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(MOD needed) Jinwoo major ability additions
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This doesn’t tell me much ngl. Also there are a few new abilities. Such as AE. Rewording for death manip & hgr. Plus changed type 8 into type 9 immortality. That phoenks didn’t really respond to. So I kinda need those addressed as well
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Choice of scans and wording still sucks so I can't address it. Telling ya, really should've waited for me man.
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it doesn’t suck besides like the hgr. They are peak. I added like one sentence to the death manip section. AE should be clear with the statement about the concept of death.
Immortality type 9 can be reworded but the explanation should be fine.
Also it will take you months to finish at this rate
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Seriously, let those new abilities be in different thread bro, you made the thread even more complicated than before lol
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I only added 2 abilities. basically one.
Since I just replaced immortality type 8 with 9. Only thing I added was abstract existence cause I thought it was already on the profile.
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Do you have voting rights or no
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Reds do have voting rights
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Then I should only need his vote i think.since actually spaceman is just waiting for others,and fine point just needs to clarify
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My opinion is the same as before for abilities that was alreay posted in the day one of the thread
I will look over new one when i have time
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When you have time, look also at my transmutation point that Phoenks didn't answer.
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Just want to clarify that magic power kills the soul & body as long as it isn’t on life support ->which makes the (already dead) soul start to travel to the afterlife->the soul is destroyed on the way there->reach your true soul & finally reach the afterlife
So I was arguing that the soul had to die before it went to the afterlife.
And it isn’t that the soul goes to the afterlife and then dies (which is also possible since dead things can still die) such as ammut.
About the shadow monarchs death manip though.
His power works by controlling death itself as his power is literally the power of death.. So it is literally dying due to touching the concept of death because no one can contain death which should be death manip. For example
Madness manip.
The shadow monarch is terror itself as well.
So upon sensing it, you literally have all other emotions wiped clean and only terror is left as you become insane.which is literally the definition of madness manip.
His very nature of being terror is what they sense and leads to insanity.
This doesn’t really fit the definition of mind manipulation and fear manipulation as much.
For transmutation. Is this additional context enough? Or do you have suggestions for other abilities
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Both
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What does hgr stand for?
I think that Death Manipulation generally shouldn't be given if it's really indirect, like putting them into a coma which eventually kills them.
Could you re-summarize the reasons for changing it from 8 to 9? I'm leaning towards the context suggesting that's not accurate.
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high godly resurrection in this case.
yeah i think that part is shaky especially when you consider that by the verses own mechanics eternal sleep is treated as just a disease, the the elixir of life works on it too. and that was only stated to cure diseases not resurrect ppl from death. and while yes eternal sleep sends its victims souls over to the afterlife (making them practically dead) i think thats more so soul BFR rather than death manipulation since the victim is still technically considered alive and their body still functions on life support.
i think soul manip is fine for it imo, idk about death manip tho.
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It is actually soul destruction as already explained in this thread from page 1
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Based on the Type 8 Immortality?
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no we're talking about the eternal sleep disease granting death manip not the soul manip + EE the monarchs would have
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If you reread the first page, Phoenks already explained why eternal sleep disease cause soul destruction, since you don't accept as death manip even tho, the result is literally death without those life machines
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type 8 was removed from the OP, it's for another reason entirely. its basically ashborn (original shadow monarch) reviving himself after being killed by his own brethren & since he's a ruler that would mean resurrecting himself from the destruction of his true soul (when monarchs & rulers die, their true souls, which is the essence of their very being gets destroyed in the process) and if we accept the AE for rulers & monarchs, that would mean ressurecting from the destruction of the concept that he embodies as a ruler.
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How do we know their 'true soul' is actually conceptual, and not just a stronger version of a normal soul?
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well like i said if we accept the AE type 1 for rulers & monarchs, their true soul would be conceptual. considering the laws that they embody is apart of them.
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I don't know. They always seemed genuinely concerned about dying from normal combat to me.
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well this would be exclusive to just the shadow monarch. since only he was capable of the feat not the others.
infact he's the only one considered truly immortal in the verse probably because of this.
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I see. I wouldn't be entirely opposed, but I haven't actually read Ragnarok myself so I'm missing some context.
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In this case it comes from no one being able to withstand the concept of death and just instantly dying when touched (see my comment above
basically when a ruler or momarch dies,their very existence is anhilated. With said existence embodying a concept. So essentially the conceptual form is erased. And the shadow monarch is able to resurrect from that state. Of having their conceptual self erased
- Abstract Existence (Concept [Type 1] - Monarch's are the primordial darkness itself. Born from gods will they Embody a Law that upholds the world, such as the Law of Destruction for Antares,the law of creation for the world tree which is the fundamental principle that sustains all existence , and the concept of death for Sung Jin Woo)
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Completety forgot about this thread, well, got, swamped with requests and busy with real life work, i will try to evaluate the rest, but probably you should also ask other staffs too in the meantime
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I asked 18 mods (also your my best chance at this point)
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Also I am not in a rush. As long as it is within 1-2 weeks
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Death Manip is fine then, though look he need to need the debuff: Death and need to touch people too
This just make people scare the shit out of their pant, though, kind of those terrors, so this is just somr fear-inducing aura, or social influencing thing, you could blow it up to fear hax, but i didn't see anything indicated madness hax
Yeah no, i don't see transmutation, some weird ability i guess, sound like some kind of body control or unexplained ability, like really need a deeper contexts for this
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The victim stay in terror even for a very long period of time and no emotion is left besides terror which is omnipresent.
It's madness manip type 3 cognition, it's literally self explanatory.
Also for transmutation
Magic manipulation, Soul manipulation, transmutation, soul erasure, death manipulation
Jin-Woo became very familiar with Demonic Spirit sorcery. Even his own sentient illusion with a minute amount of power could create quests for Suho by mixing the powers of Shadow Storage level 2 with Demonic Spirit magic. He could augment the sorcery of Javier to the point that it was perfected. He could also reverse engineer Javier's magic to turn his illusion into an avatar linked to his real consciousness. He turned Javier's corrupted soul into a soulstone that kept Suho alive in Antares' Domain and stabilized Woo Jinchul's body. He could link Ammut's soul with his NPC body by using Kandiaru's magic circles. He could create a black beam capable of destroying souls that leads to the Sea of the Afterlife)
Him turned a corrupted soul into a soul stone to use is textbook of transmutation no ?
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Yeah, I agree with this. It looks more like NEP 1 than NEP 2.
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Nothingness beyond the concept of nothingness is NOT Nep 1
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The xavier soul thing should be yes its turning a being into a inanimate object
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bump. this still needs input
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bump, also small note, the res shouldnt really be "Higher-Degree of high-Godly" it should just be baseline, cus where that comes from is the "true soul" which ressing from that is a higher degree mid godly. if you add it in the abstract & concept stuff then it just becomes baseline high godly, that higher degree wont scale (i dont even think it can be a thing tbh)
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I don’t see why. Because it would still outscale the conceptual stuff
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unless the true soul itself has some sort of special "true concept" i dont think it would, cus the true soul by itself at best just has a regular concept there was never stated to be higher more abstract concepts that come with it. and even if it did, ressing from that would still be baseline, because high-godly doesnt work by how high the fundamental part is in a hierarchy, i never seen someone get "higher degree of high godly" because he regened from a superior concept etc, the same way ppl that regen from a type 2 concept destruction arent really different to ppl who regen from type 1 in terms of regen potency.
