Moon=Millenniummon vs Arceus

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Again Moon can regenerate from nothing. Nothing you showed changes that. Arceus has never shown to have Void Manipulation on the level of Pontos.

 

[Reppuzan]

As Dragon stated, Arceus has no Void Manipulation feats of that level, as his best feat is erasing a bunch of boulders from existence.

Moon should have no problem taking Arceus's attacks, given that he basically laughed off the combined might of the Digimon Sovereigns, who command time, space, and reality on the same level as Dialga and Palkia.

 

[XBlackExcellenceX]

As Dragon stated, Arceus has no Void Manipulation feats of that level, as his best feat is erasing a bunch of boulders from existence.

Arceus also scales from the Creation Trio. Who can convert universes into nothingness, but it really doesn't matter.

 

[Reppuzan]

@XBlackExcellenceX

The combined might of the Digimon Sovereigns can do the exact same, so we're back at square one.

 

[XBlackExcellenceX]

I know, I was just stating Arceus has more impressive void manipulation feats than the boulders.

 

[The_Everlasting]

@Black

Scaling doesn't work like that.

 

[Magi_Hussie]

Again Moon can regenerate from nothing. Nothing you showed changes that. Arceus has never shown to have Void Manipulation on the level of Pontos.

Shouldn't Moon already have immunity over Void Manipulation so it wouldn't work on him? Also, Arceus has resistance negation that might this option possible.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

What resistances can he negate. What resistances would he negate?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I thought this was derailed for a second. I was planning for this to head into inconclusive, considering I like both, Digimon and Pokemon, but I'm surprised at the minor downplay.

 

[Magi_Hussie]

What resistances can he negate. What resistances would he negate?

Everything Moon is resistant to.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Magi

Somehow I heavily doubt we should rely on Pokemon Trozei's game mechanics, especially due to the fact that the game's systems have nothing to do with the main series and do not depict what Pokemon are actually capable of.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Ah. I see. So Digimon is allowed to have everything and the kitchen sink be canon unless stated otherwise but Pokemon isn't. Seems legit.

Just kidding, Rep. I don't care. I was being a dick because it's kinda fun as a joke.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Cal howard

I was seriously about to rant at you until I read the second line.

But yeah, I'm not sure if a spin-off game with mechanics more similar to Candy Crush than the mainstream Pokemon games should be used to determine powers.

 

[Magi_Hussie]

Ah. I see. So Digimon is allowed to have everything and the kitchen sink be canon unless stated otherwise but Pokemon isn't. Seems legit.
Just kidding, Rep. I don't care. I was being a dick because it's kinda fun as a joke.

^ The first part you said is basically me sometimes when I usually have debates w/ Digimon fans.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

That's just the thing, though. Digimon (and Transformers) abide by the "everything is canon somewhere" principle. From stuff as minor as TCG descriptions to as major as anime series, it's all canon. Even movies, obscure adaptations and V-PET stuff is canon to their own respective timelines.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

In all seriousness, I kinda agree for like everyone but Arceus. Because after a long time searching, most of them are not combat applicable in the slightest. Arceus is like the only one who can possibly be translated into battle.

 

[DaFritzi]

Does mid-godly regen work if you are erased alongside your universe? Where would you regenerate if it worked? I though it's reserved for high-godly to be regenerated from the reality you are within being destroyed.

Regardless, Mille should not be able to regenerate if Arceus destroyes every universe in the Multiverse. Standard Battle Assumptions means our universe will be used and our universe if theorized to be finite, so it's possible for Arceus to do so. Furthermore Arceus can exist in a void while from what I know Mille cannot. This way Arceus can get rid of Mille. Not sure, but Moon might be able to exist in a void via transcending spacetime.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

We'd have to define "reality" in this case. And with SBA this would mean that the Multiverse is Infinite seeing as the Digimon verse is confirmed to be infinite.....So Arceus can NOT destroy every universe. Even Moon can't do that. Plus Moon transcends space-time as is.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Where is it said that Moon transcends space time again? All I know is he can "fly through the worlds of time", but I don't recall him actually transcending space and time.

 

[DaFritzi]

So SBA basically looks at both bombatants verses and takes the size of whatever verse is bigger as the size for the battlefield? In that case the SBA page should be updated as it suggests our universe as battlefield.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

We'd have to define what "reality" is in that case. I doubt Moon will die as long as their are timelines in the multiverse.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

So SBA basically looks at both bombatants verses and takes the size of whatever verse is bigger as the size for the battlefield? In that case the SBA page should be updated as it suggests our universe as battlefield.

We take it by a case-by case basis.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Where is it said that Moon transcends space time again? All I know is he can "fly through the worlds of time", but I don't recall him actually transcending space and time.

I vaguely remember you asking that on a thread before. You got an answer but I don't remember said thread...

 

[DaFritzi]

Case-by-case ok. A standard would be desirable though.

The part about being erased alongside the universe was rather concerning Mille. I agree that a Multi-Universal being like Moon should survive as long there are timelines.

