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MUI Goku New Powers?
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We need to calculate how fast is Goku at this point.
A suppressed Beerus fighting SSG Goku was around 54 Quadrillion Times FTL
SSJ Kefla blitzing SSG (at least 200 Quadrillion Times FTL)
UIO blitzing SS2 Kefla (at least 1.6 Quintillion Times FTL)
MUI dodging Jiren (over 3 Quintillion Times FTL)
P.S I considered 4x speed as speed-blitzing
A suppressed Beerus fighting SSG Goku was around 54 Quadrillion Times FTL
SSJ Kefla blitzing SSG (at least 200 Quadrillion Times FTL)
UIO blitzing SS2 Kefla (at least 1.6 Quintillion Times FTL)
MUI dodging Jiren (over 3 Quintillion Times FTL)
P.S I considered 4x speed as speed-blitzing
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But you need to remember that MUI allow Goku to dodge and attack without thinking, so it is faster reaction, not overall movement speed. I admit that MUI Goku is faster and stronger but Instinctive Reaction also allow him to reacting and attacking fasterJackJoyce said:
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Supressed Beerus was only agreed to be hundreds of trillions of times faster than light, and these calculations are flawed.JackJoyce said:
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MUI Goku did more than just dodge Jiren, he did this.
https://youtu.be/td5DKDqtzX0?t=1m43s
Even without cutting it by frames, that's at least like 15 attacks (probably closer to 50 or so, there's 4 stripes per frame) that Jiren couldn't even vaguely react to and MUI looked perfectly still while he was doing it.
https://youtu.be/td5DKDqtzX0?t=1m43s
Even without cutting it by frames, that's at least like 15 attacks (probably closer to 50 or so, there's 4 stripes per frame) that Jiren couldn't even vaguely react to and MUI looked perfectly still while he was doing it.
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Goku & Vegeta only got a recent power up after Jiren's beating. Zamasu arc Vegito will do
Zamasu Arc Vegito would easily die to Kefla.
Zamasu Arc Vegito would easily die to Kefla.
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He is only 3-A and she is Low 2-C. He doesn't have any hax to make up for the power gap.
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He doesn't need any new abilities. If he demonstrates more impressive feats next week, then we'll give those to him. Otherwise all it is is just an extension of the power he already has, which is already explained in his "Techniques" section. A page for full Ultra Instinct might be useful though, as UIO already has one.
Also @Jack
While Vegetto was compared to Beerus in the manga, and displayed impressive power in the anime, via powerscaling he would lose to Kefla, as Kefla was comparable to UIO Goku. Thus, she's somewhat comparable to Beerus. While in the manga, Vegetto may be superior, in the anime he gets no statements that put him explicitly near Beerus' level.
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Such threads are not allowed.
Also @Jack
While Vegetto was compared to Beerus in the manga, and displayed impressive power in the anime, via powerscaling he would lose to Kefla, as Kefla was comparable to UIO Goku. Thus, she's somewhat comparable to Beerus. While in the manga, Vegetto may be superior, in the anime he gets no statements that put him explicitly near Beerus' level.
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Such threads are not allowed.
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Anyway, regarding the video, I counted the frames.The Alpha said:
It's 75 attacks, based on the amount of blows it seems like he's using in each frame (which varies from 1 to 4). Jiren could barely react and could only cry out in pain.
If it were to be quantified he'd be at least a couple times faster than a suppressed Jiren, and that's not entirely true. Honestly closer to a few dozen.
You mean threads concerning the power of Vegito or a battle between Kefla and Vegito?Aeyu said:
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@Jack
That and we don't count statements made in the manga, or else he would be Low 2-C.
You could also argue that SSJG Goku was far stronger in ToP than SSJB KK Goku in the Black arc, so...
@Alpha
Threads about Vegetto being Low 2-C. The latter would simply be closed due to being a stomp.
That and we don't count statements made in the manga, or else he would be Low 2-C.
