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Momoshiki Upgrade.
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Since it's like no one likes paying attention to points already addressed, here's a thorough emphasis on the points I debunked;
Why do people keep ignoring the novel stated Momoshiki destroyed the star in replace for unfounded conjectures?
Momoshiki went to a planet, harvested their chakra, destroyed their star which killed everyone. Then, he used their chakra to create god-trees which formed chakra fruits.
The sun wasn't dying following it was at the end of its life span, because that make the earth uninhabitable, by extension, there would be no life. Momoshiki needs those of whom he collects their chakra to be alive.
Synchrotron radiation has no destructive properties. A dying sun won't be destroy the earth. At best, the earth would be reduced to Venus. The earth on that unknown world was clearly destroyed, thus the sun wasn't dying as a result of depleting its Hydrogen reserves or speeding up its nuclear fusion aka meeting the end of its lifespan.
The other argument the novel isn't canon has been addressed here; vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Board:General_Discussion
Before someone says "you can't equate the consequences of the sun dying to that of the unknown world"
...despite the unknown world star was called the sun, the planet was called earth, the characteristic nature of the Otsutsuki is to traverse into parallel worlds as that of Narutoverse solar-system. That explains to an extent, why the unknown world had a sun, and a earth because it's a parallel world to Narutoverse solar-system.
Why do people keep ignoring the novel stated Momoshiki destroyed the star in replace for unfounded conjectures?
Momoshiki went to a planet, harvested their chakra, destroyed their star which killed everyone. Then, he used their chakra to create god-trees which formed chakra fruits.
The sun wasn't dying following it was at the end of its life span, because that make the earth uninhabitable, by extension, there would be no life. Momoshiki needs those of whom he collects their chakra to be alive.
Synchrotron radiation has no destructive properties. A dying sun won't be destroy the earth. At best, the earth would be reduced to Venus. The earth on that unknown world was clearly destroyed, thus the sun wasn't dying as a result of depleting its Hydrogen reserves or speeding up its nuclear fusion aka meeting the end of its lifespan.
The other argument the novel isn't canon has been addressed here; vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Board:General_Discussion
Before someone says "you can't equate the consequences of the sun dying to that of the unknown world"
...despite the unknown world star was called the sun, the planet was called earth, the characteristic nature of the Otsutsuki is to traverse into parallel worlds as that of Narutoverse solar-system. That explains to an extent, why the unknown world had a sun, and a earth because it's a parallel world to Narutoverse solar-system.
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Except outright destroying the sun would also cause the earth to be unihabitable, a dying sun and the release of radiation both imply that the sun was at the end of its life span.Devoyant said:
You're equating Earth destroyed = Planet bust, which isn't necessarily true in this case, the earth being destroyed is referring to its surface being scorched by the radiation, as we saw in the anime clip the planet is still very much there, just with nothing but trees on the planet surface.
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Here's something you should know;TataHakai said:
A star doesn't completely get destroyed after it is exploded. During aftermath of its explosion, the star is considered to be dying.
It's not mandatory a star is only dying when it reaches the end of its lifespan. A star after it has been exploded is also dying.. but this time as a neutron star.
Furthermore, Boruto novelization stated Momoshiki was going to destroy a star. If we ignore the fact it's not canon (which isn't really the case considering it was Ukyō Kodachi who wrote the novel, and movie didn't add that event due to Yamashita's influence) the feat at hand is proven to be true.
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i dont believe we can use this imo when i first read the scans when they were posted. we have a lack of evidence tbh. We dont know when the sun started dying or how. If there is something to save here it may be the fact that we can give Momoshiki radiation manipulation and resistance to it since others agreed thats what he did using the sun i agree
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The seas and the entire atmosphere was vapourised giving it large planet level power(5-A) as calced here:https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kepekley23/MCU:_Worrisome_Worldwide_Wipe
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...large planet huh..not bad not bad at all, this is consistent with Kaguya and with Momoshiki scaling to her and his fused form proven to be stronger than her
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And vaporisation would be above that.TataHakai said:
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could that vaporization be used for this?? Also what about the radiation manipulation
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No it wouldn't. Apples and oranges.