 

[Machspyder]

The entire Mille line also scales off from Apocalymo which I don't see mentioned here. Because Mille created Apocalymon. Apocalymon's true existence is darkness itself, can create blackholes that can swallow galaxies, even if it is defeated it can execute and destroy 2 universes with his suicide attack, use any and all attacks of the Digimon whose souls were used for his creation, copy attacks, create an infinite dimension of darkness which erases everything to nothingness (this dimension also apparently has multiple layers), he can also drag entire universes into this dimension and wipe out their existence, warps spacetime just by existing, can revive Digimon (makes them even stronger than the originals in some cases), weaker evolution like Mephismon can transcend dimensions, create Digimon such as the Dark Masters, etc. Apocalymon should also be >>> Four Holy Beasts. Mille itself was stated to be beyond them anyways.

In MoonMille's world, multiple Apocalymon exist as mere fodder and he is effectively all powerful there, able to weaken his opponents as he pleases. I doubt existence erasure or spacetime erasure will work, multiple weaker Digimon including Apocalymon can do that and MoonMille is easily beyond them.

In Digimo, not only is there superdimensional spacetime (beyond the normal flow of spacetime which exists outside the universe), there are also multiple realms and dimensions connecting infinite universes and beyond concepts of time and space like the Quantum Sea and Infinite Space, the space between universes which is infinite, the space between zones which atomizes everything, the networks, etc. The entire Mille line can travel to any of these worlds, dimensions and locations without issue. Mille itself can destroy time, space, the universe and manipulate them to his liking. Plus his existence itself can be said to have been birthed in a void. So existing in a void wouldn't be much of a problem.

Since it was requested:

This spirit shintai Digimon exists in the world in the heart of Millenniummo. Its dark heart transforms into a Digimon, and its shape seems to alter with hatred and anger. Also, physical attacks cannot be used because it has no substance. It is freed from its hontai when defeated and is said to exceed space-time and revive itself. Its special technique Death Crystal cuts up the heart of the enemy.

A mentally formed Digimon that exists deep within Millenniummon's subconscious. Because Millenniummon bears a shadowy mind, this Digimon doesn't have a fixed shape. Although it often takes on a crystallized shape, it is able to seemingly change its shape due to its anger and hatred of its enemies. Moreover, because it is mentally formed, it doesn't have a pure body, so physical attacks have no effect on it. To defeat Moon=Millenniummon, you first have to defeat Millenniummon, and Digimon who are able to do both might hardly exist. Moreover, even if Millenniummon is defeated by chance, it will separate from the injured body, and it is said that it will exceed time and space before reviving himself. It is said that its special attack of "Death Crystal" doesn't cause any physical damage; rather, its destructive power comes from slashing the minds of hostile Digimon to bits.

 

[Hazerddex]

Moon=Millenniummon for reasons above you can't kill Moon=Millenniummon breaking the crystal in any shape or form would turn it into Zeed and i strongly doubt Arceus is on the level Zeed is o

 

[DaFritzi]

Turning into Zeed is prohibited by the OP, this is most likely running towards inconclusive

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

@Hazer We don't allow that ability since it would make all Moon fights one-sided and stompy.

 

[NeoZex6399]

Moon is not allowed to become Zeed in this battle, for obvious reasons...


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[Dragonmasterxyz]

Matter of fact it is not allowed period. Look at Moon's note.

 

[Hazerddex]

@Hazer We don't allow that ability since it would make all Moon fights one-sided and stompy.

so its basicly Arceus vs gaint space fetus?

 

[MugenRyu]

No It's Arceus Vs Gaint Digital Worm

 

[Magi_Hussie]

Moon=Millenniummon for reasons above you can't kill Moon=Millenniummon breaking the crystal in any shape or form would turn it into Zeed and i strongly doubt Arceus is on the level Zeed is o

Arceus has a chance against sealed Zeed but unsealed Zeed is too overpowered for Arceus.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Magi

He only has a chance against Digimon World: Dawn and Dusk's version of Zeed. Mainstream Zeed just eats Arceus as a snack.

 

[Magi_Hussie]

@Magi
He only has a chance against Digimon World: Dawn and Dusk's version of Zeed. Mainstream Zeed just eats Arceus as a snack.

Arceus can become intangible & phase through their absorption.

 

[PaChi2]

@Magi Mainstream Zeed is one tier above arceus.

 

[XBlackExcellenceX]

Magi makes some sense. Non-Corporeality makes Zeed absorption irrelevant and Arceus existed before the concept of souls. But Zeed is still infinitely stronger with incredible resistances.

 

[Magi_Hussie]

@Magi Mainstream Zeed is one tier above arceus.

Yes, Unsealed Zeed is possibly one tier above Arceus but sealed Zeed isn't.

 

[Magi_Hussie]

Magi makes some sense. Non-Corporeality makes Zeed absorption irrelevant and Arceus existed before the concept of souls. But Zeed is still infinitely stronger with incredible resistances.

Apparently, Arceus Resistance Negation can remove Zeed's resistances.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Magi RobloxG

For the record, mainstream sealed Zeed can affect an infinite number of universes while Arceus can only affect a finite number. Only Dawn and Dusk's Zeed is 2-C via scaling to the heroes in order for the fight to make sense.

I'm still rather opposed the idea of Resistance Negation when Arceus's only known showing of it is through a Pokemon Candy Crush/Puzzle and Dragons-style game that has next to no mechanics from the main series.