Momoshiki Upgrade

[fandom_100th_Hokage]

I agree that the Temari statement is always misinterpreted to dismiss the databooks lol

The kanji for it can even mean society

 

[Kingomanoki]

The Temari statement says "the fierce tornado that blows away the universe" how do you interpret this as saying "Temari has the power to blow away the universe" it's literally a metaphor but people still use it to discredit the databook for some odd reason.

 

[PowerToScale]

Yeah, but I feel like it's common sence which sentences are hype texts and which ones aren't. Like Temari blowing away the universe (Blowing away everyone with her skills and abilitys, not lierally). Kinshiki splitting worlds (Idk, he is fairly close to those levels of power and has been consuming planetary levels of chakra with momo).

Eitherway, that's another topic for another day

 

[Padaruyos]

The Temari statement says "the fierce tornado that blows away the universe" how do you interpret this as saying "Temari has the power to blow away the universe" it's literally a metaphor but people still use it to discredit the databook for some odd reason.

There's also some other exaggerations I think. Like a statement that half Kurama inside Naruto can turn the planet into Ash (That's probably a 5-A feat) or Itachi's light speed water bullets.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

There's also some other exaggerations I think. Like a statement that half Kurama inside Naruto can turn the planet into Ash (That's probably a 5-A feat) or Itachi's light speed water bullets.

Well it wouldn't be an outlier if we scale kurama to Hashi and Madara who are high 6-A.

And 13 year old itachi has an FTL feat lol.

 

[fandom_100th_Hokage]

There's also some other exaggerations I think. Like a statement that half Kurama inside Naruto can turn the planet into Ash (That's probably a 5-A feat) or Itachi's light speed water bullets.

Itachi was stated lightspeed in the databooks several times weird coincidence lol especially considering he has a feat.

 

[Battler356ushiromiya]

Adult versions are definitely weaker since kurama says that Naruto has become dull and rusty in the sarada gaiden. Momoshike has statements of him being stronger than kaguya but lacks the feats, like Kaguya's etsb, her constantly dimension hopping which momo couldn't do and needed chakra pills for that etc, momo got killed by a rasengan from borito powered up by naruto

 

[fandom_100th_Hokage]

There's also some other exaggerations I think. Like a statement that half Kurama inside Naruto can turn the planet into Ash (That's probably a 5-A feat) or Itachi's light speed water bullets.

Well it wouldn't be an outlier if we scale kurama to Hashi and Madara who are high 6-A.

And 13 year old itachi has an FTL feat lol.

Who scales to the juubi lol. Who's chakra in the first form was shown to be comparable to the planet and growing

 

[fandom_100th_Hokage]

Adult versions are definitely weaker since kurama says that Naruto has become dull and rusty in the sarada gaiden. Momoshike has statements of him being stronger than kaguya but lacks the feats, like Kaguya's etsb, her constantly dimension hopping which momo couldn't do and needed chakra pills for that etc, momo got killed by a rasengan from borito powered up by naruto

He lacks feats, damn someone missed this thread. Also being rusty doesn't mean you less potent.

 

[PowerToScale]

I'm pretty sure it was only battle senses that got rusty. which doesn't inherently mean power

 

[Battler356ushiromiya]

Not to mention their adult versions don't even use their big attacks as they were in their teen selves,they're now totally dependent upon physical fights most of the time.

 

[Padaruyos]

Well it wouldn't be an outlier if we scale kurama to Hashi and Madara who are high 6-A.

And 13 year old itachi has an FTL feat lol.

Full Kurama sound reasonable, but the databook is talking about the Kurama inside Naruto. Which is only half.

Wait really? What did Itachi do exactly?

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Adult versions are definitely weaker since kurama says that Naruto has become dull and rusty in the sarada gaiden. Momoshike has statements of him being stronger than kaguya but lacks the feats, like Kaguya's etsb, her constantly dimension hopping which momo couldn't do and needed chakra pills for that etc, momo got killed by a rasengan from borito powered up by naruto

Boruto's Rasengan was almost entirely powered by Naruto. Momo does dimension hop and created dimensions just like Kaguya. And was stated in every medium and by Sasuke to be stronger. Being rusty doesn't mean weaker it just means he lost his battle sense and isn't at his best from all the desk work lol

 

[fandom_100th_Hokage]

Not to mention their adult versions don't even use their big attacks as they were in their teen selves,they're now totally dependent upon physical fights most of the time.

