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Monster Hunter Upgrade

I feel like Kirin should more be considered Mountain level or more likely Large Mountain/Small Island level, due to being weaker than Rajang and Deviljho which are probably gonna be Island level.

The other Minor Elder Dragons like Teostra and Kushala should however be Island level like Rajang and Jho.
 
I disagree. In the Ecology and Lore blog, Kirin is stated to not only be far stronger then simple Large Monsters, but still be comparable to other Elder Dragons, meaning that it should likely get the scaling from an Elder Dragon Level monster [[1]]. Plus, while Rajang DOES prey on Kirin, the Kirin is still capable of dealing enough damage to force Rajang into rage mode with only a few bolts of lightning [[2]].
 
Also, Rajang doesn't take damage from Thunder, so not sure if those lightning bolts actually hurt him.

And should MHO really be considered canon? Seeing as how it isn't made by Capcom.

But, whatever. Let's figure that out later and just get this upgrade through already. Don't want to have it take even longer.
 
Yeah, we should definitely get someone to look over it all...

But regardless, Kirin is stated to have equal power to other Elder Dragons (who would undeniably get the Island Level scaling), manages to make Rajang stagger backwards with lightning attacks, and is also the reason why Rajang has electric powers in the first place (Rajang eats Kirin in order to obtain and strengthen it's electric attacks and such) [[1]].
 
Also, Dalamadur might be above Island level as it has been stated to be capable of causing "crustal movement".

[[1]]
 
I've messaged Darkanine and weekly about the thread, hopefully they will be able to find the time to look at this for us.
 
So what are the summarised conclusions here?
 
GimmyJibbsJr said:
@Jordan Essentially, all normal monsters/Monsters that are not Elder Dragons or on the level of an Elder Dragon are roughly Town Level due to scaling to Agnaktor who can cause volcanic eruptions, destroy whole villages, and increase volcanic activity in it's fights with other monsters (although monsters like Great Jaggi and the like are significantly weaker). They also scale to Aganktor's speed, which is roughly Mach 14-Mach 29 for being able to travel to Magma Chambers in a desert in about 1 second (that's 5-10 kilometers in a second)

The weaker elder Dragons (Kirin, Teostra, Kushala Daora) and Elder Dragon Level monsters (Deviljho, Rajang, some Deviants and Akantor) are to be considered Island Level due to scaling to Hellblade Glavenus, who has been stated to vaporize entire mountains with ease and because of this feat is oncsidered to be equal to the likes of Deviljho and Rajang. These monsters are Massively Hypersonic+ due to some scaling to Kirin who moves at speeds comparable to lightning. It should be noted however that Kirin should still be the fastest amongst these low-level Elder Dragons/Elder Dragon-Level monsters, but they are all roughly comparable to it due to scaling to Rajang, who can prey on Kirin.

Some of the stronger monsters (Zorah, Fatalis, Alatreon, Crimson Fatalis, Dire Miralis) are roughly Continent Level due to Zorah causing Tectonic Movement and apparently containing enough bio energy to destroy the New World according to a post previously made on this thread. The reason why all of those other monsters scale to Zorah's Continent Level is because they are supposed to be the strongest monsters in the series, classified as "Dangerous First Class Monsters".

This last part is not really confirmed yet, but we are trying to see if we can buff the strongest mosnters and the Hunter's strongest variation to Speed of Light or FTL in terms of speed thanks to Dalamadur's "meteors" coming from the sun to Earth in only a few seconds and Garuba Daora literally shooting light at the Hunter. This last part is not accepted as of yet, but we'll be working on that and trying to see what we can do.

I THINK that sums up the bulk of what we've talked about here.
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This, pretty much. So, a very large amount of changes.

But, also some additions of keys due to several pages missing other forms of monsters.

And we aren't completely certain yet about the Low Tiers yet. Currently those would include Tetsucabra and Great Jaggi.
 
Aight, I think it would be best to create the page for the monster which has the form that causes that entire Island level upgrade.

So, can these upgrades start being applied? Or do more admins have to agree on it first?
 
Well, if Weekly and Darkanine have not replied, I suppose that I will have to do.
 
Anyway, I think that you can apply the statistics changes, yes.
 
No problem.
 
Sorry for being late. Yesterday was a busy day for me.

Most the changes seem fine, but I don't think monsters like Great Jaggy or any other of the fodder bosses should remotely scale to the Town feats (I know they're probably not, but still). However, causing tectonic activity isn't necessarily 6-A since AFAIK, tectonic calcs have bee calculated at 6-C to 6-B in the past. Destroying the New World should be fine as a 6-A feat though.
 
>Zorah causing Tectonic Movement and apparently containing enough bio energy to destroy the New World according to a post previously made on this thread.

Only when dying. Dying while being within a very specific location.
 
So Zorah gets At Least Island Level just like most other Elder Dragons do now

What about Dalamadur and Raviente though? According to Dinoman's post above, they're considered monsters capable of "crustal movement". Is that also something that can vary to 6-C at the least (If so, then they can just sit at Island Level along with the other Elder Dragons)?
 
I am fine with Darkanine's analysis.
 
So, for fodder monsters, I think they should scale to Tetsucabra with its rock-breaking feats. I've asked for calcs on Tetsu's feats but got nothing for them yet.

So, At least 6-C, possibly 6-B for Zorah, Dalamadur and Raviente?

And At least Low 6-B, likely higher for the DFCM like regular Fatalis, Crimson Fatalis, Alatreon, Mephristophelin and Dire Miralis. And the At least 5-B for White Fatalis, Disufiroa and Shantien?
 
DFCMs should be 6-B if there are other monsters at 6-B, since the DFCMs are supposed to be the strongest monsters in the franchise and such. 5-B only extends to White Fatty, Disu and Shantien.
 
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