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I guess I could try calcing it myself. As we know the only thing unaffected was the continental crust. The entire atmosphere and all the water has been stripped off the planet.Kepekley23 said:
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What you believe momoshiki is stronger than Kaguya??AstralKing7 said:
nerfed naruto and sasuke were beating him, remember 50% chakra from naruto was stolen, and sasuke was nerfed because he took all kages to the dimension with his rinnegan.
on top of that a kid with a rasengan (boruto) managed to kill momoshiki.
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Did you miss where he was absorbing energy beyond the parallel dimension (which is confirmed to have a star in it).TataHakai said:
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Yes.Janes3433 said:
Nerfed Naruto and Sasuke who are much much older and most likely much stronger than teenage Naruto and Sasuke.
Yeah a rasengan that was powered by Naruto/
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That's the point am trying to make. The earth was destroyed after the sun exploded.TataHakai said:
That can only happen after he had harvested chakra. In fact, the novel mentioned he destroyed the sun when he had harvested its inhabitants chakra.
"a dying sun and the release of radiation both imply that the sun was at the end of its life span."
The novel was specific about the radiation the sun emitted. It was synchrotron radiation when is liberated after a supernova. Reference; the original post of this thread.
"as we saw in the anime clip the planet is still very much there, just with nothing but trees on the planet surface."
Yeah no. There was no sign of curvature. There was no atmosphere. The upper part of the planets was filled with countless space rubles. Ergo, the earth was destroyed, or busted, whichever.
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Momoshiki choked kurama almost to death if sasuke did use his susanno to help. Sasuke was also not nerfed. The fact that he can make so many portals and the fact that he made one to get them out of that dimension is just a misconception. He made one to Kaguya ice dimension, one of of it, one to Momoshiki's dimension and one from it. Momo has been stated stronger in all works.
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we dont need to derail
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None of which moves him beyond 5-B
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"The upper part of the planets was filled with countless space rubles. Ergo, the earth was destroyed, or busted, whichever."]
Yeah this too. The planet was in ruins and you saw bits of it in the air. It's gravity was also messed up.
Yeah this too. The planet was in ruins and you saw bits of it in the air. It's gravity was also messed up.
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Actually it could because as noted the entire atmousphere was stripped away.Golden Void said:
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Now we know it took both Hagoromo and Hamura against Prime Kaguya months to seal her.AstralKing7 said:
Naruto and Sasuke defeated fused Momoshiki in 30 minutes.
If Momoshiki is truly stronger than Kaguya, then the battle between Momoshiki and Naruto and Sasuke should also lasted months, bu no the battled ended in 30 minutes and a kid with a ******* rasengan managed to kill Momoshiki and this clearly proofs that Momoshiki is weaker than Kaguya.
Naruto and Sasuke are also not stronger than Hagoromo and Hamura and even Hagoromo and Hamura could not kill Kaguya, because she is immortal they could only seal her and it took them months( it say months more than 1 months, so it could be 2 months or 4).
The only treat greater than Kaguya is the Otsutsuki clan leader who is operating the clan.
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^ we saw that rubble in the episode as well
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Vaporizing the atmosphere is a High 6-A feat best case scenario without further information
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Furthermore, Boruto novelization stated Momoshiki was going to destroy a star. If we ignore the fact it's not canon (which isn't really the case considering it was Ukyō Kodachi who wrote the novel, and movie didn't add that event due to Yamashita's influence) the feat at hand is proven to be true.
Actually it stated he was going to absorb the star's energy if i remember correctly, even then it was referring to a planet not a star.
No. Sasuke stated there will be destruction.
