know it's usually 5-10, I find it unlikely his is the lowest possible one of 5 but it's whatever.

As for Kenpachi his is mostly in Power I'd say considering his body can't rven hold it without breaking down.

 

[IHyutto]

Yes, although Kenpachi's Bankai increases its speed, the biggest increase is in its power.

 

[Sekkonds.]

So you agreed to use x5 multiplier for ichigo's speed,Ap with bankai?

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

These multipliers cant be applied. Ichigo gets a boost of far more than 5x with his shikai to bankai.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

??? I mean, if you have proof then I can safely say we will happily accept them but the x5 is a lowball as we know that it is at least superior to Kageyoshi while Byakuya uses his hands which is x3.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Ichigo goes from 7-A to High 6-C in Bankai, which is far more than a 5x boosr.

 

[Sekkonds.]

I just checked his profile and both shikai/bankai are 7-A

Unless u mean hollow mask?

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

His fourth key says 7-A, High 6-C with Bankai and Hollow mask.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Looking at Ichigos profile, is it possible to fuse any of his keys or remove some?

 

[Damage3245]

Could probably combine his last three keys to be honest.

 

[IHyutto]

Ichigo goes from 7-A to High 6-C in Bankai, which is far more than a 5x boosr.

But this is your AP and not speed.

The speed multipliers proved to be very consistent throughout the work.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Ichigo isn't simply 7-A, High 6-C for his Arrancar/HM arc key. He continuously gets stronger as it progresses as seen with Ulq, Grimm, Dordonni etc. The rating Ichigo has takes his Mask and Bankai at their best but his Shikai as having not improved at all despite the fights improving him as a whole when it would just scale backwards from his Bankai using the multiplier.

 

[Ovy7]

^ That. Ichigo in the Arrancar arcs improves massively, so much so that you can easily make at least 4 key out of the original AA key. How much his Shikai improved is unknown, as he was using Bankai/Hollowfication for most of the fights, but you can probably use FB Shikai Ichigo as a max point (who currently has a feat that's almost High 6-C), as IIRC, there's some quote in a novel about the Shinigamis wanting to make Ichigo as strong as he was before (likely before becoming a trancendental being).

 

[IHyutto]

So is this good to go? How can it be applied?

 

[AnonymousBlank]

We need some staff to accept it.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Ichigo needs like 3 keys for Arrancar Arc lol.

Beginning of the arc Grimmjow stomps Bankai Ichigo without even pulling out his Zanpakuto. Final fight they're equal.

The beginning of the invasion on Las Noches, Ulquiorra one-shots Bankai Ichigo using his mask with a Cero. In their final fight Bankai Ichigo tanks a Cero from Ulquiorra.

 

[IHyutto]

We need some staff to accept it.

Could you ask them to comment here please?

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

I think the AP revisions and his keys should be sorted before we do this multiplier revision.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

This would be the AP revision and key change.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

This would be the AP revision and key change.

So what other calcs are there to either clac or apply?

 

[Ovy7]

This would be the AP revision and key change.

So what other calcs are there to either clac or apply?

Probably those ones:

Contents
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1. Island level: 6-C
2. Large Island level: High 6-C
3. Small Country level: Low 6-B
4. Country level: 6-B
5. Continent level: 6-A
6. Multi-Continent level: High 6-A

Island level: 6-C
Fullbring Ichigo's Cloud Split

Large Island level: High 6-C
Yama destroying Karakura Tow, Gran Rey Cero (Accepted), Toshiro's Hyoten Hyakkaso

Small Country level: Low 6-B
Normal Cero, One fragor

Country level: 6-B
Aizen's Ultra Fragor, Urahara's Hado 99 (Accepted), Cero Oscuras

Continent level: 6-A
Bankai Yama Vaping Soul Society (Accepted)

Multi-Continent level: High 6-A
Ulquiorra's Lanza