Mogura vs Tchalla

[Schnee_One]

Requested by Iapitus, another Medaka vs Marvel match.

Speed is Equal, 8A for both.

Mogura Kugurugi:

Black Panther:

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

So... how does he get around Nothing?

 

[Schnee_One]

Good Question

How does she get around mindhax with a snap?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Depends. Would you call that kind of hax any kind of malicious action or confrontation?

 

[Schnee_One]

In some cases, yes. In this case. Likely not no.

BP doesn't use mindhax daggers as a way of Mallavious intent, but rather to calm the situation (Unlike say, Psylocke)

 

[Schnee_One]

Also

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...d_powers_from_all_his_appearances_(literally)

^Good ass read right here

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

This is a good match then. It takes a snap to set up the daggers?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Kugurugi is gonna be one of those interesting characters where being bloodlusted is gonna hurt your odds against her lol

 

[Schnee_One]

Thank you!

I think so yes, Although I'll get Hues just so I can be sure

 

[Davidliteral]

But I might as well vote for Black Panther via sleeping gas and CQC intelligence.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Sleeping gas can be considered an act of confrontation, unless he does it with the intention to calm the situation, not defeat or incapacitate her

 

[Davidliteral]

He won't immediately use sleeping gas but CQC intelligence first. Also Mogura is rambling about her power she in-character gives her information about her skill (to kumagawa) literally.

He attack her  She nullify his attacks and rambling her power  He make a plan  He attempt to attack her again  She gets cocky then nullify his attempts  He uses invisibility lets her thinks it's teleportation  sleeping gas/fart  incap + cat scratch  profit

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

That is true, but that is partly due to them already knowing how styles work and one of them has an analysis ability, so they were gonna figure it out any way, and the other part is from necessity. Many of her commands must be vocalized for them to function, but Nothing is not one of them. She ran her mouth more to throw existence erasure back in Kumagawa's face

Also, does Black Panther speak Japanese? If he does, and he hears her speaking Japanese, then he should be able to deduce her powers regardless since he is a smart dude. I'm just being realisitic here, because if he does speak Japanese then he should be able to deduce it, if he doesn't, then it is gonna seem random as hell.

Also, again, if he uses it to confront her or work against her, then it is gonna get erased

 

[Schnee_One]

Panther does speak Japanese

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Knowing black panther, I kinda expected that lol

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I think I just thought of a good match. Who was that one guy from seven deadly sins who nullifies all people who have hatred in their heart? He fought against the sun dude

Edit: Now I remember, Estarossa

 

[KarmodF]

I mean how does Mogura acts? If she acts like a Teen that just want to fight, T'Challa would prefer to calm her down instead of going full murder intent (Considering thats Malicious) he doesnt fight with an evil/malicious temper afaik.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I don't know exactly how old she is. I would guess somewhere between 16 and 19, but I'm not sure. She tends to joke around more playful like if she is convinced that he foe is not a threat, but usually she is more than willing to maim and kill just judging from the nature of the jet black wedding.

 

[Huesito88]

Bp teleports eventually, then does a pressure point then he says

Omae wa mou shindeiru

or

Bp teleports eventually, then phases his daggers/soul spear through her body

or instead of teleporting he goes invisible and does the above.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Both of those get erased from existence. Nothing's erasure is automatic

 

[Huesito88]

No it won't as he creates his daggers as he is close enough to her body, so even if it gets erased out of existence the moment it existed, it still did exist for only a moment in her body, which will still instant kill her.

 

[Davidliteral]

Then how his attack reflection would work on her?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

No it won't as he creates his daggers as he is close enough to her body, so even if it gets erased out of existence the moment it existed, it still did exist for only a moment in her body, which will still instant kill her.

You seem to have missed the fact that her Nothing ability is both automatic and retroactive. So not only do they get automatically erased, the attack never existed to begin with.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Then how his attack reflection would work on her?

I'm not sure I properly understand the question. How does his attack reflection work?

 

[Huesito88]

You seem to have missed the fact that her Nothing ability is both automatic and retroactive. So not only do they get automatically erased, the attack never existed to begin with.

No I didn't, in order for the abilite to react the attack needs to existed for even moment even if it's passive which would still exist for a extremely small time, but it still did before getting erased from existence.

 

[Schnee_One]

You hit him

It reflects

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

No I didn't, in order for the abilite to react the attack needs to existed for even moment even if it's passive which would still exist for a extremely small time, but it still did before getting erased from existence.

If you look at the scans, the attacks also get erased before they even land.

 

[Huesito88]

If you look at the scans, the attacks also get erased before they even land.

Yes but it still existed that's the point, it just got deleted basically instantly as soon as it was created.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

You hit him
It reflects

Aright, so judging from that, she will probably either use her Combine Everything and get a good old blow back in her face. Not enough to kill, but enough to do damage. However, she won't do that agin obviosuly. Or, she uses her screw drivers and get a few of those to the face, but again is not enough to kill and she won't do it again

That will probably force her to use her non-physical abilities

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Yes but it still existed that's the point, it just got deleted basically instantly as soon as it was created.

So what's your point? he spawns some daggers, and goes to use them, but then he didn't spawn the daggers. Nothing functions similar to All Fiction, so I don't see the issue.

 

[Huesito88]

So what's your point? he spawns some daggers, and goes to use them, but then he didn't spawn the daggers. Nothing functions similar to All Fiction, so I don't see the issue.

No he spawns his daggers or spear into her body.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Yeah, how Nothing works is like this:

1) He spawns the daggers in her body

2) No he didn't

 

[Huesito88]

But it did it just gets deleted as soon as it came into existence so it still kills her.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

It erases retroactively. When the daggers spawn inside her, they never existed to begin with and where never spawned.

I recommend you go look at the Kumagawa page and you may understand this a bit better.

 

[Huesito88]

It erases retroactively, yeah I get that, but it still needed to exist for it to be erased it just gets existence erased into nothing as soon as it spawns into her body, but kills her via it existing in that very instant.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Perhaps it would be better to think of it as either resurection or change nullification. Even if he did spawn the screw, Nothing makes it so there is no change as a result of it at all. Essentially there is no consequence for it taking place

Think of it like this. I stab you with the sword and you die, but then the sword is erased and all consequences of that sword existing are negated. Whether the sword existed or not does not matter, because the actions used with the sword have no consequences. Its a similar case to "does a tree that falls alone in the forest make a sound?" The sword may have needed to exist at one point to be erased, but it makes no difference because anything it may or may not have done no longer have any change on what happens next in the battle

 

[Huesito88]

Alright then better question how will Mogura interact with souls =P

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I mean, existence erasure includes souls so...

 

[Davidliteral]

Afaik Kumagawa never shown to interact with souls in the manga.

Erase the concept of soul, all living beings self destruct including him.

 

[Huesito88]

I mean, existence erasure includes souls so...

Souls aren't a concept in Medaka....