You could also argue that SSJG Goku was far stronger in ToP than SSJB KK Goku in the Black arc, so...
@Alpha
Threads about Vegetto being Low 2-C. The latter would simply be closed due to being a stomp.
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We're not gonna speed stack like that.
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@Jack
Well yes. A casual Beerus has shown to match 3/4 of a casual Whis. But that's the only speed feat which is usable. Whis has shown to be much faster when serious but nobody scales to it except the angels.
Well yes. A casual Beerus has shown to match 3/4 of a casual Whis. But that's the only speed feat which is usable. Whis has shown to be much faster when serious but nobody scales to it except the angels.
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That'd be calc stacking.
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72 quadrillion c was a feat performed by Whis when he said he was flying as fast as he could.
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Nah, it was a casual feat as he didn't shed a single drop of sweat.TheHadouCyberspaceWitch said:
Later in episode 69, he flew much faster and said - "I have never gone so fast before", and was actually sweating a little.
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IDK but I actually made a detailed thread for some minor revisions and everybody seem to agree with the points. (I removed the points which were discarded by Ryukama and Promestein but the rest are fine).
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May as well.
Though I'll give you a bit of trivia.
Using hypothetical speeds like Jiren going 2m/s in that scene, the time Jiren takes to stop himself from moving takes about as much time as it takes for Goku to strike Jiren 75~ times. He took a fraction of a second to stop himself and Goku could attack him 400 times faster than that one action. This is assuming Goku doesn't physically move over to Jiren, and lowballing the distance that some strikes appeared to have traveled (based on their trails, anyway).
Admittedly cinematic timing can **** it up, but if it stays consistent with the rest of the scene up until Jiren's blasted away, it's alright. Though amateurish as ****, I have very little experience with this.
But oh well.
Though I'll give you a bit of trivia.
Using hypothetical speeds like Jiren going 2m/s in that scene, the time Jiren takes to stop himself from moving takes about as much time as it takes for Goku to strike Jiren 75~ times. He took a fraction of a second to stop himself and Goku could attack him 400 times faster than that one action. This is assuming Goku doesn't physically move over to Jiren, and lowballing the distance that some strikes appeared to have traveled (based on their trails, anyway).
Admittedly cinematic timing can **** it up, but if it stays consistent with the rest of the scene up until Jiren's blasted away, it's alright. Though amateurish as ****, I have very little experience with this.
But oh well.
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Alpha, that's Calc Stacking.
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I'm using hypothetical speeds of 2m/s against a timeframe in the scene, not neccessarily how fast Jiren reacted, in order to get a factor. It's just that the timeframe for Jiren stopping his momentum and Goku beating the absolute shit out of him are almost identical. So unless it uses cinematic timing, I'm not actually scaling on his reaction time.
Furthermore, I'm also using several guesses like Jiren's distance from Goku (whom which I guessed more on if Goku could reach him by lying down and then went a bit beyond that) as I'm not good with calculating perspective. This plays a part in the timeframe after Goku intercepts him. Then his actual attack goes on for a little while longer, but not much. This is all done using cues in the scene, and the actual timeframe of Goku's attack scaled to the time it takes Jiren to cross a certain distance. Has nothing to do with reaction times.
It's not a calc you should use because of that. But I think it's fair to say that he's at least a dozen times faster, otherwise it's impossible to pull that feat.
Furthermore, I'm also using several guesses like Jiren's distance from Goku (whom which I guessed more on if Goku could reach him by lying down and then went a bit beyond that) as I'm not good with calculating perspective. This plays a part in the timeframe after Goku intercepts him. Then his actual attack goes on for a little while longer, but not much. This is all done using cues in the scene, and the actual timeframe of Goku's attack scaled to the time it takes Jiren to cross a certain distance. Has nothing to do with reaction times.
It's not a calc you should use because of that. But I think it's fair to say that he's at least a dozen times faster, otherwise it's impossible to pull that feat.
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