And Sasuke couldn't at being referring to a planet because Sasuke stated;
"This was a question of whether mankind who lived on this star would be able to greet tomorrow"
He couldn't had been saying; "This was a question of whether mankind who lived on this planet would be able to greet tomorrow"
Because there was no one living on the planet he was on. The planet was dead. The sentence; "mankind who lived on this star" is referring to those who uses the star as a sustainance, and fact mankind are living in the planets around it.
Actually it stated he was going to absorb the star's energy if i remember correctly, even then it was referring to a planet not a star.
No. Sasuke stated there will be destruction.
And Sasuke couldn't at being referring to a planet because Sasuke stated;
"This was a question of whether mankind who lived on this star would be able to greet tomorrow"
He couldn't had been saying; "This was a question of whether mankind who lived on this planet would be able to greet tomorrow"
Because there was no one living on the planet he was on. The planet was dead. The sentence; "mankind who lived on this star" is referring to those who uses the star as a sustainance, and fact mankind are living in the planets around it.
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I seriously want to know what the actual crap you are talking about. This is annoying.Janes3433 said:
Naruto and Sasuke are not their teenage selves any more and are likely much stronger now from years of training.
It does not matter how long it took them to beat her.
For all we know they could be stronger than hagoromo individually (we just hant have evidence enough of it). Momoshiki in story has been stated to be stronger than Kaguya no matter how much you disagree. Never was it said that Hagoromo and Hamura to months to defeat Kaguya. Just that it was a hard battle.
Yeah in story that is wfault you can not rewrite the story just so that it fits your narrative.
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Yeah no. There was no sign of curvature. There was no atmosphere. The upper part of the planets was filled with countless space rubles. Ergo, the earth was destroyed, or busted, whichever.
Yes which would be like High 6-A, if the planet had been busted it wouldn't be together it would be floating in hundreds of pieces in outer space, that's literally what it means to "bust" a planet and that's our baseline for 5-B
"That's the point am trying to make. The earth was destroyed after the sun exploded"
And how would this move him to 4-C or even 5-A? I'm not disagreeing with you that the earth was surface wiped by the radiation released by the exploding sun, there's just no feat here to calc since the exploding sun is just likely a Star going Supernova.
Yes which would be like High 6-A, if the planet had been busted it wouldn't be together it would be floating in hundreds of pieces in outer space, that's literally what it means to "bust" a planet and that's our baseline for 5-B
"That's the point am trying to make. The earth was destroyed after the sun exploded"
And how would this move him to 4-C or even 5-A? I'm not disagreeing with you that the earth was surface wiped by the radiation released by the exploding sun, there's just no feat here to calc since the exploding sun is just likely a Star going Supernova.
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Calm down
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someone said Momo should have radiation manipulation, should he? I agree with it
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Lmao,Rocker1189 said:
it is been Never stated Momoshiki is stronger than Kaguya,
You guys thinks that, beacuse Sasuke said there is a treat greater than Kaguya and you think it is Momoshiki?
That white zetsu army was for the entire O
tsutsuki clan not just momoshiki and kinshiki.
even in the game itself sasuke says that momoshiki is weaker than Kaguya
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The game isn't canon
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Yes that is called a taunt, and ofcourse he meant momoshiki, when he was talkign about the big threat he literally meant momoshiki himself. It really does not matter how you want to twist the words of the anime and manga it is what it is. Dont use a game that is clearly non canon to fit your point.Janes3433 said:Lmao,
it is been Never stated Momoshiki is stronger than Kaguya,
You guys thinks that, beacuse Sasuke said there is a treat greater than Kaguya and you think it is Momoshiki?
That white zetsu army was for the entire O
tsutsuki clan not just momoshiki and kinshiki.
even in the game itself sasuke says that momoshiki is weaker than Kaguya
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bruh make a CRT or something to downgrade Momo's ap, cause your derailing and its not needed here. Also good job bringing non canon sources
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What has that got to do with anything what you posted literally means nothing and as people have said stop derailing this is about Momoshiki not Kaguya.Janes3433 said:then again after the fight sasuke says there are more otsutsuki clan members kaguya was preparing for.
and boruto says ? WHAT there are more of them???
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