Maybe because Naruto is so strong he doesn't need it. He literally doesn't rely on shadow clones anymore. In the last half his kcm1 is quite frankly moon level+ to planet level.

 

[Padaruyos]

Not to mention their adult versions don't even use their big attacks as they were in their teen selves,they're now totally dependent upon physical fights most of the time.

That's probably because most fights Naruto was in he's either fighting a Chakra absorber or he's fighting inside the village.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Full Kurama sound reasonable, but the databook is talking about the Kurama inside Naruto. Which is only half.

Wait really? What did Itachi do exactly?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:TataHakai/FTL_Itachi

Also half kurama is still gonna probably be high 6A if he's scaling to hashi and Madara

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

That's probably because most fights Naruto was in he's either fighting a Chakra absorber or he's fighting inside the village.

Exactly lol

 

[LordTracer]

Well, Madara did say his Perfect Susano'o rivals the Bijuu, after all. So High 6-A Kurama doesn't seem that out of the question. That could also make Low 5-B Juubi consistent.

 

[fandom_100th_Hokage]

Full Kurama sound reasonable, but the databook is talking about the Kurama inside Naruto. Which is only half.

Wait really? What did Itachi do exactly?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:TataHakai/FTL_Itachi

Also half kurama is still gonna probably be high 6A if he's scaling to hashi and Madara

Kurama Avatar is potential stronger than the full normal kurama via B's statements.

 

[PowerToScale]

That's probably because most fights Naruto was in he's either fighting a Chakra absorber or he's fighting inside the village.

The only times they used such attacks against momo were when they had to port naruto around so they could stitch up momo and and when Sasuke switched his chakra attacks with kunais to avoid absortion. Also, told the scientists to not uses chakra attacks on momo

 

[fandom_100th_Hokage]

Well, Madara did say his Perfect Susano'o rivals the Bijuu, after all. So High 6-A Kurama doesn't seem that out of the question.

What makes this even more plausible is webcam parrots calc of multi continental bijuu.

 

[PowerToScale]

Well, Madara did say his Perfect Susano'o rivals the Bijuu, after all. So High 6-A Kurama doesn't seem that out of the question.

What makes this even more plausible is webcam parrots calc of multi continental bijuu.

Do you know where to find these calcs

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Well, Madara did say his Perfect Susano'o rivals the Bijuu, after all. So High 6-A Kurama doesn't seem that out of the question. That could also make Low 5-B Juubi consistent.

Exactly. Also, Kurama Avatar is half kurama + Naruto who's comparable to him in SM lol

 

[fandom_100th_Hokage]

What makes this even more plausible is webcam parrots calc of multi continental bijuu.
Do you know where to find these calcs

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Webcamparrot/Naruto_and_Killer_B_Biju_Dama

 

[LordTracer]

Pretty sure Parrot's calc was rejected though, and not for outlier reasons, so that can't be used.

But there's supposedly a multi-continental Madara calc, and Madara should scale to Kurama.

 

[Padaruyos]

Hot damn, if half Kurama is already High 6-A by itself than why the heck is SPSM Naruto is only 5-C?

 

[Battler356ushiromiya]

5 kages were beating momo and kin lol and you guys now might also say those kages are also tier 4 then

 

[fandom_100th_Hokage]

Pretty sure Parrot's calc was rejected though, and not for outlier reasons, so that can't be used.

But there's supposedly a multi-continental Madara calc, and Madara should scale to Kurama.

Didn't parrot rebuttal all concerns?

 

[AstralKing7]

This is why no one likes you Battler^

 

[Damage3245]

This thread is getting close to the post limit.

Since we're past the point of proposals and waiting for more information to be gathered, I think that this thread should be closed.

If you want to discuss the series more, take it to the Naruto general thread.

 

[fandom_100th_Hokage]

This thread is getting close to the post limit.

Since we're past the point of proposals and waiting for more information to be gathered, I think that this thread should be closed.

If you want to discuss the series more, take it to the Naruto general thread.

Kl go a head I'll start a part 2 on this thread later, with more refined points.